Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[ansoncarter]

wroten videos

pretty nice dribble for a player that size. DX has him at 6'6.5 same as derozan iirc

his finishes looked bad though. Lot of circus shots in there. Think he's one of those types that only plan on getting past his man, and don't think ahead of that. Ends up in bad spots too often. Not pretending to be sigmund freud though, just saying that's what it made me think

[ty123]

We really need to escape this draft with one of Barnes and MKG.

Seriously what makes Barnes any better than Quincy Miller?

If you gave Miller another year he could probably put up the same stats.

I'm one of Quincy Miller's biggest fan, but Barnes easily has a better jumper, better defender and is much more polished with his moves.

Miller is the better passer, better post & inside outside game. I'd even argue his jumper doesn't look as mechanical as Barnes and will probably be more effective in the NBA.

If we're rating star potential though, Miller is way way better.

If you're incredibly skilled, sometimes that triumphs over explosiveness. The guy still manages to get inside without it. Thats not to say that he's not explosive either.


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[5DOM]

I'm definitely not much of a fan of Barnes, but his jumper LOOKS as good as anyone's IMO.

[ty123]

I'm definitely not much of a fan of Barnes, but his jumper LOOKS as good as anyone's IMO.

It looks mechanical. Sure it'll work at colegiate level, but what happens when you put a 6 9 guy with a 7 foot + wingspan with a hand on his face?

[Undefeated]

Actually, Barnes' jumper is very smooth. He routinely has his shoulders squared to the basket, fully extends that shooting arm, has a high arc and great rotation shooting the ball, holds his follow-through, and good lift on the jumper. Quincy Miller is much better creating off the dribble, but his shot is really flat.

[Onlykiwirapsfan]

I agree, I wasnt that impressed with the wroten vids. Lots of dumb circus shots, lots of misses once he beat his man. It really just showed 4 plays on repeat over 2 videos from different angles, the most impressive of which he travelled and layed up wrong handed. I mean if a player cant wow you with a highlight reel, and has character/turnover issues, then I dont really want him.

I'm not too worried/excited about this draft yet. The only players I dont want are all the imo lower ceiling big men (zeller/sullinger etc), who I imagine wont even be on our draft board. Assuming we pick somewhere between 3-8, we are almost guaranteed to get one of Barnes/Lamb/Beal/MKG/PJ3. Any of those other than PJ I would be happy with tbh, which makes the draft almost unexciting. It's only tough if we pick 2 or 8th or lower.

[5DOM]

I'm definitely not much of a fan of Barnes, but his jumper LOOKS as good as anyone's IMO.

It looks mechanical. Sure it'll work at colegiate level, but what happens when you put a 6 9 guy with a 7 foot + wingspan with a hand on his face?

Maybe the release isn't very quick , but I think it looks smooth.

[Marlo Stanfield]

C'mon now, we're taking shots at Barnes' jumper now? No. He'll EASILY get it off in the NBA, unlike Quincy who's still questionable with his release.

[ty123]

I'm definitely not much of a fan of Barnes, but his jumper LOOKS as good as anyone's IMO.

It looks mechanical. Sure it'll work at colegiate level, but what happens when you put a 6 9 guy with a 7 foot + wingspan with a hand on his face?

Maybe the release isn't very quick , but I think it looks smooth.

How is his release though when he takes that bump with contact?

[Undefeated]

I think Quincy has a much quicker release a la Melo than Barnes, but his mechanics are no where near as good as Barnes.

[ty123]

C'mon now, we're taking shots at Barnes' jumper now? No. He'll EASILY get it off in the NBA, unlike Quincy who's still questionable with his release.

But his release is super quick and he doesn't need much elevation on his jumper if any at all.

[Marlo Stanfield]

C'mon now, we're taking shots at Barnes' jumper now? No. He'll EASILY get it off in the NBA, unlike Quincy who's still questionable with his release.

But his release is super quick and he doesn't need much elevation on his jumper if any at all.

It's too low. I'm not saying he won't be able to get it off, but the jump shots of Barnes and Miller are no comparison, Barnes wins in a landslide.

[Rapsfan07]

I've been on the Quincy Miller bandwagon from day 1 but there's no doubt about it, Barnes jumper is smoother. It should be a weapon of his in the NBA.

But if we're talking star potential, Miller has much more of it. His defense is worse than Barnes but Miller's handles are much better. Scott Drew is an idiot and refuses to run the offense through Miller so you don't get to see it but he shows flashes and with some polish, I think he can be a great NBAer. A guy who can take your last shot and be a go-to guy offensively. Ball-handling is a skill that usually separates good players from just average. His game has never been reliant on speed or explosiveness either. He's very long and deceptive His mechanics aren't as good as Barnes but also Quincy is the better rebounder.

So depending on where we land in the draft and who's available, I wouldn't mind a trade down to pick up extra pieces going forward.

[ty123]

I've been on the Quincy Miller bandwagon from day 1 but there's no doubt about it, Barnes jumper is smoother. It should be a weapon of his in the NBA.

But if we're talking star potential, Miller has much more of it. His defense is worse than Barnes but Miller's handles are much better. Scott Drew is an idiot and refuses to run the offense through Miller so you don't get to see it but he shows flashes and with some polish, I think he can be a great NBAer. A guy who can take your last shot and be a go-to guy offensively. Ball-handling is a skill that usually separates good players from just average. His game has never been reliant on speed or explosiveness either. He's very long and deceptive His mechanics aren't as good as Barnes but also Quincy is the better rebounder.

So depending on where we land in the draft and who's available, I wouldn't mind a trade down to pick up extra pieces going forward.

He reminds me of as a poorer Melo with better passing.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I don't feel like there's a good comparison for Quincy Miller in the NBA at this point (unless I'm forgetting someone). The closest thing is Kevin Durant because of the height, handle and jump shot but that's pretty far off at this point.

[Rapsfan07]

Yeah I don't think there's a good comparison. His shot can use a little tweaking and Casey should be able to help on the defensive side but other than that, I think he's got it all.

[Undefeated]

I'm watching the Magic-Heat game, and just watching LeBron James getting in the paint at will with that brute strength really makes me think Harrison Barnes is the guy for the Raptors. He's already got an NBA frame to defend the elite wing players along with a solid offensive game.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I'm watching the Magic-Heat game, and just watching LeBron James getting in the paint at will with that brute strength really makes me think Harrison Barnes is the guy for the Raptors. He's already got an NBA frame to defend the elite wing players along with a solid offensive game.

I see where you're coming from but those are two different kinds of strength.

[McFurious1]

I'm watching the Magic-Heat game, and just watching LeBron James getting in the paint at will with that brute strength really makes me think Harrison Barnes is the guy for the Raptors. He's already got an NBA frame to defend the elite wing players along with a solid offensive game.

Ya but to me Barnes isn't the type to attack the paint like LeBron.
Barnes likes to stay at the 3 point line.

[5DOM]

Barnes' got great body but I'd like to see more from him defensively. MKG is the better defender IMO.