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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#101 » by Ell Curry » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:30 am

Saul Goodman wrote:Flynn
Boucher


For


Derrick Jones JR
2022 Portland 1st
2022 Chicago 2nd



Give Masai as many picks as we possibly can. Flynn looks like he’s been lapped on the depth chart by Banton.


I think we'd do this without the Chicago 2nd. Nurse already prefers Svi to Flynn at the moment and once Siakam is back to take Boucher's minutes (and another 20) and add some scoring that might see Yuta's 3 and D game pass Boucher anyways (which feels odd to say coming off Boucher's great defensive game, but Nurse likes Yuta and he fits the new scheme (though so does Boucher).
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Post#102 » by Lord_Zedd » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:43 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:Flynn
Boucher


For


Derrick Jones JR
2022 Portland 1st
2022 Chicago 2nd



Give Masai as many picks as we possibly can. Flynn looks like he’s been lapped on the depth chart by Banton.


Don;t see why Chicago would want Flynn when they already have Colby White and Caruso as their backup guards.

They could definitely use Boucher though......
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#103 » by Saul Goodman » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:34 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:Flynn
Boucher


For


Derrick Jones JR
2022 Portland 1st
2022 Chicago 2nd

True just evening the scales so to speak. I just like the idea of getting an extra 1st while not hurting the on court product at all.

Give Masai as many picks as we possibly can. Flynn looks like he’s been lapped on the depth chart by Banton.


Don;t see why Chicago would want Flynn when they already have Colby White and Caruso as their backup guards.

They could definitely use Boucher though......
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Post#104 » by h4rrison » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:32 am

Can we get Rubio for cheap?

He’d be an upgrade to our starting backcourt with shifting Fred to sg and sending gtj to the bench. Rubio can’t shoot but he’s a good passer and plays defense.
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Post#105 » by wegotthabeet » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:44 am

Maybe Jamal Murray is attainable if he's out for the season. Don't know if it's realistic at all, but maybe it makes sense for both sides. I like the fit with the rest of our lineup.

Murray + filler for VV + GTJ + Boucher.

Toronto 2022-2023 Lineup

Murray
Anunoby
Barnes
Siakam
Achiuwa

Bench - Banton, Birch, Flynn, Watanabe, Svi, Harris (maybe) + 2022 FRP

Denver 2022 lineup

Vanvleet - Morris
Barton - Trent Jr.
Porter Jr. - Green
Gordon - Green
Jokic - Boucher

Toronto gets a potential elite scoring guard. Denver gets more depth for a deep playoff run and Porter Jr. becomes the 2nd option.
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Post#106 » by HumbleRen » Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:21 pm

We need to get Cam Reddish somehow.
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Post#107 » by StopitLeo » Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:26 pm

Ell Curry wrote:IF we keep FVV and Siakam and assume the plan is to go smaller at the 5, the core of the team going forward is starting to take shape: when you look at minutes:

Fred - 38
OG - 34
Barnes 34
Trent 33
Achiuwa 26

Birch 20
Dragic 16
Svi 15
Boucher 12
Banton 7

If we give the Boucher and Birch minutes and 3 of Fred's minutes to Siakam that puts it like this:

Fred - 35
Siakam 35
OG 34
Barnes 34
Trent 33
Achiuwa 26

Dragic + Svi + Birch + Banton 38

So, Option 1:

The 2022 first rounder presumably goes to a wing shooter or guard to replace say 20-25 of the Dragic + Svi minutes, with Banton taking the rest.

Achiuwa/Barnes/someone tall
Siakam/Barnes
OG/Barnes
Trent/2022 1st
VanVleet/Banton

Obviously Barnes would still start but that shows playing time and roles more.

Option 2:

If we want a proper full-time center and to play Banton as the backup PG and OG a fair amount at the 2 instead we could also draft a proper center to take the minute Birch now takes.

If you look at it that way it's starting to feel like we have 6 guys we like and their roles are as follows:

Achiuwa/2022 1st
Siakam/Barnes
Barnes/OG
OG/Trent
VanVleet/Banton

and Banton will fill one spot (with people sliding accordingly if we want more shooting/creation and he's not just the backup 1) with the 2022 pick hopefully being another good pick and filling that spot.

Option 3:

We take another forward with size and skill and if they do hit, play all 4 of Siakam, Barnes, OG and that pick and depending on the matchup and who's playing well the 5th guy is another longboi, a traditional center or Van Vleet.


I like how you've laid this out. Unless we are bringing in an All-NBA level player I don't think we will see any significant moves this year because we need to see how things look as the rotation shapes up once Pascal returns and as Scottie develops. With Pascal playing it will be more clear where the biggest roster deficiencies are. I don't think SG will be as big of an issue as it currently is if we have a guy on the wing who can handle the ball and score consistently, which is what Pascal is expected to do.

In terms of priorities I think we need a bigger body up front. Poeltl would be perfect but I'm not sure we have what the Spurs need.
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Post#108 » by Kinger95 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:03 pm

We need to consolidate some of our players into quality instead of quantity.

The salary’s that we have should make most trades doable

If it looks like we won’t be finishing in the bottom 10 I’d trade our pick too depending on the player.

What teams are potentially gonna have a top player want out or on the block depending on how the year goes. I’m not here to debate wether guys like KAT/Porzingis are worth what they make but they for sure beat what we have.

Would anyone do gallo for dragic? Hawks are notoriously cheap plus gallo really helps our shooting and scoring and with reddish and hunter and Heurter he’s a luxury got the hawks at this point.

