Raptors Official 2013 Offseason Transaction Idea Thread

[Rapsobsessed7]

Yes I know the rules. Toronto next season after amnestying Kleiza, declining Lucas TO is at 66 million. Tax is supposed to increase based on increased revenue this year. Lets say 73/74 million so were still far below tax.

My problem with your post was you said we basically have to amnesty Bargnani in order to complete a trade under the 150% rule. That's not true. You also have to realize it won't happen because MLSE is not going to pay Bargnani to sit at home. Kleiza will be the one amnestied, MLSE dips below tax under this scenario and only pays a sum of 4.6 million for 1 year to avoid the tax.

Except if you amnesty Kleiza and decline Lucas you have no expirings to deal aside from Gray(assuming Lowry isn't dealt) so that forces you to either include Fields or Bargnani in any trade which lowers the return and that is why I say that you need to amnesty Bargnani. I do mention that if you can deal him for an expiring contract then that would be ideal but I just don't see that happening.

I also would not outright say amnestying Bargnani won't be approved by MLSE, BC will have to sell it for sure but that's the one thing BC really excels at.

Why do you need to have expirings to deal. Expirings in some cases net you assets but also in others, dont. There's countless times where expirings haven't been used at all. I don't for a second think you "need" to have expirings to deal.

Also you keep talking about a "lower" return. MLSE would rather take a lower return on Bargnani than amnesty him. In the NBA every contract can be moved despite the belief on this site. We've seen it with Hedo, Reshard Lewis, ect. I think Fields/Bargnani can be moved you just have to find a team that makes sense. I could see a Bargnani/Boozer trade happen or a Bargnani/Gasol based trade happen if Howard re-signs.

BC signed Andrea to that contract, BC drafted Andrea, do you really believe he will amnesty him with 22 million left on his deal. No chance IMO. He does have value around the league it's just about finding a team that fits.

[chanchan85]

Why do you need to have expirings to deal. Expirings in some cases net you assets but also in others, dont. There's countless times where expirings haven't been used at all. I don't for a second think you "need" to have expirings to deal.

Also you keep talking about a "lower" return. MLSE would rather take a lower return on Bargnani than amnesty him. In the NBA every contract can be moved despite the belief on this site. We've seen it with Hedo, Reshard Lewis, ect. I think Fields/Bargnani can be moved you just have to find a team that makes sense. I could see a Bargnani/Boozer trade happen or a Bargnani/Gasol based trade happen if Howard re-signs.

BC signed Andrea to that contract, BC drafted Andrea, do you really believe he will amnesty him with 22 million left on his deal. No chance IMO. He does have value around the league it's just about finding a team that fits.

I didn't say you need expirings to deal, nor did I say Bargnani's contract wasn't moveable.
The gist of what I said is that:
Kleiza + Ross + 1st will get you a better return than either Fields + Ross + 1st or Bargnani + Ross + 1st
At this point, I can't see how anyone would disagree with the bolded above.

Whether BC will amnesty Bargnani or not, only he knows. I hope that he is at least discussing the possibility.

[elmer_yuck]

Yes I know the rules. Toronto next season after amnestying Kleiza, declining Lucas TO is at 66 million. Tax is supposed to increase based on increased revenue this year. Lets say 73/74 million so were still far below tax.

My problem with your post was you said we basically have to amnesty Bargnani in order to complete a trade under the 150% rule. That's not true. You also have to realize it won't happen because MLSE is not going to pay Bargnani to sit at home. Kleiza will be the one amnestied, MLSE dips below tax under this scenario and only pays a sum of 4.6 million for 1 year to avoid the tax.

Except if you amnesty Kleiza and decline Lucas you have no expirings to deal aside from Gray(assuming Lowry isn't dealt) so that forces you to either include Fields or Bargnani in any trade which lowers the return and that is why I say that you need to amnesty Bargnani. I do mention that if you can deal him for an expiring contract then that would be ideal but I just don't see that happening.

I also would not outright say amnestying Bargnani won't be approved by MLSE, BC will have to sell it for sure but that's the one thing BC really excels at.

Why do you need to have expirings to deal. Expirings in some cases net you assets but also in others, dont. There's countless times where expirings haven't been used at all. I don't for a second think you "need" to have expirings to deal.

Also you keep talking about a "lower" return. MLSE would rather take a lower return on Bargnani than amnesty him. In the NBA every contract can be moved despite the belief on this site. We've seen it with Hedo, Reshard Lewis, ect. I think Fields/Bargnani can be moved you just have to find a team that makes sense. I could see a Bargnani/Boozer trade happen or a Bargnani/Gasol based trade happen if Howard re-signs.

