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Re: Smart GM's buy low and sell high 

Post#21 » by The_Hater » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:11 pm

DerrickRose23 wrote:I also like the thought of trading a pick like ours this year and turning it into a Tyrus Thomas a top draft pick last year. Good teams are able to exploit struggles of players like Thomas/Morrison and turn it into a big gain for them..

If the raps indeed want to sell Bargnani they have to rebuild his value in the league somehow.. I think a Kapono for Morrison Trade or a Draft pick for Morrison or Moon for Morrison Trade would be a smart trade to make


I completely agree with your premise. That said, I wouldn't trade Moon for Morrison.

The only thing on a basketball court that Morrison can potentially do better than Moon, is score. And as rookies Moon even does that better than AM did last season. Everything else. Rebound, speed and athletism, hustle, strength, guard multiple positions, team defense, individual defense, limit turnovers. Favours Moon now and into the future. And looking at Morrison he was an awful scorer his rookie season. A high volume shooter and a low volume finisher. Even if he becomes an above average scorer, most of his weaknesses are going to hurt him from getting the minutes he needs to do what he does best.

Then when you consider things like where they fit on this team? (Moon is our most valuable defensive player and helps our weak rebounding. Morrison is like a smaller version of Bargs so having two of them out there together trying to rebound and defend wouldn't work well). Salary. (Moon makes peanuts, Morrison is already overpaid on the rookie scale). Health (Morrison is out for the season in only his 2nd year). Honestly, Morrison didn't do a single thing well as a rookie. It was a Hoffa like opening. I honestly think that trading Moon for Morrison would be the wrong move.

Tyrus Thomas is a different story IMO. He's younger than Morrison and as a rookie at least he showed potential solid as a rebounder, shot-blocker and some ablility to finish around the basket. (all he per-minute stats were strong in those areas). Plus he's a great athlete. You can teach skill but you can't teach athleticism. Morrison will always physically slow and pysically weak. Not too many SF's with that description ever become much more than role players.
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Post#22 » by bling_singh » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:15 pm

disoblige wrote:#1 rule in stock market 101. everyone knows this


And Bryan Colangelo worked Wall Street before he became a basketball exec
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Post#23 » by T.Duncan21 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:16 pm

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We have that guy...now all we (the fans) need is patience.
I totally agree but it gets annoying when people keep thinkin that he's perfect and makes no mistakes. The guy screwed up the draft... but whatever, I believe that he'll do something to make up for it in the end. He's only been here for 1.5 years. He's been good and bad for far but in the end... I feel that he'll have a lot more good moments than bad ones.
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Post#24 » by JN » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:17 pm

People say this and yet at the end of the day have little clue what it means in application.

Just because something stinks right now, does not mean it is at its low... hell it can be at its high. Just because one's value has dropped alot does not mean it is at its low... it can still be at its high.

Until one's value is ZERO, this statement will be completely misapplied by wannabe GM's and stock gamblers/
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Post#25 » by T.Duncan21 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:25 pm

JN wrote:People say this and yet at the end of the day have little clue what it means in application.

Just because something stinks right now, does not mean it is at its low... hell it can be at its high. Just because one's value has dropped alot does not mean it is at its low... it can still be at its high.

Until one's value is ZERO, this statement will be completely misapplied by wannabe GM's and stock gamblers/
Don't think u understand the meaning. When a player or stocks value has dropped from where it use to be... then the player/stock could be had for cheaper than what they would normally pay IF they think it's going to go back to where it was. For example, when Vince Carter was in his prime in Toronto... u would practically have to trade a top 5 player to get him out of Toronto. Then a bunch of injuries, losing, whining takes place and his value drops significantly... Now u can have that same asset for Eric/Aaron Williams, Zo's contract and 2 late draft picks. After the trade, he becomes the Vince of old and practically carries the team alongside Kidd into the playoffs and all of a sudden, his value has skyrocketed once again. So in the end, u got more for what u gave up. Then it's up to the same GM to either keep him in hopes he can keep up his play or maybe even increase his production, which tends to happen when people get greedy. Now the player has somewhat reverted back to what he use to be and his value has dropped so u hear rumors like Randolph for Vince... Jermaine for Vince. I think u get the point.
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Post#26 » by stash » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:35 pm

Smart GM's find inexpensive talent...Not sell high!! sell high would be find talent, wait untill it develops into good NBA talent, then trade it for assets. We would have to trade Parker, Delfino, Moon etc.

Smart GM's find talent at low costs so they can have more options and stay under the cap.
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Post#27 » by T.Duncan21 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:45 pm

stash wrote:Smart GM's find inexpensive talent...Not sell high!! sell high would be find talent, wait untill it develops into good NBA talent, then trade it for assets. We would have to trade Parker, Delfino, Moon etc.