Have to think there’s gonna be a couple decent guys available in February

Plus free agency looks like garbage this year so guys on 2 year deals are more attractive. Honestly our bigs are so bad it would be interesting to see how guys like-horford/Steven Adams/Myles Turner /wiseman/Christian wood/Ayton /bagley - what they would cost/be available
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Post#109 » by Saul Goodman » Fri Oct 29, 2021 5:44 pm

Would OKC give one of their 100 picks for Flynn? 2023 Denver 1st for Flynn would be a very fair move for both sides.
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Post#110 » by C-R-E-A-M- » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:31 pm

chicago is gonna be desperate for a 4 since Pwill is out for the season. What can we finesse them for Boucher?
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Post#111 » by Bruin » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:17 pm

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:chicago is gonna be desperate for a 4 since Pwill is out for the season. What can we finesse them for Boucher?

I want that Portland pick. Don’t really care what the salary filler is. Could he Troy Brown or it DJJ for all I care

Alternatively, I’d be open to a Siakam move for a package that involves Patrick Williams himself+picks
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Post#112 » by sogood » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:11 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:Would OKC give one of their 100 picks for Flynn? 2023 Denver 1st for Flynn would be a very fair move for both sides.


They just drafted Tre Mann and Flynn ain't worth a first.
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Post#113 » by Gold Dragon » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:35 pm

It is hard to find a match for Dragic without taking much salary back. This one makes sense, especially if Rose gets hurt and the Knicks look like they are in the mix.

Tor gets: Alec Burks, Kevin Knox, Jericho Sims, Wayne Selden (makes salaries work), drop Dekker to make room
NYK gets: Dragic, Flynn, David Johnson

Burks only has one more guaranteed year on his contract. We will be very thin on PG depth after this
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#114 » by Ell Curry » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:34 am

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C-R-E-A-M- wrote:chicago is gonna be desperate for a 4 since Pwill is out for the season. What can we finesse them for Boucher?

I want that Portland pick. Don’t really care what the salary filler is. Could he Troy Brown or it DJJ for all I care

Alternatively, I’d be open to a Siakam move for a package that involves Patrick Williams himself+picks


Injured guys don't really get dealt but I'm always intrigued by it because a team that is tanking can trade for Patrick Williams and it doesn't hurt their tank at all while the Bulls would get a replacement this year they need badly.

I could see the Bulls looking to do something like Coby White for TJ Warren if they think he can stay healthy and be resigned.

Troy Brown I think is playing well for them, but DJJ is out of the rotation so yeah, DJJ and the Portland pick for Boucher, Flynn and Yuta sounds plausible to me. Bulls get a couple cheap bench players and Boucher as their 4.
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Post#115 » by Ell Curry » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:36 am

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:chicago is gonna be desperate for a 4 since Pwill is out for the season. What can we finesse them for Boucher?


Maybe something like this:

Bulls: Boucher, Flynn
Raptors: DJJ, (late 1st or young player from Team X)
Team X: Coby White
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Post#116 » by RonaldArtest » Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:15 am

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:chicago is gonna be desperate for a 4 since Pwill is out for the season. What can we finesse them for Boucher?

Personally I don’t think a team is going to give up a FRP for Boucher, but I’d love to get Ayo Dosunmu. That kid has a lot of potential to be a solid 2-way player.

DJJ + Dosunmu + Simonovic
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Boucher + Flynn + Watanabe
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#117 » by skywalker33 » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:37 am

wegotthabeet wrote:Maybe Jamal Murray is attainable if he's out for the season. Don't know if it's realistic at all, but maybe it makes sense for both sides. I like the fit with the rest of our lineup.

Murray + filler for VV + GTJ + Boucher.

Toronto 2022-2023 Lineup

Murray
Anunoby
Barnes
Siakam
Achiuwa

Bench - Banton, Birch, Flynn, Watanabe, Svi, Harris (maybe) + 2022 FRP

Denver 2022 lineup

Vanvleet - Morris
Barton - Trent Jr.
Porter Jr. - Green
Gordon - Green
Jokic - Boucher

Toronto gets a potential elite scoring guard. Denver gets more depth for a deep playoff run and Porter Jr. becomes the 2nd option.


Murray is NOY available, he'll be back around the ASB then join Jokic to lead us to the Chip !!
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Exactly as I've been saying all along !!
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#118 » by Saul Goodman » Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:27 pm

What about if Memphis is making a playoff push…

Dragic


For

Jarret Culver
Tyus Jones
2nd rounder



We get a reclamation project of a player in culver and another flier pick
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Post#119 » by mademan » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:27 pm

i think the writings on the wall with Siakam being here. Youre gonna at some point have to choose 2 of OG/Siakam/Barnes and i think Siakam as at the bottom of that totem pole due to age. I'd look long and hard at a Coby White/Pat Will/portland 1st deal
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Post#120 » by Bruin » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:28 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:Maybe Jamal Murray is attainable if he's out for the season. Don't know if it's realistic at all, but maybe it makes sense for both sides. I like the fit with the rest of our lineup.

Murray + filler for VV + GTJ + Boucher.

Toronto 2022-2023 Lineup

Murray
Anunoby
Barnes
Siakam
Achiuwa

Bench - Banton, Birch, Flynn, Watanabe, Svi, Harris (maybe) + 2022 FRP

Denver 2022 lineup

Vanvleet - Morris
Barton - Trent Jr.
Porter Jr. - Green
Gordon - Green
Jokic - Boucher

Toronto gets a potential elite scoring guard. Denver gets more depth for a deep playoff run and Porter Jr. becomes the 2nd option.


Murray is NOY available, he'll be back around the ASB then join Jokic to lead us to the Chip !!

Hope he comes back strong. Rooting for you guys
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