BC signed Andrea to that contract, BC drafted Andrea, do you really believe he will amnesty him with 22 million left on his deal. No chance IMO. He does have value around the league it's just about finding a team that fits.

So you portray yourself as the definitive expert about all of this, repeating the same thing over and over and over again, but it's all just your opinion.

[Kreamy]

This is random wishful thinking but here goes.

Move #1
DeRozan, Lowry and Kleiza to Minnesota for Rubio, Steimsma and Roy.
Adelman and Lowry have a great relationship and the Wolves might look to shake things up after another failed season.

Move #2
Bargnani and Fields to the Lakers for Gasol.
Gasol and Howard won't work together in D'Antoni's system. If Bargnani remembers how to play basketball, he might be a good fit there with his ability to stretch the floor. The Italian thing with Kobe and D'Antoni can't hurt. Fields excelled in D'Antoni's system before as well.

Move #3
Try to move Gasol for picks or younger pieces. If not, Amnesty.

Fill out the rest of the roster with 10 day contracts, tank and rebuild properly. Reassess the situation with Gay at the next trade deadline and/or next summer, depending on where the team is at.

[DeadHorse]

This is random wishful thinking but here goes.

Move #1
DeRozan, Lowry and Kleiza to Minnesota for Rubio, Steimsma and Roy.
Adelman and Lowry have a great relationship and the Wolves might look to shake things up after another failed season.

Move #2
Bargnani and Fields to the Lakers for Gasol.
Gasol and Howard won't work together in D'Antoni's system. If Bargnani remembers how to play basketball, he might be a good fit there with his ability to stretch the floor. The Italian thing with Kobe and D'Antoni can't hurt. Fields excelled in D'Antoni's system before as well.

Move #3
Try to move Gasol for picks or younger pieces. If not, Amnesty.

Fill out the rest of the roster with 10 day contracts, tank and rebuild properly. Reassess the situation with Gay at the next trade deadline and/or next summer, depending on where the team is at.

I don't think you can amnesty players you get in trades

[Kreamy]

This is random wishful thinking but here goes.

Move #1
DeRozan, Lowry and Kleiza to Minnesota for Rubio, Steimsma and Roy.
Adelman and Lowry have a great relationship and the Wolves might look to shake things up after another failed season.

Move #2
Bargnani and Fields to the Lakers for Gasol.
Gasol and Howard won't work together in D'Antoni's system. If Bargnani remembers how to play basketball, he might be a good fit there with his ability to stretch the floor. The Italian thing with Kobe and D'Antoni can't hurt. Fields excelled in D'Antoni's system before as well.

Move #3
Try to move Gasol for picks or younger pieces. If not, Amnesty.

Fill out the rest of the roster with 10 day contracts, tank and rebuild properly. Reassess the situation with Gay at the next trade deadline and/or next summer, depending on where the team is at.

I don't think you can amnesty players you get in trades

Didn't know that, thanks!

[Marvin Martian]

I would love to see a trade for Evan turner. Turner has all of the skills Derozan has + a 3 ball, passing, rebounding and above average defense. He may not be a number 1 option superstar but he can be a much better second fiddle to Gay.

Turner is not a good 3 point shooter. We need a legit 3 point threat to pair with Rudy.

He is shooting it well this year but he isn't the best choice. Personally I would go for Gordon Hayward over him but i don't know if we have any good assets to get him.

Maybe Ross + Kleiza + 1st for Marvin Williams + Hayward?

[T-D0G]

He is shooting it well this year but he isn't the best choice. Personally I would go for Gordon Hayward over him but i don't know if we have any good assets to get him.

Maybe Ross + Kleiza + 1st for Marvin Williams + Hayward?

I wouldn't trade Ross just yet, and I don't think Utah is looking to trade Hayward either.

I'm looking to trade Derozan, and that would mean looking for a team that is looking for a SG, and a team that has a PF we would be interested in.

I would then look to either force Ross into the starting SG position or look for a stop gap SG that can shoot the 3 while Ross develops.

Rudy makes Derozan better, but Derozan doesn't make Rudy better because he doesn't shoot the 3 well, which makes them a bad fit together. With Derozan's value at its all time high, I would look to move him over Ross who's value isn't high right now and could potenially be a better player than Derozan down the road.

[Marvin Martian]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cs3n32w

I think we can do a Derozan for Al hortford straight up once his salary for next year kicks up to 10 mil.

