Amare tradeable? For, possibly, Bosh? read on...
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LLJ
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Well, KingClutch, I have always felt Amare to be overrated, and if some people here remember, I was saying Amare was overrated even in that year he was putting up about 28 ppg and consistently dropping 40 on Tim Duncan in the Conference Finals.
I don't think Amare has actually improved in any aspect of his game other than scoring, and even THAT has declined due to his injuries. He used to be like a gigantic Flash--dump the ball to him and suddenly it's dunked on the opposition's basket. Now it still happens, but less frequently, and his other moves can't make up the difference.
I don't think Amare has improved his passing, rebounding or defence since his rookie year. He has had a very similar career trajector, so far, as Vince Carter's. Riding off enormous hops for his first 2 years but actually improving very little over his career in a basketball sense.
I don't think Bosh is as naturally talented as Amare but Bosh has usually shown us some new things he's learned every year. This year I think many can agree his defence is better than it was the past 3-4 years. He's a better passer than he used to be, and he's got a few new wrinkles in his offensive game.
The only noticeable decline this year is his rebounding, but given his steady improvement from year 1 to year 5, I think we could still consider this a down year on the boards due to his early season health.
I don't think Amare has actually improved in any aspect of his game other than scoring, and even THAT has declined due to his injuries. He used to be like a gigantic Flash--dump the ball to him and suddenly it's dunked on the opposition's basket. Now it still happens, but less frequently, and his other moves can't make up the difference.
I don't think Amare has improved his passing, rebounding or defence since his rookie year. He has had a very similar career trajector, so far, as Vince Carter's. Riding off enormous hops for his first 2 years but actually improving very little over his career in a basketball sense.
I don't think Bosh is as naturally talented as Amare but Bosh has usually shown us some new things he's learned every year. This year I think many can agree his defence is better than it was the past 3-4 years. He's a better passer than he used to be, and he's got a few new wrinkles in his offensive game.
The only noticeable decline this year is his rebounding, but given his steady improvement from year 1 to year 5, I think we could still consider this a down year on the boards due to his early season health.
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I haven't noticed much progression. Checking his stats, Amare has hovered around 8-9 rebounds for the past few years, his assist stats have been deadlocked at 1-1.5 for the past few years as well. The only noticeable leap this year I see is shotblocking where he's cracked the 2.0 mark.
Amare came in much closer to a finished product than Bosh did.
As for defence, that's a subjective thing but he's been getting lit up pretty frequently. People don't see it because Phoenix wins so much, but that doesn't erase the fact that Bosh has had his way with the Phoenix frontcourt offensively for the past two years, and hell, Al Jefferson just last night made Amare look pretty bad on a few plays.
Amare's jumpshot is OK and that has improved because every NBA player usually improves their jumper somewhat as they get older, but I wouldn't call it such a big feature in his game, and is often a baseline jumper he gets off a penetrate and dish anyway. It's not like he's throwing up fades or turnaround Js.
I don't know, I just don't see that he's such an important player for Phoenix. No doubt they are a maginally better team with him, but how good can he be when his team can still make the playoffs as a top 3 seed in the West without him?
Amare came in much closer to a finished product than Bosh did.
As for defence, that's a subjective thing but he's been getting lit up pretty frequently. People don't see it because Phoenix wins so much, but that doesn't erase the fact that Bosh has had his way with the Phoenix frontcourt offensively for the past two years, and hell, Al Jefferson just last night made Amare look pretty bad on a few plays.
Amare's jumpshot is OK and that has improved because every NBA player usually improves their jumper somewhat as they get older, but I wouldn't call it such a big feature in his game, and is often a baseline jumper he gets off a penetrate and dish anyway. It's not like he's throwing up fades or turnaround Js.
I don't know, I just don't see that he's such an important player for Phoenix. No doubt they are a maginally better team with him, but how good can he be when his team can still make the playoffs as a top 3 seed in the West without him?
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LLJ wrote:As for defence, that's a subjective thing but he's been getting lit up pretty frequently. People don't see it because Phoenix wins so much, but that doesn't erase the fact that Bosh has had his way with the Phoenix frontcourt offensively for the past two years, and hell, Al Jefferson just last night made Amare look pretty bad on a few plays.
He needs a center along side him. To expect him to anchor our defense is a joke. Duncan has a center next to him, Bosh has a center next to him, Dirk has a center next to him. Now I'm not saying he's as good as a defender as Duncan, not close, but he'd be average or slightly above average, right now he's below average, obviously.
He can't leave his feet like people expect him to and contest every single shot, when he does, who is going to rebound? They all put the blame on him. He's shorter, not as bulk as other center's in this league.
Amare's jumpshot is OK and that has improved because every NBA player usually improves their jumper somewhat as they get older, but I wouldn't call it such a big feature in his game, and is often a baseline jumper he gets off a penetrate and dish anyway. It's not like he's throwing up fades or turnaround Js.
It's better then most big men in the entire league, so it's more then just 'OK'
43% eFG compared to Bosh's 38% on the J. Duncan is at 38% as well.
And Amare shoots his jumper A LOT.
I don't know, I just don't see that he's such an important player for Phoenix. No doubt they are a maginally better team with him, but how good can he be when his team can still make the playoffs as a top 3 seed in the West without him?
We went from 62 wins to 54 wins when he was injured and lacked a threat late in games which lead to us consistently losing down the stretch because no one could pick and roll with Nash effectively.
Nash to Amare on the pick and roll is the best play in the entire league, arguably. You got the best PG in the p-n-r and the best finisher in the league.
We played average opponents in the playoffs in 05/06(LA, LAC, then Dallas) compared to 04/05 (MEM, Dallas, SA) with Amare. So to go just as far without him = "Amare isn't that much of factor to the Suns" isn't true, we weren't even built for the post season in 04/05, we played a 6 man rotation (Jimmy Jackson, with Barbosa/Hunter getting little mins)
Amare is the only way we can win a title, without him, there is no possibility.
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teamColangelo wrote: WaltFrazier wrote:So do all those saying no to this, expect to see CB outplay Amare next time they meet. To shut him down?
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No, because Nash will be running around in circles setting up Amare for dunks and clear paths to the rim, while Bosh will get the ball on the high post and have to anticipate a help defender running his way as soon as he puts the ball on the floor.
Guess what - if they matched up on equal terms, say in the all star game, Amare would still outplay him. I still remeber Sam, a year ago, saying what a rare player Amare is, his combination of spped, finesse, and power. CB has some of that, but not the power.
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tosi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Lets face it, we would dominate the paint..
I don't deny they would make a powerful pair in the paint. With Ben's contract at 15.5 million this year & two years remaining, plus Amare's contract at 13.7 million & two years remaining with a player-option year, that roughly 30 million a year for this season, and the next two seasons. Ben is 33, Amare is 25.
If Ben were 5 years younger, I would consider the pairing. Ben is making too much money, and has too few productive years left in his career, to be considered.
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