Smart GM's find talent at low costs so they can have more options and stay under the cap.
So you're telling me that NJ when acquiring Vince Carter as his low point and then trading him in the offseason when he had that crazy year wouldn't be following the 'Buy Low, Sell High' motto? It's very very hard to live by this motto because people tend to get greedy and always think they can get more or something better than what they have when it comes to anything in life, whether it be girls/money/etc. You're not gonna be right all the time but in order to be considered good/smart... u need to be right more often than not.
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Post#28 » by raptorscam » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:57 pm

T.Duncan21 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So you're telling me that NJ when acquiring Vince Carter as his low point and then trading him in the offseason when he had that crazy year wouldn't be following the 'Buy Low, Sell High' motto? It's very very hard to live by this motto because people tend to get greedy and always think they can get more or something better than what they have when it comes to anything in life, whether it be girls/money/etc. You're not gonna be right all the time but in order to be considered good/smart... u need to be right more often than not.


I would agree that if you can make these deals with the benefit of hindsight, it is clearly the way to go.

In the real world you have to make the smartest decision and that means getting good value, not getting guys on the way down and hoping you found the 1-in-15 who suddenly returns to form for you.
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Post#29 » by T.Duncan21 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:25 pm

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I would agree that if you can make these deals with the benefit of hindsight, it is clearly the way to go.

In the real world you have to make the smartest decision and that means getting good value, not getting guys on the way down and hoping you found the 1-in-15 who suddenly returns to form for you.
I'll just give u a couple of names that fall into the criteria that I'm talking about. Bibby and Jermaine O'Neal... They might look like they were done but just watch... in a couple of years they'll be productive once again. The same people who hated on Paul Peirce and Ray Allen for being losers are the same people who are licking their balls in how good they've been this year. It's not really hindsight... just takes a little looking away from the present and to the future and not get sucked into thinkin that a person will the same person in 2 years time. Of course, I'm not gonna act like I'm god here and think I know everything cause I honestly thought that Kwame Brown was about to break out when joining the Lakers lol. You're never gonna be perfect and will make some mistakes. Like I said... just make sure ur right more often than being wrong and people will easily forget the times u were wrong.
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Post#30 » by SpaceJam » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:33 pm

I would like to see someone like Adam here, but I would want to see him come off bench. It seems like he isnt really needed in Charlotte as Gerald Wallace is the franchise player there and is playing like the all-star he is. I wouldnt trade Jamario as we would be loosing big time on the defensive end, but i could see Adam playing very well in our system. Jose and TJ can find him and he can score easily. He would probabley take Andrea's role so then we could focus on Bargs being accustomed to play inside the perimeter. At his point we need someone to score consistantly next to Chris. Seems like a BC type player, but Id rather want to see a slasher like Travis Outlaw or Dorell Wright.
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Post#31 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:43 pm

bring back pj tucker now!! :D:D
j/k....som1 mentioned aaron gray and i thought to myself id rather have pj tucker than aaron gray...:D

anyways,

i would never trade a POOR POOR POOR man's version of rip hamilton (cuz morrison shoot mid-range and drives, not well...but he plays somewhat of the same styyle) for a guy that has carried us to play good defense.

moon has been a complete monster this year and withouthim we'd be an even worse defensive team. can morrison rebound? no

is he athletic? no

is he a good defender? NO WAY, he is worse than kapono at defending

what does morrison give us that we dont already have? a young version of carlos delfino but uglier...and more of a midrange shooter than a 3 pt shooter. but with worse defense.

never will BC trade moon for morrison or the like.
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Post#32 » by stash » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:14 am

So you're telling me that NJ when acquiring Vince Carter as his low point and then trading him in the offseason when he had that crazy year wouldn't be following the 'Buy Low, Sell High' motto? It's very very hard to live by this motto because people tend to get greedy and always think they can get more or something better than what they have when it comes to anything in life, whether it be girls/money/etc. You're not gonna be right all the time but in order to be considered good/smart... u need to be right more often than not.


Your point kind of agrees with mine, I don't really agree with the buy low sell high theory and niether do you...
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Post#33 » by RomaniaLuvTR » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:28 am

T.Duncan21 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I totally agree but it gets annoying when people keep thinkin that he's perfect and makes no mistakes. The guy screwed up the draft... but whatever, I believe that he'll do something to make up for it in the end. He's only been here for 1.5 years. He's been good and bad for far but in the end... I feel that he'll have a lot more good moments than bad ones.
why did he screwed the draft?for not selecting roy??who had roy at number 1?no one..tyrus thomas??alridge??come on the only guy he could have drafted was gay who fall to 8th..Bargs is bad right now but come on he`s not a bust and u will see that soon..as for being perfect no one in this world is perfect so drop it
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Post#34 » by NH » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:35 am

Why try to get Adam Morrison, we already have the 7ft version of him in Bargnani. Raptors need to stop going for bit players and get another star. Lets dream big!

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