Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[bboyskinnylegs]

that coach is FURIOUS!

[Rhettmatic]

Chad Ford has posted his first full mock of 2011:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... aft-110505

1. Minnesota, Irving
2. Cleveland, Williams
3. Toronto, Enes Kanter

- says Colangelo "has a thing" for international players, but that's not the only reason Ford says he has Kanter here -- it's because Enes is tough, rebounds, plays inside and out and has a high bball IQ, and his toughness would be a "welcome contrast to Andrea Bargnani's Charmin-soft game"

4. Washington, Vesely
5. Sacramento, Walker
6. Utah, Knight
7. Detroit, Biyombo
8. Cleveland, Valanciunas
9. Charlotte, Leonard
10. Milwaukee, Tristan Thompson

[God Squad]

^^^ Ya hear that guys. Chad thinks Bargnani is soft as Charmin. I'm not surprised. Anyways, I had Enes at around 3 as well. So I'm not surprised about his latest mock.

[ghuytro]

Is Kanter really "tough" or just "tougher than Bargnani". Like, is he Perkins or Reggie tough? Or tough for a 'ferrner?

[gerrit4]

I'm starting to get a feeling that we're going to draft Vesely if we fall out of the top 3.

He's an intriguing prospect, but probably a bit risky as a reward for a lost season. He's the kind of player I'd love to pick up with an additional pick.

[Reignman]

Is Kanter really "tough" or just "tougher than Bargnani". Like, is he Perkins or Reggie tough? Or tough for a 'ferrner?

I think by "tough" they mean he uses his big body inside to punish people in the post and while grabbing boards. I hope that applies to his defense as well.

Basically, tough in the way we want him to be tough.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

James Johnson

Vs.

Chicago
(via Miami)

Charles Jenkins
Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 220
Age: 22
School: Hoftstra

Analysis: The Bulls still miss the explosive scoring off the bench that Ben Gordon used to deliver. While it's a stretch to compare Jenkins to him, it's not totally off. Jenkins can stroke the basketball and was one of the most explosive scorers in college basketball. A sleeper for the late first round.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Zalgiris wins

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

How'd Jonas V do?

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

How'd Jonas V do?

8th. After Bismack B.

[Tenacious_C]

I get us drafting Kanter if he is the BPA.

If we do draft him, can we all please remember he is a project and may take a few years to develop. Also, if it weren't for such a weak draft; he wouldn't be top 3.

ps. Check out next years C prospects and ask yourself if you can wait a year to draft one of them.

[Dr Positivity]

Kanter isn't really a project though. My definition of a project is a player too raw for more than sparse minutes immediately who will eventually develop in game and physicality enough to play. Val is a classic project cause his body and athleticism and lack of offensive polish will make him a likely 10 minute foul pole for at least a year. He will need physical, skill and mental development before being a plus player

Kanter seems like a guy who's inside and outside skills are already mostly developed, and he physically he's already what he's likely to be a - Thick and strong with ok athleticism. Kanter seems like one of the most NBA ready players. Kanter is more OJ Mayo than Russell Westbrook IMO (in terms of being ready for the NBA when drafted and likely producing quickly)

[Reignman]

I get us drafting Kanter if he is the BPA.

If we do draft him, can we all please remember he is a project and may take a few years to develop. Also, if it weren't for such a weak draft; he wouldn't be top 3.

ps. Check out next years C prospects and ask yourself if you can wait a year to draft one of them.

Agree to a certain extent. I don't want to hear about any 5 year plans, I want to see him put in the work, I want to see the team invest in development, I want to see accountability and I want to see improvement year over year.

Basically, I want to see the opposite of what happened with Bargs and if we do things the right way I don't think we'll have to have a "5 year plan".

[Tenacious_C]

Kanter isn't really a project though. My definition of a project is a player too raw for more than sparse minutes immediately who will eventually develop in game and physicality enough to play. Val is a classic project cause his body and athleticism and lack of offensive polish will make him a likely 10 minute foul pole for at least a year. He will need physical, skill and mental development before being a plus player

Kanter seems like a guy who's inside and outside skills are already mostly developed, and he physically he's already what he's likely to be a - Thick and strong with ok athleticism. Kanter seems like one of the most NBA ready players. Kanter is more OJ Mayo than Russell Westbrook IMO (in terms of being ready for the NBA when drafted and likely producing quickly)

He hasn't played in a year and a half; there is no way he has the conditioning to step in and make an immediate impact on this club.

