VIA The Score Ticker: ESPN Reports Cavs contact Raptors

[Zarko]

That's my issue, we'll need playmakers.

Jack's not efficient at running the offense, DD is an off-ball guy and Bosh is gone.

Bargs will obviously be getting a chance to force up every shot he can dream of but we'll need someone around to create plays....and Mo doesn't do that lol.

Which also concerns me about Bradley as one of the knocks is his distributing abilities.

Maybe keep Hedo and actually let him make some plays

[Tofubeque]

Maybe keep Hedo and actually let him make some plays

You mean like the ones where he drives off balance and throws a layup off the top of the glass?

[Zarko]

Maybe keep Hedo and actually let him make some plays

You mean like the ones where he drives off balance and throws a layup off the top of the glass?

Yeah... we'll have Bynum to clean those up

[dTox]

Maybe keep Hedo and actually let him make some plays

You mean like the ones where he drives off balance and throws a layup off the top of the glass?

Yeah... we'll have Bynum to clean those up

If Bynum has to rebound for everyone of Hedo's missed layups, he'll have a 3rd knee surgery and hit retirement by age 25

[Realist]

How is Mo an improvement over Jose again?

There the same player with different mentalities.

Jose likes the ball in his hands creating the offense.

Mo likes to be more off the ball or creating a shot.

I think Mo fits better with Hedo.

Hedo is gone. He doesn't want to be back.

[McFurious1]

Antawn Jamison
Maurice Williams
Anderson Varejao
Delonte West
J.J. Hickson

for

Chris Bosh
Hedo Turkoglu
Jose Calderon


M. Williams/Jack/13th pick?
DeRozan/West/13th pick?
Antawn Jamison/Weems
Bargnani/Hickson/Amir
Varejao/Amir/13th pick?

[garbage time]

lebron to toronto

[LittleOzzy]

What ESPN failed to mention is BC laughing and then hanging up the phone after they offered Mo Williams.

[Ripp]

Yeah... we'll have Bynum to clean those up

If Bynum has to rebound for everyone of Hedo's missed layups, he'll have a 3rd knee surgery and hit retirement by age 25

[novi13]

What ESPN failed to mention is BC laughing and then hanging up the phone after they offered Mo Williams.

How do you know that? Inside source?

[Zarko]

How is Mo an improvement over Jose again?

There the same player with different mentalities.

Jose likes the ball in his hands creating the offense.

Mo likes to be more off the ball or creating a shot.

I think Mo fits better with Hedo.

Hedo is gone. He doesn't want to be back.

Any Possible trade scenarios to accomadate that? Face it, were stuck with each other.

[brownbobcat]

Comparable to what? Varejao's long term contract + Mo's long term contract + maybe Hickson?

Comparable in terms of best offer out there. If it was just Bosh being traded, then I'd probably roll the dice with Bynum. If it meant getting rid of Hedo and Jose, I'd definitely consider a Cleveland package. Varejao's contract may be long, but it's commensurate with his play. Mo's better than Jose and his contract is a little cheaper.

What leverage do the Cavs have at all over you guys? They have close to no young talent at all excluding ok talent in Hickson and Green, certainly not enough to deal a franchise player for, horrible contracts on the book, their star is a free agent and if they get Bosh, how do they have the money for both of them?, and they cannot sign Bosh outright. LOL.

This isn't about Cleveland's leverage, or getting "fair value" for All Star. This will play out one of two ways.

A) Bosh makes a firm decision and chooses a team with enough cap space to sign him outright. The return in any S&T will be pure garbage, it doesn't matter if it's NY, Chicago, Miami, whomever.

B) Bosh gives Colangelo a list, which includes capped out teams he's willing to play for if a trade can be worked out (i.e. LA, Cleveland)

The best possible package available to Toronto will be from a capped out team. If it meant dumping some of our other horrible contracts, I think Cleveland's offer bears consideration even though it wouldn't match the upside of a Bynum package. Cleveland will easily have enough money for Bosh+LeBron since they'd be sending a ton of salary the other way. Obviously, Bosh would probably discuss things with LeBron before agreeing to such a trade.

