Suggs or Mobley?

[Young_Buc]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

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Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take.Both of these guys are going to be special.

Not so sure about Suggs to become 'special'. He's good (sometimes, very good) under Few's system in Zags. This not necessarily translates into being good or special as a Raptor. There were really good Zags but, in last 5-6 drafts only Sabonis reached all-star level. Olynik, Hashimura, Clarke remain role players while Pangos stays as tier 2 PG in Euroleague an Wiltjer completely disappeared. All of them flourished as Zags, but now...

Outside of the stache no Zags have ever been slated to go this high nor were they viewed as elite prospects. I view Suggs as a product of 90s UNC where the team system limits individual brilliance. For every Joseph Forte and Tyler Hansborough there was a Vince Carter and Rasheed Wallace. You just had to LOOK and see whose game translates with space. Suggs game definitely does.

[RaptorHusky]

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Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take.Both of these guys are going to be special.

Not so sure about Suggs to become 'special'. He's good (sometimes, very good) under Few's system in Zags. This not necessarily translates into being good or special as a Raptor. There were really good Zags but, in last 5-6 drafts only Sabonis reached all-star level. Olynik, Hashimura, Clarke remain role players while Pangos stays as tier 2 PG in Euroleague an Wiltjer completely disappeared. All of them flourished as Zags, but now...

Outside of the stache no Zags have ever been slated to go this high nor were they viewed as elite prospects. I view Suggs as a product of 90s UNC where the team system limits individual brilliance. For every Joseph Forte and Tyler Hansborough there was a Vince Carter and Rasheed Wallace. You just had to LOOK and see whose game translates with space. Suggs game definitely does.

Agree and hope with some grain of salt. btw, I voted my hope for Suggs and hell, I so much don't want to be disappointed by another Zag and Raps' choice...

[God Squad]

I went with Mobley because I think he has a top two ceiling in this draft.

[6ixpessant]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

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Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take. Both of these guys are going to be special.

I didn't say that, both are fine players, but neither of them are going to have the impact that is being suggested from what I have seen from both players. However, I'm just a lowly fan like the rest of us. I think that there are a couple of guys that will come later in the lottery that have higher ceilings and that I would be more interested in.

Guys get overrated by fanbases because of all the mock drafts basically saying the same things, media covering the same guys. We've seen a ton of top 5 players not become more than role players. That said, Green moves the needle for me.

[JJ From Deep]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

???????

Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take. Both of these guys are going to be special.

I didn't say that, both are fine players, but neither of them are going to have the impact that is being suggested from what I have seen from both players. However, I'm just a lowly fan like the rest of us. I think that there are a couple of guys that will come later in the lottery that have higher ceilings and that I would be more interested in.

Guys get overrated by fanbases because of all the mock drafts basically saying the same things, media covering the same guys. We've seen a ton of top 5 players not become more than role players. That said, Green moves the needle for me.

"Moving the needle" is a phrase used to gauge the talent level on a team's roster. If you think either of these guys can come in and even make marginal difference positively, then your needle has been moved lol. But by saying neither move the needle, that implies that you're saying you don't think either of them make a difference at all, which would be incorrect.

In conclusion: both Suggs and Mobley successfully move our collective needles

[6ixpessant]

???????

Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take. Both of these guys are going to be special.

I didn't say that, both are fine players, but neither of them are going to have the impact that is being suggested from what I have seen from both players. However, I'm just a lowly fan like the rest of us. I think that there are a couple of guys that will come later in the lottery that have higher ceilings and that I would be more interested in.

Guys get overrated by fanbases because of all the mock drafts basically saying the same things, media covering the same guys. We've seen a ton of top 5 players not become more than role players. That said, Green moves the needle for me.

"Moving the needle" is a phrase used to gauge the talent level on a team's roster. If you think either of these guys can come in and even make marginal difference positively, then your needle has been moved lol. But by saying neither move the needle, that implies that you're saying you don't think either of them make a difference at all, which would be incorrect.

