General NBA Discussion Thread

[hsb]

I'm not focusing on being a first option or anything, but it was Tony Parker's team the last few years.

Eh, I'm still not buying it.

Playoffs:
2012
Parker: 20.1 (efg .469), 3.6 rb, 6.8 a, 0.9 st, 0 blk, 3.1 tov
Duncan: 17.4 (efg .495), 9.4 rb, 2.8 a, 0.7 st, 2.1 blk, 1.5 tov

2013
Parker: 20.6 (efg .473), 3.2 rb, 7 a, 1.1 st, 0.1 blk, 2.5 tov
Duncan: 18.1 (efg .470), 10.2 rb, 1.9 a, 0.9 st, 1.6 blk, 2.0 tov

2014
Parker: 17.4 (efg .504), 2 rb, 4.8 a, 0.7 st, 0.1 blk, 2.7 tov
Duncan: 16.3 (efg .523), 9.2 rb, 2 a, 0.3 st, 1.3 blk, 1.1 tov

Duncan was the main cog for the defense, by far. Parker is not in that realm as a defensive player. Duncan was always the most important player because of his elite all around game. Parker's offense wasn't that much different than Duncan's tbh, and he was in his prime! Even after the fact as Parker is playing terrible the past year and a half or so, Duncan is still the teams best player lol. It's amazing really. People come and go but Duncan is still chugging along at elite NBA levels.

But have a good Halloween man. I hate player comparisons but wanted to add my two cents lol.

[-TheDocOfDenial]

I'm not the one who said he was looking washed up in 2009 and 2010. That's really wrong.

You're focusing too much on being a first option as well. He hasn't declined after 2010 really, obviously from his prime years, but not in relation to his position in the NBA. Duncan was and still is the teams most important player since 1997. Even last year, he was the teams best player while taking on a bunch of elite players in their prime.

I'm not taking away anything from Duncan. He was still a good player in the playoffs for the spurs during their 2 finals runs. Washed up was the wrong word to use, but he was slowing down and it became evident he can not carry his team any more. Watching spurs game with their slow, pounding style was not working evident in their 4 game exit to the suns and then the grizzlies. That is why the spurs reinvented themselves. Ask most great players, the say they can still preform great if they had to play one game but the grind is what gets them. The reason duncan can play so well for so long is due to the minutes and rest system in place. I'm not focusing on being a first option or anything, but it was Tony Parker's team the last few years. The spurs go as he goes and this year with LMA, parker is now going to also take a step back. It is the spurs way and comparing players to Ducan's unique situation again makes no sense.

Duncan has only logged about 400 fewer minutes than Kobe. Sounds like you're marginalizing his greatness based on not only the "Spurs model", but raw stats as well. Just last year he was 4th in DWS, 14th in total WS, 9th in WS per48, 9th in Box Plus/Minus - so he's still tremendously valuable, although it may not be as apparent.

In no way, shape or form did I marginalize duncan's accomplishments the last couple of year and not all minutes are created equal. If you want to say Duncan has comparable mileage on his body to kobe I won't stop you but their playing position, usage and work rate on the floor would disagree with you. Duncan also plays a position that ages much better than Kobe's especially since he has great fundamentals for a big man.

Literally all I said was Duncan took a step back because he knew that he can win championships and that Kobe last year (for the 46 or what ever games he played) he did not because there was literally no incentive nor opportunity for him to do so.

[-TheDocOfDenial]

I'm not focusing on being a first option or anything, but it was Tony Parker's team the last few years.

Eh, I'm still not buying it.

Playoffs:
2012
Parker: 20.1 (efg .469), 3.6 rb, 6.8 a, 0.9 st, 0 blk, 3.1 tov
Duncan: 17.4 (efg .495), 9.4 rb, 2.8 a, 0.7 st, 2.1 blk, 1.5 tov

2013
Parker: 20.6 (efg .473), 3.2 rb, 7 a, 1.1 st, 0.1 blk, 2.5 tov
Duncan: 18.1 (efg .470), 10.2 rb, 1.9 a, 0.9 st, 1.6 blk, 2.0 tov

2014
Parker: 17.4 (efg .504), 2 rb, 4.8 a, 0.7 st, 0.1 blk, 2.7 tov
Duncan: 16.3 (efg .523), 9.2 rb, 2 a, 0.3 st, 1.3 blk, 1.1 tov

Duncan was the main cog for the defense, by far. Parker is not in that realm as a defensive player. Duncan was always the most important player because of his elite all around game. Parker's offense wasn't that much different than Duncan's tbh, and he was in his prime! Even after the fact as Parker is playing terrible the past year and a half or so, Duncan is still the teams best player lol. It's amazing really. People come and go but Duncan is still chugging along at elite NBA levels.

But have a good Halloween man. I hate player comparisons but wanted to add my two cents lol.

You too man this is all fun and games but in all honesty Leonard has been their best player the last two years and before that it was tony parker in my opinion.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Curry: 53 pts, 17-27 FGs, 8-14 3pt FGs, 11-11 FTs

[Kabookalu]

I'm not focusing on being a first option or anything, but it was Tony Parker's team the last few years.

