Dalano Banton Discussion / Appreciation

kirkwood · Post #101 » by **kirkwood** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:22 am

Starting to think the Raptors and Banton worked together to ensure he landed in Toronto.

Kids special

B-Ball Freak · Post #102 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:22 am

Looking like one of the steals of the draft

Basketball_Jones · Post #103 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:28 am

Three point shot looks money damn…

OakleyDokely · Post #104 » by **OakleyDokely** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:29 am

Banton, OG, Barnes, Siakam, Precious. Get ready.

everdiso · Post #105 » by **everdiso** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:29 am

everdiso wrote:
lobosloboslobos wrote:
YelloC wrote:I feel that with his build and shiftiness he kind of reminds me of Tayshaun Prince who had an ugly shot that he developed to be effective. Banton has more PG skills whereas Prince was a advanced defender.
Banton seems much quicker than Livingston and Kyle Anderson.

he definitely has those lanky and shifty Tayshaun Prince vibes. long, lean, smart and dangerous 2-way player who didn't excel at any one thing but just seemed to be generally good at everything. would be very happy if Dalano reached that level in a few years.

I think calling him shifty understates just how damn fast Dalano is.

It's not just hustle that makes him an instant energy boost to the team - it's his fantastic speed+stride combo that lets him cover so much ground so quickly.

Did i say fast?

I meant faaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssttttttt.

WuTang_CMB · Post #106 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:30 am

Nurse layed the hammer tonight. Cleary loves banton. Ans his impact is evident every game. Brougut much more than dragic whos on decline.

Might as well send him to
Deep end this year. If hes getting 15+min thats good. I still would like him to spend some time
In g league

everdiso · Post #107 » by **everdiso** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:46 am

Banton is like Simmons if Simmons could shoot 3s.

Johnny Bball · Post #108 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:46 am

aminiaturebuddha wrote:I was fully on the "he should get lots of development minutes in the G-League" bandwagon, but after tonight, I'm starting to re-think that. If they're going to give him minutes with the big club, maybe he can learn the game even better there, while helping the team win.

I'll admit, I didn't think he was ready. Sure, he'll still have some wild plays, bad turnovers, and missed shots, but he definitely affects the game. And if he's getting in lots of practice with Nurse's shooting school, that's probably the biggest development piece for him.

I thought for sure he would have to play in the G-league a bunch (after the draft) but he had four games before the g-league started and earned a longer look. I'm not certain he doesn't end up in the g-league for parts of this year, because that would surely help him as well, but he's been great so far. Its a long season though. Either way he looks like a guy that will stick and be able to play at a higher level than anyone first imagined.

sidsid · Post #109 » by **sidsid** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:56 am

everdiso wrote:Banton is like Simmons if Simmons could shoot 3s.

We joke about Simmons, but Banton can't afford to not have some form of jumper (he's not big enough to justify not having one).

It's the reason he still needs those G league minutes. He needs to chuck and chuck all day long. Have an absolute Westbrookian shot selection.

As long as he develops a spot or two - a mid range pull-up area, or a set three spot - where he's a plus shooter, he's good to go from there.

mdenny · Post #110 » by **mdenny** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:12 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:I was fully on the "he should get lots of development minutes in the G-League" bandwagon, but after tonight, I'm starting to re-think that. If they're going to give him minutes with the big club, maybe he can learn the game even better there, while helping the team win.

I'll admit, I didn't think he was ready. Sure, he'll still have some wild plays, bad turnovers, and missed shots, but he definitely affects the game. And if he's getting in lots of practice with Nurse's shooting school, that's probably the biggest development piece for him.

I thought for sure he would have to play in the G-league a bunch (after the draft) but he had four games before the g-league started and earned a longer look. I'm not certain he doesn't end up in the g-league for parts of this year, because that would surely help him as well, but he's been great so far. Its a long season though. Either way he looks like a guy that will stick and be able to play at a higher level than anyone first imagined.

Thing is.....he's so good on defense I can't see Nurse wanting to send him down. If there's one thing we know about Nurse....he has no problem playing guys who struggle offensively. Playing time is mostly a function of defense.

This is actually shocking imo. I mean.....I haven't done this yet....but we should list all the 45th picks of the past 20 years and see how good they are. I'm not sure most ppl realize how rare this is. And that's WITHOUT considering that he wasn't on almost any pundit's draft boards.

I expected some of the raps' picks to start levelling out in expected return. We just further cemented our already #1 relative draft efficiency and #2 wasn't even close BEFORE this year's draft.

Gold Dragon · Post #111 » by **Gold Dragon** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:13 am

Raps are riding the Banton Bus.