In conclusion: both Suggs and Mobley successfully move our collective needles

Well, you and I define the phrase differently and that's ok.

[JJ From Deep]

I didn't say that, both are fine players, but neither of them are going to have the impact that is being suggested from what I have seen from both players. However, I'm just a lowly fan like the rest of us. I think that there are a couple of guys that will come later in the lottery that have higher ceilings and that I would be more interested in.

Guys get overrated by fanbases because of all the mock drafts basically saying the same things, media covering the same guys. We've seen a ton of top 5 players not become more than role players. That said, Green moves the needle for me.

"Moving the needle" is a phrase used to gauge the talent level on a team's roster. If you think either of these guys can come in and even make marginal difference positively, then your needle has been moved lol. But by saying neither move the needle, that implies that you're saying you don't think either of them make a difference at all, which would be incorrect.

In conclusion: both Suggs and Mobley successfully move our collective needles

Well, you and I define the phrase differently and that's ok.

I guess but think about it like a gas tank needle. You’re at half tank, pull into the station. Whether you put in $5 or $50, the needle moves because it’s adding talent (fuel) to your roster (gas tank).

[6ixpessant]

"Moving the needle" is a phrase used to gauge the talent level on a team's roster. If you think either of these guys can come in and even make marginal difference positively, then your needle has been moved lol. But by saying neither move the needle, that implies that you're saying you don't think either of them make a difference at all, which would be incorrect.

In conclusion: both Suggs and Mobley successfully move our collective needles

Well, you and I define the phrase differently and that's ok.

I guess but think about it like a gas tank needle. You’re at half tank, pull into the station. Whether you put in $5 or $50, the needle moves because it’s adding talent (fuel) to your roster (gas tank).

There was a key word in my statement, which I'll put in bold.

"Neither player moves the needle for me."

Have a great weekend.

[omar36]

i think Mobley has a higher ceiling but a much lower floor. he's much riskier then Suggs who i think at the very least is going to be a serviceable back up

[BBallInSight]

I think Mobley is missing the mental capability to become an elite player in the NBA.

[Basketball_Jones]

I think Mobley is missing the mental capability to become an elite player in the NBA.

I don’t know, he looks pretty intense and focused out there

[Raps1103]

I think Mobley is missing the mental capability to become an elite player in the NBA.

What are U basing this on? What do you know about this kids mental state, mental capabilities ? Seriously .. how could you possibly know/think that at this point in his career ?

[North_of_Border]

If Houston picks Green, who the Cavs think is ideal for them, then Cavs will pick Suggs. They seem to be motivated to deal Sexton out because of his price tag. They can’t pass on an elite Guard. Thus Raptors get Mobley

If Houston picks Mobley, Cavs get their guard Green, Raptors then get Suggs.

Or the most least likely scenario. Houston takes Mobley. Then the Cavs think Suggs is their guard. This Raptors get Green.

Or Houston takes Suggs and Cavs like the big man. We get Green

[C_Money]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

???????

Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take. Both of these guys are going to be special.

I didn't say that, both are fine players, but neither of them are going to have the impact that is being suggested from what I have seen from both players. However, I'm just a lowly fan like the rest of us. I think that there are a couple of guys that will come later in the lottery that have higher ceilings and that I would be more interested in.

Guys get overrated by fanbases because of all the mock drafts basically saying the same things, media covering the same guys. We've seen a ton of top 5 players not become more than role players. That said, Green moves the needle for me.

This is my opinion as well. There’s guys later in the draft that I like more than Suggs and Mobley. And when you look at all the previous drafts its basically a crapshoot. The best player ends up going 10th or 16th etc.

Hopefully Masai is thinking outside the box on this one and looking at everybody.

[TGM]

Both are great. But I think it will come down to what Masai thinks of the FA market. If we feel we can land. R Holmes, J Allen or Collins type of guy with our cap space via S and T than I say you take Suggs. But if the C market is going to be thin, I think you take Mobley as we still have Fred and Flynn.