Eh, I'm still not buying it.

Playoffs:
2012
Parker: 20.1 (efg .469), 3.6 rb, 6.8 a, 0.9 st, 0 blk, 3.1 tov
Duncan: 17.4 (efg .495), 9.4 rb, 2.8 a, 0.7 st, 2.1 blk, 1.5 tov

2013
Parker: 20.6 (efg .473), 3.2 rb, 7 a, 1.1 st, 0.1 blk, 2.5 tov
Duncan: 18.1 (efg .470), 10.2 rb, 1.9 a, 0.9 st, 1.6 blk, 2.0 tov

2014
Parker: 17.4 (efg .504), 2 rb, 4.8 a, 0.7 st, 0.1 blk, 2.7 tov
Duncan: 16.3 (efg .523), 9.2 rb, 2 a, 0.3 st, 1.3 blk, 1.1 tov

Duncan was the main cog for the defense, by far. Parker is not in that realm as a defensive player. Duncan was always the most important player because of his elite all around game. Parker's offense wasn't that much different than Duncan's tbh, and he was in his prime! Even after the fact as Parker is playing terrible the past year and a half or so, Duncan is still the teams best player lol. It's amazing really. People come and go but Duncan is still chugging along at elite NBA levels.

But have a good Halloween man. I hate player comparisons but wanted to add my two cents lol.

For what it's worth the Spurs did change their offense around Tony Parker in 2012, however he started declining gradually since. In 2013 was the first shades of their "team by committee" high octane ball movement we saw in 2014.

[-TheDocOfDenial]

So Curry is going for back to back MVPs and a repeat. Imagine we got curry instead of gunning for the 8th seed and getting 9th.

[hsb]

For what it's worth the Spurs did change their offense around Tony Parker in 2012, however he started declining gradually since. In 2013 was the first shades of their "team by committee" high octane ball movement we saw in 2014.

Yeah, but the numbers are what they are and Duncan is right there. Factor in defense (where Duncan's importance is immensely unquestionable) and it's really no contest who was the most important piece was those years. Last year Parker cost the Spurs the series, while Duncan was the best player lol. But to each their own for sure.

So Curry is going for back to back MVPs and a repeat. Imagine we got curry instead of gunning for the 8th seed and getting 9th.

Why did I watch the Knicks game lol. Damn.

[Thespianoid]

**** hell Steph. too unfair.

[raptor jesus]

So Curry is going for back to back MVPs and a repeat. Imagine we got curry instead of gunning for the 8th seed and getting 9th.

But you gotta admit, that historic 9-4 run with Marion was a lot of fun! At least that's what I tell myself...

[-TheDocOfDenial]

So Curry is going for back to back MVPs and a repeat. Imagine we got curry instead of gunning for the 8th seed and getting 9th.

But you gotta admit, that historic 9-4 run with Marion was a lot of fun! At least that's what I tell myself...

It is second place all time to PRIMO PASTAS 13 GAME GOAT STRETCH.

[Chriscross]

So Curry is going for back to back MVPs and a repeat. Imagine we got curry instead of gunning for the 8th seed and getting 9th.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think Colangelo would have taken him over DeRozan even if he had a chance (speculation on my part) and the Knicks missed out on him by one pick.

[Undefeated]

Griffin's midrange jumper is pretty much automatic now for the last year or so blending efficiency with volume. Still don't understand why he isn't considered one of the top shooting bigs with the likes of Dirk, Bosh, AD etc.

[JV4MVP]

Apologies but had to post a highlight video of this magnificent performance. He went 17-27 from the field, 8-14 from 3FG, 11-11 FT. Had 4 rbs, 9 asts, and 4 stls (and just 2 TOs). In 3 games thus far he has a PER of 45. He dropped 40 on the Pelicans in the first game of the season and went beast-mode again tonight.

He was always a great shooter but his ball handling, passing and playmaking abilities have greatly improved since his rookie year:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4sXdktFDEM[/youtube]

[yodamaster]

can't seem to find Curry 2s anywhere for sale... this is why... the dude is on permanent god-mode.

[AbC?]

35 minutes. Insane.

[wegetitin08]

And to think he wanted to be drafted to NY or Tor (at least)

[Boogie!]

we were 2 picks away from this guy... sucks...

[Boogie!]

also amazing that the twolves picked 2 point guards in the top 10, both ahead of curry, and they didnt even get the best one in the draft class. one of them is even out of the league now and the other one has been underwhelming and injury prone.

[Boogie!]

And to think he wanted to be drafted to NY or Tor (at least)

his wife is from toronto too... man we **** up... i guess hindsight is 20/20 but i wonder if we couldve moved up if we really wanted to... derozan for curry swap... hometown california kid for temporary torontonian with family ties....

[AbC?]

we were 2 picks away from this guy... sucks...

In true Raptors fashion, the team went 9-4 in their last 13 AFTER being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs to drop to the 9 spot in the draft. Still remember like it was yesterday.