Stein/KOC - Heat most interested in Kyle, 76ers/clippers also interested

[RapsFanInOhio]

Let’s get unrealistic:
To Toronto: Olynyk, Dragic, Achiuwa, Herro
To Houston: Davis, Bradley, Iggy, Nunn, Miami 2025 1st
To Miami: Lowry, Oladipo, Thomas, Bembry

Welp.

[tdotrep2]

achiuwa herro and filler for lowry and td

[DelAbbot]

does anyone know what the heat's FA space will be in the offseason. trading for lowry prob takes them out of the dipo sweepstakes.

Not necessarily I don’t think, but it makes it more difficult for certain.

They have cap space in the summer though and it becomes more of a reality at that point.

They would have Lowry's bird rights...so it is theoretically possible to sign Oladipo with cap space and go over the cap using Lowry's bird rights...so in that regard...the Heat absolutely have an incentive to obtain him now.

according to spotrac, Heat has 28M in cap space this summer, but that assumes they waive the caphold of the fillers they trade for Lowry. So it's likely that Lowry's caphold destroys a big part that 28M in cap space and prevent Heat from signing Dipo.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2021/

[Arnold_Palmer]

Let’s get unrealistic:
To Toronto: Olynyk, Dragic, Achiuwa, Herro
To Houston: Davis, Bradley, Iggy, Nunn, Miami 2025 1st
To Miami: Lowry, Oladipo, Thomas, Bembry

Welp.

If we could some how get Herro and Achiuwa I would be through the moon happy. Don’t know if that’s realistic though.

[mtcan]

Let’s get unrealistic:
To Toronto: Olynyk, Dragic, Achiuwa, Herro
To Houston: Davis, Bradley, Iggy, Nunn, Miami 2025 1st
To Miami: Lowry, Oladipo, Thomas, Bembry

Welp.

If we could some how get Herro and Achiuwa I would be through the moon happy. Don’t know if that’s realistic though.

Yea...not likely.

It ends up being like Kendrick Nunn, KZ Okpala and a 2027 FRP. Not sure if any of that is appealing...but it sounds more realistic.

[GooniesNeverDie]

if you can get Herro, you pull the trigger YESTERDAY. I don't know if his ceiling is what the hype projects but who are you getting from the clippers that's better? and who tf is Maxey. What is this obsession with this guy? Herro was a key rotation player on a finals team on his rookie contract. Take him and run.

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[Arnold_Palmer]

Let’s get unrealistic:
To Toronto: Olynyk, Dragic, Achiuwa, Herro
To Houston: Davis, Bradley, Iggy, Nunn, Miami 2025 1st
To Miami: Lowry, Oladipo, Thomas, Bembry

Welp.

If we could some how get Herro and Achiuwa I would be through the moon happy. Don’t know if that’s realistic though.

Yea...not likely.

It ends up being like Kendrick Nunn, KZ Okpala and a 2027 FRP. Not sure if any of that is appealing...but it sounds more realistic.

Probably more realistic however I guess we will see how desperate Miami is to win a chip. With Lowry it puts them in the convo. To me filler and a first round pick doesn’t really do it so I think we might have more leverage then most middling teams trading a soon to be FA

[RaptorPride]

[OAKLEY_2]

Lowry, Norm, TDII for Dragic, Herro, Precious & Olynyk

I think Miami does that for sure.

I think we can get better than that for Powell in his own deal, and I think you can squeeze Herro (plus maybe Precious as well) out of Miami because they don’t have any firsts to give and Philly does.

...and in Miami's culture...TDII blossoms into a beast. That damn Heat culture!!!

TD likely will not be in any deal because of age and the loss of KL-Norm produces a massive hole at shooting guard. My bet is if the Heat give up a shooting guard they'll want Bembry. Heat deal even if is Robinson, is way better than Philly.

[OAKLEY_2]

Lowry nets bodies and Norm picks.

[OAKLEY_2]

Let’s get unrealistic:
To Toronto: Olynyk, Dragic, Achiuwa, Herro
To Houston: Davis, Bradley, Iggy, Nunn, Miami 2025 1st
To Miami: Lowry, Oladipo, Thomas, Bembry

Welp.

If we could some how get Herro and Achiuwa I would be through the moon happy. Don’t know if that’s realistic though.

Yea...not likely.

It ends up being like Kendrick Nunn, KZ Okpala and a 2027 FRP. Not sure if any of that is appealing...but it sounds more realistic.

It won't though because the next first rounder available is 2025. It will likely be Robinson, Ariza (waive), KellyO and KZ for Lowry-Bembry. The rumour was Nunn. Raps obviously asking for Herro and getting a hard no. So far. Dragic seems a waste of time cause he can just opt out.