Beggar can’t be chooser so who ever that falls to us. What would be amazing is if Orlando and OKC are both obsessed with Scottie Barnes and end up offering us say 5 and 8. Then we could still end up with Suggs and maybe also a Jalen Johnson as well.

[v1n5anity]

I went with Suggs. He just gives off this winner vibe to him. But I'm good if we get Mobley too. It's just not a sexy pick.

[Spida888]

Both guys have high IQs which raises their floor. I went with Mobley because I think he has the higher ceiling. If Mobley or Green is available at 3 we should trade up. Don’t be passive about it unless our FO considers them equal talents.

[agentzero2010]

Mobley. And it’s not even close. Suggs could be an Allstar but Mobley can be an anchor on both ends of the floor. Mobley looks like a more fluid Bam Adebyo with a definitive position and play style. I’m just not sure what Suggs is, is he a point guard or a shooting guard? Is Suggs a quicker, more athletic and larger Fred VanVleet?

[Tor_Raps]

Mobley. And it’s not even close. Suggs could be an Allstar but Mobley can be an anchor on both ends of the floor. Mobley looks like a more fluid Bam Adebyo with a definitive position and play style. I’m just not sure what Suggs is, is he a point guard or a shooting guard? Is Suggs a quicker, more athletic and larger Fred VanVleet?

While I get what you're saying, a quicker/more athletic/larger Vanvleet is one of the best players in the NBA lol.

[Rapsalot]

I understand the concept of BPA. I also understand the concept of building a team. I think OG is very good to great but it is a waste of his talent to play him at C when he is 90% effective at Forward but only 66% effective at C and will wear down over 82 games. I think all 4 of the top 4 could be very good to great or could be just be decent? With all of the potential being close on the BPA scale I would want Mobley or Green assuming Cade goes #1.

Why?
The Raptors team below Management have 3 big concerns: 1 cap management (that is why NP is gone and GTJ is here) 2 elite scorer 3 Center holes.
I will admit elite scorers and Centers take a few years to grow especially if they are young and only had one year to play college or other. Look at Kobe he was in league 3-4 years before he was elite. Again MJ 3rd year goes crazy at 23.
So either Green or Mobley will take about 3 years to really deliver. Remember they are playing against other great men and will have to learn to dominate.
I believe FVV can be good to Very Good PG in league his finish at the rim is his top weakness along with speed. If he can develop a floater to shoot accurately over bigs as they move back in lane he will be very good to great. That is an if? GTJ we don’t know exactly what we have? He could just be what he is today a good starter to very good off bench. He is still young and did not get as many reps on Portland as you would like to know. I still believe he can grow but will he become more clutch?

With all this said if I’m MU, Bobby or whoever is running Raps I go after Mobley hard even a trade up to Houston unless they are just crazy to get him!
Again why? 1 even if the C is not perfect this year I think by year 3 we’re golden for a run like Phoenix 2 Mobley helps the cap so much by balancing talent and salaries for next 4 years. For me if you draft green or Suggs we should trade FVV or GTJ next offseason to build a better balanced team. 3 I don’t think you can build all your scoring around a C in the current NBA but I do think Cs can be clutch enough to have a 10 point run in the 4th to win you a game. Right now we are paying PS to be that guy but maybe he is just part of that guy? Maybe GTJ is part of the guy too and maybe Mobley with his jump hook, and if he gets a turnaround J can be part of that guy?

The Spurs won a number of titles that way. The first GSW title was that way. Even if you have that guy you always have to have 1-2 more real close that can help.
Suggs looks to be good to very good player in the league but he is most redundant on our team. Green “can” be something we don’t have. Mobley even if he make a marginal jump and add 20 LBs in 3 years is something we don’t have. That is why we should do everything reasonable and maybe a little beyond to draft him!