[jrsmith]

A team that would have a possibility at creating a dynasty if such a trade was made (cleveland) would need to offer much better then complete scrubs. This obviously is not a good fit for the raptors. The cavs can dream though, or bosh can leave 30mill on the table. Either would be better then gifting bosh and letting a conference rival become a powerhouse.

[Zeno]

The thing that is overlooked is that Cleveland could create a fairly large TPE for TO if the trade was large enough.

Let's say it's

Bosh
Jose
Turk 37 million

for

Jamison
Varejao
Mo Will 30 million
plus a future 1st

That 7 million TPE could useful in a trade with a tax team in the future. Jamesion would be a huge expiring next year. Sideshow Bob is actually a pretty good player to pair with Bargs.

[engageTHEmasses]

okay, go ahead and rip into me... but who on EARTH thinks we're gonna get some sweet package for Bosh??? we're NOT going to get equal value... and anything above a 1st rounder/average rotation guy is a bonus...

would you really rather have bynum's knee straight up for bosh, over another 1st rounder, av, hickson, and mo? i mean seriously-- if that package was offered for bosh and jose's horrible contract, who would actually say no? and what else do you ACTUALLY think we could get?

i know it's not a franchise-changing deal... but it seems pretty decent all things considered to me...

just sayin', don't mean to offend.

[chimpston17]

Antawn Jamison
Maurice Williams
Anderson Varejao
Delonte West
J.J. Hickson

for

Chris Bosh
Hedo Turkoglu
Jose Calderon


M. Williams/Jack/13th pick?
DeRozan/West/13th pick?
Antawn Jamison/Weems
Bargnani/Hickson/Amir
Varejao/Amir/13th pick?

I actually dont mind that lineup, but whats funny is look at what the cavs lineup would look like:

jose/gibson
Lebron/AP
Turkoglu/moon
Bosh
Z

That team is like raptors + lebron lol, if we ever wondered what itd be like to have have lebron play for the raps this is the closest its gonna get, sending our team to cleveland to play with him. It'll be the new raptors + the cleveland raptors w/lebron lol

[why22]

the only way colangelo should even consider talking to dan gilbert(if bosh even wants the cavs)


chris bosh
hedo
jose



for


hickson
shaq resgined(20 million-5 mill guarenteedd bought out)

[RapticPride]

Antawn Jamison
Maurice Williams
Anderson Varejao
Delonte West
J.J. Hickson

for

Chris Bosh
Hedo Turkoglu
Jose Calderon


M. Williams/Jack/13th pick?
DeRozan/West/13th pick?
Antawn Jamison/Weems
Bargnani/Hickson/Amir
Varejao/Amir/13th pick?

I would definitely do that deal. If/when we aren't in playoff contention I would look to trade Mo, Jamison and Varejao at the deadline and get back picks and prospects. These players would be much easier to move than Jose/Hedo. If Cleveland would throw in a bought pick with this trade I would except this deal today without even hearing the other offers.

[McFurious1]

^ dude get rid of that wallpaper before u get banned... and I would do the above deal too

I would love to have Varejao paired up with Bargnani.... plus we would still be good enough to battle for a playoff spot.

[RapticPride]

^ dude get rid of that wallpaper before u get banned... and I would do the above deal too

I would love to have Varejao paired up with Bargnani.... plus we would still be good enough to battle for a playoff spot.

Thanks for the heads up. How is this one? It's ALOT smaller and not as provocative. I can't see it being a problem.

I agree Varejao would be ideal next to a guy like Bargs. Might want to keep him actually depending on how they play together. He is still a little undersized to play C but he makes up for it with his flopping and toughness. Yes, I think you can still be tough and flop...lol