[rapluva]

Our starting lineup without Lowry has had a ton of success over the last two seasons.
Getting back Herro/Robinson, Dragic, Olynyk would signicantly bolster our depth and make us a threat in the East.

FVV/Dragic/Davis
Powell/(Herro/Robinson)/Thomas
OG/Bembry/Johnson
Siakam/Boucher
Olynyk/Baynes

Miami is not stupid to give us Herro and Duncan.. it's one of the two and I think it's Herro.. also..what I would really want is Herro and Nunn..
And Olynyk.. I would rather take Nunn than a first round pick.. yes that would then give us an opportunity to trade Norm for an Andre Drummond type of player..
That's a solid team.

[Rapsfan07]

5 team blockbuster

Toronto OUT: Lowry, Powell, Flynn, TOR 2021 FRP (Top 3 protected)
Toronto IN: Turner, Precious, Herro, Dragic

Heat OUT: Dragic, Olynyk, Herro, Precious, Nunn, Iguodala
Heat IN: Lowry, Oladipo, Bjelica, Flynn

Pacers OUT: Turner
Pacers IN: Olynyk, TOR 2021 FRP (Top 3 protected)

Rockets OUT: Oladipo, House
Rockets IN: Iguodala, Powell, Nunn

Kings OUT: Bjelica
Kings IN: House

[JB7]

Would even do a Lowry, Powell, Davis and Baynes for Herro, Olynyk, Dragic, Bradley & Harkless.

Powell & Davis are to help compensate for the loss of Herro, with Lowry being the target of the Heat. Adds more consistent 3pt shooting for Heat's run this year - heard they are near the bottom in 3pt shooting percentage.

Raps swap Baynes for Olynyk (hopefully more competent starting C for Raps), and target the one player worth trading for on the Heat in Herro.

Herro comes cheap for the next couple of years, while the Raps figure out if he can be their solution at SG.

[gerrit4]

Interesting that there could be a bidding war here. Miami seems to be a lot more interested than I would have assumed. I still feel like Lowry will be traded the Sixers - it's the only team that can really add him without losing major rotation players (other than Danny).
I know people aren't as high on Duncan Robinson, but he is an RFA so he'd be easier to re-sign than Norm. I'd guess if we get Duncan it would be easier to move Norm for a draft pick and/or a big man.

There are three trades I'd consider somewhat realistic that I'd be thrilled to get.

Kyle for

Duncan
Precious
Iggy (waive or flip for 2nd pick)
Kelly

Kyle & Norm for:
Herro
Precious
Dragic
Kelly

or

Kyle for
Danny/Scott
Maxey
Thybulle (or future first instead of one of Maxey/Thybulle)
1st

[ATLTimekeeper]

I just find the Heat rumour to be way off. Robinson and Herro have wildly different trade values because Herro has much higher potential and is a fixed cost and Robinson will get paid massively this summer. The Raptors insisting on one of them doesn't make sense. Also, there's just no leverage with Philly having no one even close to as good a prospect as Herro (or Robinson). This just feels like something Miami puts out there to say, "they were asking too much."

While the media does pick up on rumours, the Raptors haven't ever negotiated through the media.

[Danny1616]

I would do Lowry + Powell for Herro, Dragic, Precious and a 1st.

Alternatively I would do Powell, Baynes and TD for Ball and Adams.

[Kordic27]

There is a no chance Herro is in a Lowry trade. There must be other permutations.

[ItsDanger]

if you can get Herro, you pull the trigger YESTERDAY. I don't know if his ceiling is what the hype projects but who are you getting from the clippers that's better? and who tf is Maxey. What is this obsession with this guy? Herro was a key rotation player on a finals team on his rookie contract. Take him and run.

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If Maxey was on Minnesota, nobody would know his name. Philly is a bigger market and has people in media pump up their team. Maxey is solid prospect for bottom end of rotation. If people expect more than they are really reaching at this point.

[tecumseh18]

I just find the Heat rumour to be way off. Robinson and Herro have wildly different trade values because Herro has much higher potential and is a fixed cost and Robinson will get paid massively this summer. The Raptors insisting on one of them doesn't make sense. Also, there's just no leverage with Philly having no one even close to as good a prospect as Herro (or Robinson). This just feels like something Miami puts out there to say, "they were asking too much."

While the media does pick up on rumours, the Raptors haven't ever negotiated through the media.

Agree 100% with the first paragraph, but disagree with the second. Raps have never before been in the position to auction off valuable players, and trading is what Masai does best. I'm sure he knows how to play the game, and has no compunction about leaking to his media contacts, include Woj, when it benefits the Raptors.

DR??? No f'n way is he a Raptor player. I'd rather trade Lowry to the Clippers for Zubac + filler.