Moon vs. Kapono end of game

peteyjones13 · Post #1 » by **peteyjones13** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:23 pm

I'm sorry for starting a whole thread on this, but I think it's beyond ridiculous that at the end of games, especially when we're losing, like we were against the Clippers on Friday, that Jamario Moon is in the game over Jason Kapono.

When the ball is swung around, and we get an open shot, it is extremely frustrating to see Moon end up with that open shot. In the first quarter, I can live with it. In the 4th quarter, when we're down in the game, and need points, it is beyond unacceptable. Jamario should NEVER EVER play in a close game in the 4th quarter when we are losing. We've got one of the best shooters in the world in Kapono, but instead of Kapono taking that open shot to cut the deficit, it's Jamario Moon. Please don't happen again!!!!!

Post #2 » by **Rhettmatic** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:25 pm

peteyjones13 wrote:I'm sorry for starting a whole thread on this, but I think it's beyond ridiculous that at the end of games, especially when we're losing, like we were against the Clippers on Friday, that Jamario Moon is in the game over Jason Kapono.

When the ball is swung around, and we get an open shot, it is extremely frustrating to see Moon end up with that open shot. In the first quarter, I can live with it. In the 4th quarter, when we're down in the game, and need points, it is beyond unacceptable. Jamario should NEVER EVER play in a close game in the 4th quarter when we are losing. We've got one of the best shooters in the world in Kapono, but instead of Kapono taking that open shot to cut the deficit, it's Jamario Moon. Please don't happen again!!!!!

Eh, Kapono's pretty terrible. He can't play a lick of defence and half the time when he gets a semi-open jump shot he passes it up so he can put the ball on the floor then turn it over. Moon isn't very good either. We need to get a real swingman.

peteyjones13 · Post #3 » by **peteyjones13** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:26 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Eh, Kapono's pretty terrible. He can't play a lick of defence and half the time when he gets a semi-open jump shot he passes it up so he can put the ball on the floor then turn it over. Moon isn't very good either. We need to get a real swingman.

Ok but at the end of game when we're losing and need points, Kapono HAS to be in the game over Jamario Moon.

Bankai · Post #4 » by **Bankai** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:33 pm

I agree I guess, when we are down in the Fourth Quarter and NEED POINTS, especially when I see the other team in a drought at the same time the Raptors are, you need someone who can kick start the offense. Kapono best 3 Point shooter is riding the pine.

The point is, I hate when Sam trys to match "wit for wit" with the opposing team's Coach. When the other team goes small, Sam tries to go even smaller, it fails. When the other team is in a drought, Sam will let the Raptor lineup that is in a drought as well, ride it out. This fails when both teams that dont score, the other team which has more points will win, Sam fails. When the Raptors are not getting it done, Sam will send wave after wave of more men at them (a la Zap Brannigan), hoping all this confusion of Raptors rotation will somehow tire out the other team, it fails and the other team shreds this poor strategy.

Sam makes me go :dontknow:

and Kapono needs to be freed, 'Nuff said. We dont need more defense when what we need is offense if they aint getting it done either. Of course Sam will do the opposite of common sense, he is a more Monkey See, Monkey Do type of Coach.

General Ford · Post #5 » by **General Ford** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:46 pm

Makes no sense to have Pono on the bench with the game on the line. That's what he was brought here for, to take pressure off of Bosh down the stretch of games. Its not like Moon is a stopper on defense

basketball royalty · Post #6 » by **basketball royalty** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:50 pm

The answer is Delfino. He can defend and score aswell as do everything else on the court, he should be out there in crunchtime.

Live Free · Post #7 » by **Live Free** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:53 pm

General Ford wrote:Makes no sense to have Pono on the bench with the game on the line. That's what he was brought here for, to take pressure off of Bosh down the stretch of games. Its not like Moon is a stopper on defense

moon is the best help defender we have, and with guys like al thornton burning bosh down the stretch we need all the help we can get.. it was just unfortunate that it wasn't to much avail that game.. i for sure wouldn't mind kapono coming in late and hittin jumpers however the d gives him a very hard time getting shots up, he has to run through multiple screens just to get off a 15 foot jumper.. until kapono can get it done on both ends we will be seeing a lot of moon/delfino down the stretch

General Ford · Post #8 » by **General Ford** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:54 pm

basketball royalty wrote:The answer is Delfino. He can defend and score aswell as do everything else on the court, he should be out there in crunchtime.

