Is this our best team ever?

big_baller_shot_caller23 · Post #21 » by **big_baller_shot_caller23** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:01 pm

That 2002 team went 12-2 immediately after Vince went down with an injury and they made the playoffs by one game. I don't think its a stretch to say that they don't even make the playoffs that year with a healthy Vince. It was one of the all-time great examples of the "Ewing Theory" at work.[/quote]

they played **** teams, most had worse records than us, almost all were under .500

MoPetefor3 · Post #22 » by **MoPetefor3** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:15 pm

Indiana Jones wrote:nope, i like the old vince teams better...it was an event to watch them play and i felt they'd win every game...don't get that feeling now...

My thoughts exactly!

thecc · Post #23 » by **thecc** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:52 pm

On paper this year may be the best Raps team ever, but in reality they don't currently have any one player who can take over and dominate a game in the fourth quarter, nor do they have any tough players who can rebound well and commit hard fouls.

Stealth68 · Post #24 » by **Stealth68** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:52 pm

galeon110 wrote:The team that got us the farthest in the playoffs was the best.

The story with this team is still being written... The 2000-01 team lost 3 straight the first year in the playoffs... The next year is when they got the 47 wins and went to the 2nd round winning 3-2 against NY and then lost in 7 to Philadelphia...

This team lost to a veteran NJ team 4-2 and I think they'll be better regardless of who they face this year... I think they'll win in the 1st round for sure... This team is much better... they are already on pace for a better overall record better seeding...

thecc · Post #25 » by **thecc** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 9:58 pm

raptorscam wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That 2002 team went 12-2 immediately after Vince went down with an injury and they made the playoffs by one game. I don't think its a stretch to say that they don't even make the playoffs that year with a healthy Vince. It was one of the all-time great examples of the "Ewing Theory" at work.

The following season (2002-2003) VC missed 39 games. The Raptors went 18-25 with Vince in the lineup and 6-33 without Vince. The next season after that (2003-2004) they went 33-40 with Vince and 0-9 without him. Early in the 2004-2005 season they won their first game without Vince in the lineup after losing 20+ consecutive games that he had missed.

So much for the theory that they were better without him.

AB_21 · Post #26 » by **AB_21** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 10:37 pm

Where's James669? I need a old reference to Vancouver Grizzlies basketball and Isiah Thomas in this thread.

In all seriousness, those VC teams were so good. Vince was out of this world.

raptorscam · Post #27 » by **raptorscam** » Sun Feb 3, 2008 3:11 pm

thecc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The following season (2002-2003) VC missed 39 games. The Raptors went 18-25 with Vince in the lineup and 6-33 without Vince. The next season after that (2003-2004) they went 33-40 with Vince and 0-9 without him. Early in the 2004-2005 season they won their first game without Vince in the lineup after losing 20+ consecutive games that he had missed.

So much for the theory that they were better without him.

I was referring specifically to the suggestion that the 2002 team would have done damage in the playoffs with Carter in the lineup. Obviously in most cases you are better off with your top scorer, but that 2002 team (a different team than the one in subsequent years in terms of age, personnel, etc..) found something that worked in Carter's absence and rode that to a playoff berth. Its hard to imagine they make the playoffs without the jolt that his injury apparently provided.

Thats a lot different than saying "all of the various Raptor teams with their different collections of players were always better off if Vince was hurt", which would be an absurd suggestion, but one that you rebuffed nicely...