Almost every rookie (except the 5 star draftees) takes time to adjust to an NBA schedule. What also happens in the first year is you pay your dues. You won't get any calls and will foul out a good portion of your games.

We can't afford to be weak in the middle to train another rookie Center.

If we do draft him, he will get limited minutes off the bench in his first year and depending on his progression, he may stat there.

[Rhettmatic]

We can't afford to be weak in the middle to train another rookie Center.

If we do draft him, he will get limited minutes off the bench in his first year and depending on his progression, he may stat there.

We've been weak in the middle for years and years, though. "Can't afford"? The Raptors are not going to turn things around in one off-season. The rebuild will continue whenever we play again and the only thing the Raptors won't be able to afford is failing to develop their young players.

[Dr Positivity]

I expect something like 20mpg immediately for Kanter then he'll slowly work his way up.

[Tenacious_C]

We can't afford to be weak in the middle to train another rookie Center.

If we do draft him, he will get limited minutes off the bench in his first year and depending on his progression, he may stat there.

We've been weak in the middle for years and years, though. "Can't afford"? The Raptors are not going to turn things around in one off-season. The rebuild will continue whenever we play again and the only thing the Raptors won't be able to afford is failing to develop their young players.

I understand that we need to develop talent, but Kanter has always been a 5-10 o/a pick and it wasn't until players dropped out that he climbed the draft.

His defense is suspect and considering the youth we have at all other positions; I think we need a veteran C to instill leadership. I would take Rasho back in a heartbeat.

Like I'd said, if Kanter is the BPA we take him. I don't think that his upside is as big as people make it out to be (his only footage is against kids half his size); he hasn't played in a year and a half and he's a Euro (not to sound like a bigot, but I am starting to side with those who are tired of not having NA players who know the NA game).

I would be happy to trade him for picks next year and/or expirings.

[Reignman]

Kanter isn't really a project though. My definition of a project is a player too raw for more than sparse minutes immediately who will eventually develop in game and physicality enough to play. Val is a classic project cause his body and athleticism and lack of offensive polish will make him a likely 10 minute foul pole for at least a year. He will need physical, skill and mental development before being a plus player

Kanter seems like a guy who's inside and outside skills are already mostly developed, and he physically he's already what he's likely to be a - Thick and strong with ok athleticism. Kanter seems like one of the most NBA ready players. Kanter is more OJ Mayo than Russell Westbrook IMO (in terms of being ready for the NBA when drafted and likely producing quickly)

He hasn't played in a year and a half; there is no way he has the conditioning to step in and make an immediate impact on this club.

Almost every rookie (except the 5 star draftees) takes time to adjust to an NBA schedule. What also happens in the first year is you pay your dues. You won't get any calls and will foul out a good portion of your games.

We can't afford to be weak in the middle to train another rookie Center.

If we do draft him, he will get limited minutes off the bench in his first year and depending on his progression, he may stat there.

I highly doubt that. If we took a rookie as raw as Demar and started him in an important year where we were trying to make the playoffs, I don't see why a much higher pick in Kanter and as a much more polished player would come off the bench in a rebuilding year.

I think we'd throw him into the fire and manage his minutes somwhat, especially since he'll likely have no competition at that spot.

[Reignman]

We can't afford to be weak in the middle to train another rookie Center.

If we do draft him, he will get limited minutes off the bench in his first year and depending on his progression, he may stat there.

We've been weak in the middle for years and years, though. "Can't afford"? The Raptors are not going to turn things around in one off-season. The rebuild will continue whenever we play again and the only thing the Raptors won't be able to afford is failing to develop their young players.

I understand that we need to develop talent, but Kanter has always been a 5-10 o/a pick and it wasn't until players dropped out that he climbed the draft.

His defense is suspect and considering the youth we have at all other positions; I think we need a veteran C to instill leadership. I would take Rasho back in a heartbeat.

Like I'd said, if Kanter is the BPA we take him. I don't think that his upside is as big as people make it out to be (his only footage is against kids half his size); he hasn't played in a year and a half and he's a Euro (not to sound like a bigot, but I am starting to side with those who are tired of not having NA players who know the NA game).

I would be happy to trade him for picks next year and/or expirings.

You do realize that Kanter has been in the U.S. for over 2 years, played HS ball in Cali and then trained with UK under Calipari?

I'm pretty sure Kanter understands the NA game and his current training with Tim Grover at ATTACK is only going to further that.

[Reignman]

I do agree with having a vet C on the roster but I don't see why a rebuilding team would start the vet over a high lottery pick.