Kevin Willis wrote:vini_vidi_vici wrote:This thread is straight out of the early 2000s. First start with ranking among a position, then evaluate guys based on FG%.
What happened to this place??
VVV how are you bud? You haven't been posting as much lately - I like your stat based threads. Keeping safe I hope.
I think given the situation (pandemic/etc..) its tough to say good, but I am safe thanks. Hope all is well with you and yours aswell.
I dont post as much, because I find I dont get as much out of it anymore. Its the same stuff over and over again, nothing really insightful like I used to get out of this place. Were talking about a volume 3PT shooter and his FG%, or some subjective analysis of where he ranks among "PGs", not tertiary creators or similar role players. Since youre looking for discourse, ill try.
FVV will be overpaid for next yr (saying anything beyond is tough, given the volatility of the cap), lets start there.
I want everyone to ask themselves a few questions.
1) Name all the "not overpaid" FA deals that are not generation talent/MLE/rookie scale signings?
2) Would you prefer an overpay (again relative to your random $$$/term, ppl never talk term for some reason), to letting the asset walk?
3) What asset could MU not manage to move (and likely get value from)??
Okay, this team is not rebuilding (yet), its going to try and score in '21 FA. Even with a signed FVV, we have enough flexibility (which means roster moves, perhaps even FVV) to sign a generational talent. Should it not succeed, we still maintain that flexibility/options. Retaining 26 yr olds with value, shouldnt even be a conversation.
So let talk FVV, not in terms of his status among PGs (I dont care about that), just the player. FVV is an elite 3+D as a floor.
- Among 80 players with >= 300 3PTAs last yr in RS, he was 25th in 3PT%. 3.2% high than league avg. Hes a career 39.3% shooter.
- Among 81 players with >= 200 3PTAs off C&S last yr in RS, he was 7th in 3PT%.
Defensively.
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Among 105 players who faced 600 DFGAs against, he was 14th in DFG differential.-
1st in deflections per game in the whole NBA.- T2nd in DEF loose balls recovered per game.
- 7th in contesting 3PTAs.
- 69th percentile vs PnR. 71st percentile vs SpotUps. Hes even in the 83rd percentile vs PostUps.
So we have no issues there. So lets expand his game offensively.
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Among 135 players with a USG% >= 21, hes 11th in ASTr.- He was T10th in secondary ASTs per game.
- 19th in Potential ASTs.
So hes a 3+D who can create for others. But what about himself??
- 17.6% of his points came off FTs.
- 58.3% of his FGM were UnASTd.
Okay so he does create alot for himself, but most important, how does he influence the team??
- The teams NetRTG is +4.3 with him on the court.
Even if you wanna argue, well hes carried by the KL mins, the Raps are a +5.6 NET when KLs off and hes on (so even better without KL, they are +4.0 together). Even in the POs, the Raps were a NET positive both when playing with KL and without.
I could dig deeper and deeper but, does FVV have his warts? What tertiary option doesnt?? I worry about his scoring inside the 3PT line. This isnt a Demar situation, where your only strength is volume shooting (despite becoming a very good passer his last yr) on middling to bad efficiency. These guys (FVV/PS) have multiple tools, and its disingenuous to say well look at his FG% as a PG, or whatever and dismiss them.
If the argument then becomes, as KL regresses then FVV becomes a 2nd option, were screwed is moot. He can still likely be traded for value (again, see MUS previous deals), and its not FVV (or Siakams) fault they are miscast as a step higher option than they should be. Its also why were likely maintaining flexibility for a trade or '21 to make our splash.