Cheating In Basketball - ATL & Univ. of Tenn

[kiz5]

Isn't it disappointing when basketball teams cheat to win, whether directly, or with the help of others (those running the clock).

Not sure how many of you managed to see the Rutgers / Tennessee Women's BB game last night, but it's really sad when things like this happen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?&brand=null&videoId=3242062&n8pe6c=3

I can understand things like this happening at the High School levels, but not when it's Collegiate, and Professional basketball.

And, with the gambling going on in the NBA, you almost have to wonder how much it's going on in NCAA basketball.









Too bad, because the Rutgers women were about to knock off the #1 team in the country, two games in a row.

And, the Refs weren't willing to look at the video. Sad.

[OhMyBosh]

Wow. That's brutal. They don't even try to hide it. The clock just stops... terrible.

Refs should be fined or suspended for not even reviewing it. Score keepers should be fired.

[bstein14]

From my understanding the clock stops when the whistle is blown for the foul.

I believe the ref has control of it.

He called the foul with 0.2 left and that's why it stopped.

[OhMyBosh]

Look again.

There wasn't a foul at exactly 0.2. And there was no whistle at that time either.

If the clock kept running, the foul would've happened after the game already ended.

She grabbed the rebound at 0.2. Then she had to land. Gather. And go back up before getting fouled. Nobody can do that in 0.2 seconds.

[h00pst1r]

The NCAA needs to step in and award Rutgers the win...that would be the right thing to do and the very least they could do...if they want to take it a step further, fine the University of Tenn.

To think they make OJ donate money for two tickets hey got from Melo as a gift but they allow something like this to take place?? Craziness...

[hksazn]

SSHHHAAAAMM!!!!! what a shaaamm!!

[phd1969]

That is brutal, I would be furious.

[bstein14]

How do you know it wasn't a loose ball foul going for the rebound with 0.2 seconds left?

It looked like there was contact when the clock stopped moving.

It was almost like the ref blew the whistle to make the call, yet wasn't sure of himself to signal the foul

You never really want to make that call at the end of the game like that.

But as far as I know the refs are the ones who control the game clock. (Time keepers control the shot clock).

[OhMyBosh]

I hate when refs try to act important.

The whole "stand back. We'll deal with this situation" crap. We all now there'll be nothing fixed.

[Jenike]

I thought it was a good call at first. But watch the clock. It pauses at 0.2 seconds.

They have a legit complaint there. The foul was for real, it's the pausing of the time at 0.2 seconds that is the problem and allowed for the ref to make the foul call.

The ref is watching the play not the clock. He's going on the sound of the horn.


It should be reviewed by the NCAA.

[The_Hater]

Why everytime a mistake happens does a large segment of the population assume that it was done on purpose?

The Atlanta scorekeepers have been sloppy and perhaps they were poorly trained but 2 infractions over several years by 2 different people doesn't say to me that they were cheating on purpose. Mistakes happen often in games but usually they are caught and subsequently fixed by a 3rd party. In these 2 cases, it's incredible that nobody on Toronto or Miami benches caught the mistake when it happened.

And referee mistakes happen all the time. It's a fast paced game that is extremely difficult to ref on even the lowest levels.

[shugknight]

I was actually watching this game, along with the Mens Georgetown vs Nova game.. And I can easily say that these 2 games were 2 of the worst officiated games I've ever seen.

Knowing that the UT/Rutgers game was going to be really close, I switched over to watch the last minute of the game. Watching this in real time I can honestly say that this game should have been over before the foul was called.. I remember when Parker shot the ball with her left hand .. As soon as she released the ball, the time stopped as if the timekeeper automatically thought a foul was going to be called. I even yelled out to myself "The Time stopped!"

What was funny was that during the replays, ESPN2 hesitated to show that the clock stopped until the play by play man actually said something. Every time the replay got to where the time was about to stop, they would stop showing the replay so you wouldn't notice that it actually stopped in real time. I really thought ESPN2 was in the whole scam since the refused to show it. It sucks that, that senior who was "fouled" had to make both free throws to win the game. Complete and total garbage.

Then when I switched back to the Nova game, I noticed that GT was at the line shooting Free throws with .1 second left. Then I hear that the refs called a foul 75 feet away from the basket.. WTF?

I don't care how strict of a ref you are, you don't determine the ballgame by making some lame call that would not have changed the ending of a game, especially if it wasn't even pass the half court line..

[snika]

I thought it was a good call at first. But watch the clock. It pauses at 0.2 seconds.

They have a legit complaint there. The foul was for real, it's the pausing of the time at 0.2 seconds that is the problem and allowed for the ref to make the foul call.

The ref is watching the play not the clock. He's going on the sound of the horn.


It should be reviewed by the NCAA.

I thought it was the right call at first aswell then I watched it a second time and noticed that the clock had frozen at 0.2. In the NBA would they review this because the buzzer hadnt rung yet ?

[NetsForce]

If you guys saw the Villanova game yesterday you would have witnessed another pretty bad call...

[joeyt618]

If you guys saw the Villanova game yesterday you would have witnessed another pretty bad call...

Yet another game decided by a stupid call. Scottie Reynolds was bumped several times going to the hoop seconds earlier and there wasn't a call. Wallace, on the other hand, was barely touched and was clearly out of control but gets the call to win the game at the line.

You have to wonder whether the home team gets an advantage with the calls because of the crowd. On a very close play that can go either way to end the game, it's certainly a lot of pressure to make a call to the displeasure of thousands of rowdy, possibly violent, fans in the home crowd - particularly in college hoops.

[basketballdario]

yeah my georgetown hoyas were given the game on a really bad call. There was certainly no foul on Wallace at the end as he was having trouble getting under control. I don't think there was a foul on Reynolds either when he drove in, but that game should have gone to OT. The game in its entirety was poorly officiated, especially in the 2nd half. Both teams should be ashamed of their crappy play as well, but thats another issue...

However, knowing Gtown students, I really doubt there would have been a violent reaction had they called a foul on Reynolds, but that call would have been wrong as well imo.

[Death Knight]

Lets assume that there was no foul and that the player with the offensive rebound was able to put back the lay up. Now, if the time kept running the lay up would have been after the buzzer and it would never have counted. However, the clock was stopped at 0.2 seconds to give the offensive rebounder the time to put back the lay up and make it count before the clock is started again to run off the 0.2 seconds and end the game like it was a game winning buzzer beater.

I can't see how anyone can make a case that it was just a mistake and not intentional. The people managing the clock do not stop it unless they hear a whistle, which there was clearly none before 0.2 seconds to justify the clock stopping.