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Is Bryan Colangelo building the team the wrong way?

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Post#81 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Feb 9, 2008 6:17 pm

gangstaff wrote:Check my edit slappy. Regardless, I'm sure you're a real life winner...doctor, lawyer, politician? No? Big-time poster on an internet message board? You must be smarter than me. :argue:

You want to attack my thoughts on the raps or building a team, fine. We can agree to disagree. But don't tell me how stupid I am. You don't know me.


No, we don't know you. All people have to go on are your stupid comments on an internet messageboard. I really hope this is not the "real" you and that your intelligence far outstrips what you've presented for us here.
9. Similarly, IF THOU HAST SPENT the entire offseason predicting that thy team will stink, thou shalt not gloat, nor even be happy, shouldst thou turn out to be correct. Realistic analysis is fine, but be a fan first, a smug smarty-pants second.
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Post#82 » by gangstaff » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:18 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



No, we don't know you. All people have to go on are your stupid comments on an internet messageboard. I really hope this is not the "real" you and that your intelligence far outstrips what you've presented for us here.


So what was stupid? That I'm not thrilled with us sitting in neutral? Everything you've ever posted was viewed as genius? How bout this: shove off. You're still not debating anything I've posted. All you've done is name-call. So how are you smart enough to call me stupid?
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Re: Is Bryan Colangelo building the team the wrong way? 

Post#83 » by The_Hater » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:25 pm

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The relevance here for Raptors fans is that they play a style that at least echoes the Suns. They don't play at the same pace as they like to make sure Bosh gets his touches in the half-court, but they were built by Bryan Colangelo with an eye toward the efficiency of good three-point shooting and the possibilities of a diverse, skilled line-up in a period when the rules seem to favour slashing and ball movement more than simply pounding it into the post and waiting around.



The suns have given up playing the fast break basketball, and got a traditional centre. While the Raps never played as the same pace as the suns, it could be argued that Bryan is trying to build the team similar to the suns, with deadly three point shooting. Is this the wrong way to go?



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/wbbasketball


And most people think the Suns just made a huge mistake.

The thing is, we're nothing like the Suns. We play 1/2 court basketball while they get out and run.

Also, until we see the finished product you can't say the Raps are being built wrong. OBviously we're winning more games and have a lot more assets than when BC took over and those are positive things. And as myself and many others think, the current roster is just a stepping stone to as future team he hopes can contend. I'd be surprised if more than 3-4 players off the current roster are still here in 2011.
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Post#84 » by emfive » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:28 pm

gangstaff wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Check my edit slappy. Regardless, I'm sure you're a real life winner...doctor, lawyer, politician? No? Big-time poster on an internet message board? You must be smarter than me. :argue:

You want to attack my thoughts on the raps or building a team, fine. We can agree to disagree. But don't tell me how stupid I am. You don't know me.


Okay so I checked your edit. I accept your apology! 8)
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Post#85 » by emfive » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:41 pm

Seriously gangstaff. I can understand your frustration after a couple of losses like that. But dismissing the content of Hank's post as airy fairy says more about your impatience than it says about how to build a team. It is my contention that BC is doing just fine. Having watched since the beginning of this organization (not to mention a lifetime of Leaf misery) management operate in a knee jerk fashion and reaching for the ring when it was in fact miles away. I am thrilled to have as a GM someone with experience and a considered plan for building a team. His measure of success will be measured down the road. I don't think that whining and moaning over every loss is becoming of a fan who understands that it takes more than a few talented players to win. I get the feeling (although I cannot tell from these posts) that you (when push comes to shove) understand that.

Your comments only fueled my frustration with many of the fans here and I apologize for that.
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Post#86 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Feb 9, 2008 7:55 pm

gangstaff wrote:So what was stupid? That I'm not thrilled with us sitting in neutral? Everything you've ever posted was viewed as genius? How bout this: shove off. You're still not debating anything I've posted. All you've done is name-call. So how are you smart enough to call me stupid?


The entire post was stupid. What's there to debate?

You dismissed the ideas of one of the winningest coaches in college basketball history by implying his success was only a product of his talent. That is stupid.

You said the Raptors are stuck in neutral. That is stupid. If you want me to go into a detailed breakdown of that, I'm not going to. I'll let you look at the talent on the team, how long BC has been with the team, the cap situation, and the definitions of "stuck" and "neutral" on your own. It should hopefully be revealing.

No, not everything I write was viewed as genius. In fact, almost nothing of what I write is viewed as intelligent at all. But luckily for me, my post was about you and your "contributions". I don't think you should be throwing around your frustrations, "slappy's" and general discontent like you're contributing something valuable. You aren't. I might not be either, but I'm not being a dick to reasonable people.

Rather than continue this idiocy though, I'm just going to go back to ignoring you from now on. So you've won. Congratulations.
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Post#87 » by T-Spot » Sat Feb 9, 2008 8:05 pm

Two time NBA exec of the year and the brains of a 20 win turn around

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NBA Live/ fantasy GM.

I think the Raps will take their chances with BC.
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Post#88 » by gangstaff » Sat Feb 9, 2008 9:05 pm

emfive wrote:Seriously gangstaff. I can understand your frustration after a couple of losses like that. But dismissing the content of Hank's post as airy fairy says more about your impatience than it says about how to build a team. It is my contention that BC is doing just fine. Having watched since the beginning of this organization (not to mention a lifetime of Leaf misery) management operate in a knee jerk fashion and reaching for the ring when it was in fact miles away. I am thrilled to have as a GM someone with experience and a considered plan for building a team. His measure of success will be measured down the road. I don't think that whining and moaning over every loss is becoming of a fan who understands that it takes more than a few talented players to win. I get the feeling (although I cannot tell from these posts) that you (when push comes to shove) understand that.

Your comments only fueled my frustration with many of the fans here and I apologize for that.


Cool man, thats probably a better approach to take with regards to BC's team-building. I just am not sold on Bargs at C so being patient doesn't really work in my world view. I'd sooner see him move on with that piece of the puzzle.

My apologies for getting grumpy as well.
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Post#89 » by Nolan » Sat Feb 9, 2008 10:04 pm

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The problem is, what if they stop going in like the Bulls shots did.


But we unlike the Bulls have a dominant post scorer in Bosh who create open looks for his teammates. The Problem with the Bulls is that they have no one inside and teams are just pushing them out making their shots harder and harder.
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