This is a great deal for both sides. ATL gets their SG of the future and moves on from the J Smith Hortford era, while we get a great PF/C that we can run PnR/PnP while improving our defense.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cs3n32w

I think we can do a Derozan for Al hortford straight up once his salary for next year kicks up to 10 mil.

This is a great deal for both sides. ATL gets their SG of the future and moves on from the J Smith Hortford era, while we get a great PF/C that we can run PnR/PnP while improving our defense.

Danny Ferry hangs up the phone, and sends his cronies to Toronto to beat the crap out of BC for even suggesting such a trade.

[OOO]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cs3n32w

I think we can do a Derozan for Al hortford straight up once his salary for next year kicks up to 10 mil.

This is a great deal for both sides. ATL gets their SG of the future and moves on from the J Smith Hortford era, while we get a great PF/C that we can run PnR/PnP while improving our defense.

LMAO. Come on man get real.

[raptorfan416]

Thank god some of you are not the GM of this team.. Looking at some of these trades just makes me laugh. Some you should never talk bad about rob bobcock.

[raptorfan416]

Trade everyone except Jonas for picks and rev up the M1 Wiggins .

yes and that's a sure way to get Wiggins right ? I don't know some of you will understand that you can finish with the worst record and still end up picking as low as 3rd or 4th. the chances of getting Wiggins is slim to none.. The NBA draft is not the NFL draft where the worst team gets the number 1 pick.

[Ice102]

Trade everyone except Jonas for picks and rev up the M1 Wiggins .

yes and that's a sure way to get Wiggins right ? I don't know some of you will understand that you can finish with the worst record and still end up picking as low as 3rd or 4th. the chances of getting Wiggins is slim to none.. The NBA draft is not the NFL draft where the worst team gets the number 1 pick.

Slim to none?



If we finish top 3 next year, which is possible if we are determined to do so, our odds are much better than 'slim to none'.

Not to mention that Jabari Parker is a highly coveted prospect as well. Julius Randle too, to a lesser extent.

IF we are determined to tank, there is no better year to do it than next year with that draft.

[Snakeyes]

Trade everyone except Jonas for picks and rev up the M1 Wiggins .

yes and that's a sure way to get Wiggins right ? I don't know some of you will understand that you can finish with the worst record and still end up picking as low as 3rd or 4th. the chances of getting Wiggins is slim to none.. The NBA draft is not the NFL draft where the worst team gets the number 1 pick.

*sigh* Do we really have to go through this again?

If we finish with the worst record, we are guaranteed one of Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Vonleh, Harrison, etc... who all look to have much more upside in the long term than anyone on our roster except maybe Jonas.

[Marvin Martian]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cs3n32w

I think we can do a Derozan for Al hortford straight up once his salary for next year kicks up to 10 mil.

This is a great deal for both sides. ATL gets their SG of the future and moves on from the J Smith Hortford era, while we get a great PF/C that we can run PnR/PnP while improving our defense.

LMAO. Come on man get real.

Maybe add a future 1st? Derozan's value can't be that low....right?

[warbird]

hm wonder if bargs and ross for derrick williams, ridnour and stiesma? gives us a proper backup pg, a strech 4 that rebounds and a better backup C then grey

[Rapsobsessed7]

Would anyone here do this?

To Toronto: Amare Stoudamire + NYK 2013 2nd RD Pick
To New York: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + Aaron Gray

I think Amare could be good in a athletic lineup like ours.

Lowry / PG
Derozan / Ross
Gay / SF (3 point shooter)
Stoudamire / Amir / Acy
Val / C

[Mister Ze]

Would anyone here do this?

To Toronto: Amare Stoudamire + NYK 2013 2nd RD Pick
To New York: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + Aaron Gray

I think Amare could be good in a athletic lineup like ours.

Lowry / PG
Derozan / Ross
Gay / SF (3 point shooter)
Stoudamire / Amir / Acy
Val / C

Doesn't Amare have that problem where his knees are deteriorating? It's a risky trade considering that he'll be making 23M in 2014-2015

[Rapsobsessed7]

Would anyone here do this?

To Toronto: Amare Stoudamire + NYK 2013 2nd RD Pick
To New York: Andrea Bargnani + Landry Fields + Aaron Gray

I think Amare could be good in a athletic lineup like ours.

Lowry / PG
Derozan / Ross
Gay / SF (3 point shooter)
Stoudamire / Amir / Acy
Val / C

Doesn't Amare have that problem where his knees are deteriorating? It's a risky trade considering that he'll be making 23M in 2014-2015

I haven't heard about that, I know Bynum recently has been rumoured to have that. Haven't heard it about Amare though...maybe I missed it.

I think Bargnani fits their team better because of his shooting.