Carlos is not the answer at the offensive end. He's shooting 40% from the field. You need an efficient scorer at the end of games. Defensively he competes but he isn't that great

Live Free · Post #9 » by **Live Free** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:56 pm

General Ford wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Carlos is not the answer at the offensive end. He's shooting 40% from the field. You need an efficient scorer at the end of games. Defensively he competes but he isn't that great

yep, it all depends on if good or bad delfino shows up that night

General Ford · Post #10 » by **General Ford** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:00 pm

mad-mo wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

yep, it all depends on if good or bad delfino shows up that night

So basically ride the hot hand at the end of games. Smitch is way too reactionary and doesn't make teams adjust to what he does.

Bankai · Post #11 » by **Bankai** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:02 pm

General Ford wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So basically ride the hot hand at the end of games. Smitch is way too reactionary and doesn't make teams adjust to what he does.

Exactly, he is not the initiator. Bad thing is, when he follows the other teams strategy, he often falls for THEIR traps, its what Sam does best.

Ttocca · Post #12 » by **Ttocca** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:05 pm

I think having pono or moon at the end of the game really depend on the game situation and the matchup.
but for the clippers game i agree with the op we should of have kapono in teh game instead of moon since we were loosing and we needed a shooter out there to take the pressure of bosh.

The_Hater · Post #13 » by **The_Hater** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:39 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Eh, Kapono's pretty terrible. He can't play a lick of defence and half the time when he gets a semi-open jump shot he passes it up so he can put the ball on the floor then turn it over. Moon isn't very good either. We need to get a real swingman.

There both specialists only Moon brings are bigger range of skills to the table.

But why does every guy that isn't an all-around star have to be called terrible? They're both rotation players for a playoff team. They're both good players and Moon has been one of the top rookies in the entire league this year.

Post #14 » by **Rhettmatic** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:41 pm

The_Hater wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There both specialists only Moon brings are bigger range of skills to the table.

But why does every guy that isn't an all-around star have to be called terrible? They're both rotation players for a playoff team. They're both good players and Moon has been one of the top rookies in the entire league this year.

That's fair, I was just being dramatic.

Yeah, they're fine, but I just don't think either brings a whole ton to the table at this stage -- not enough that I'd lament either not being in the game down the stretch, anyway.

Theta64 · Post #15 » by **Theta64** » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:48 pm

Moons defense is over-rated. Sam Mitchell has some serious flaws in his rotations, and rarely shows any sort of strategy as a coach.

Mitchell and Colangelo both saw Kapono playing in Miami last year, and said wow, that guy is an amazing team player, and is an incredible shooter. Then Colangelo gets Kapono for our team, and Sam has yet to integrate Kapono into our system.

Their are many times when Moon is playing so bad, that even Graham deserves to play, and yet Sams love for Moon keeps him in the game.

Anyone know how many more years Sam is on contract?

T-Spot · Post #16 » by **T-Spot** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:07 am

Kapono has to be out in crunch time if we are behind. I also think that every time the Raps want to make a run at the game, Kapono has to be on the floor. If Bosh is the first option on offense, Kapono has to be number two, as he is the best shooter in a team full of shooters.

Kapono, please, JACK IT UP when ever you get it.

stopnpop · Post #17 » by **stopnpop** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:32 am

neither...carlos delfino is the compromise.. gives u offense and satisfactory defense...kap is one of the all time worst defenders..and he is best in the end of games for drawn up inbound plays for a three

Post #18 » by **Double Helix** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:20 am

I definitely think we could be getting more out of Kapono. Yes, he has his limitations but he is a 50 percent 3 point shooter and one of the best overall shooters in the entire league.

And honestly, I haven't see his lack of athleticism get exposed to the extent many expected at the beginning of the year (Ie: it's not as though teams are running isolations against him over and over again), but for the sake of an argument... let's assume that coaches have/do/or will... Worst case scenario he's giving up 2s and (if used properly) and reigning in 3s.

I just think he's shown enough offensive consistency this year to warrant more minutes and more chances but maybe that's just me.