Johnny Bball · Post #112 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:13 am

mdenny wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
aminiaturebuddha wrote:I was fully on the "he should get lots of development minutes in the G-League" bandwagon, but after tonight, I'm starting to re-think that. If they're going to give him minutes with the big club, maybe he can learn the game even better there, while helping the team win.

I'll admit, I didn't think he was ready. Sure, he'll still have some wild plays, bad turnovers, and missed shots, but he definitely affects the game. And if he's getting in lots of practice with Nurse's shooting school, that's probably the biggest development piece for him.

I thought for sure he would have to play in the G-league a bunch (after the draft) but he had four games before the g-league started and earned a longer look. I'm not certain he doesn't end up in the g-league for parts of this year, because that would surely help him as well, but he's been great so far. Its a long season though. Either way he looks like a guy that will stick and be able to play at a higher level than anyone first imagined.

Thing is.....he's so good on defense I can't see Nurse wanting to send him down. If there's one thing we know about Nurse....he has no problem playing guys who struggle offensively. Playing time is mostly a function of defense.

This is actually shocking imo. I mean.....I haven't done this yet....but we should list all the 45th picks of the past 20 years and see how good they are. I'm not sure most ppl realize how rare this is.

He can shuttle him back and forth between games right? Like full G-league games and bench minutes raptor games? We've done that right before the bench mob year right?

Oh and for those 25 or younger....

Watch on YouTube

mdenny · Post #113 » by **mdenny** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:18 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
mdenny wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
I thought for sure he would have to play in the G-league a bunch (after the draft) but he had four games before the g-league started and earned a longer look. I'm not certain he doesn't end up in the g-league for parts of this year, because that would surely help him as well, but he's been great so far. Its a long season though. Either way he looks like a guy that will stick and be able to play at a higher level than anyone first imagined.

Thing is.....he's so good on defense I can't see Nurse wanting to send him down. If there's one thing we know about Nurse....he has no problem playing guys who struggle offensively. Playing time is mostly a function of defense.

This is actually shocking imo. I mean.....I haven't done this yet....but we should list all the 45th picks of the past 20 years and see how good they are. I'm not sure most ppl realize how rare this is.

He can shuttle him back and forth between games right? Like full G-league games and bench minutes raptor games? We've done that right before the bench mob year right?

Oh and for those 25 or younger....

Watch on YouTube

I guess so. But nurse was already raving about him before tonight. I don't know man.....there's no reason to send him down if he's getting minutes like tonight.

I expected some of the raps' picks to start levelling out in expected return. It's usually how anomalies work. We just further cemented our already #1 relative draft efficiency and #2 wasn't even close BEFORE this year's draft.

I was saying in the game thread. This is starting to border on sorcery.

Psubs · Post #114 » by **Psubs** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:39 am

Banton is already Patrick McCaw reaching full potential.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #115 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:45 am

Yeah, he's a quick learner. That's good to see.

Marmoset · Post #116 » by **Marmoset** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:58 am

mdenny wrote:Thing is.....he's so good on defense I can't see Nurse wanting to send him down. If there's one thing we know about Nurse....he has no problem playing guys who struggle offensively. Playing time is mostly a function of defense.

This is actually shocking imo. I mean.....I haven't done this yet....but we should list all the 45th picks of the past 20 years and see how good they are. I'm not sure most ppl realize how rare this is. And that's WITHOUT considering that he wasn't on almost any pundit's draft boards.

I expected some of the raps' picks to start levelling out in expected return. We just further cemented our already #1 relative draft efficiency and #2 wasn't even close BEFORE this year's draft.

He was actually the 46th pick (yes, nitpicking here). You got me interested in this for who-knows-what reason, and it seems like the 46th pick is actually somewhat of a magic number. Look at this list of recent #46 picks:

2021 - Dalano Banton
2020 - C.J. Elleby
2019 - Talen Horton-Tucker
2018 - De'Anthony Melton
2017 - Sterling Brown
2016 - A.J. Hammons
2015 - Norman Powell
2014 - Jordan Clarkson

Sure, there are no HOF guys here, but that's much better than I expected. To be fair, beyond 2014 I saw some names I've never heard of. And if you looked at the full range of picks you would see a much lower chance of the pick turning into a NBA player.

More on topic - Banton is awesome.

I have no idea how somebody with these skills makes it to pick 46. Even a guy like Norm who turned into a very good player wasn't teasing with these types of plays early in his rookie season.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #117 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:11 am

What’s surprising is that his jump shot looks a lot better than what it looked like in summer league.

Both Barnes and Blanton look much improved on their form. This development system is going into god tier mode if they both turn out to have decent jump shots.

JN · Post #118 » by JN » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:23 am

Marmoset wrote:
mdenny wrote:Thing is.....he's so good on defense I can't see Nurse wanting to send him down. If there's one thing we know about Nurse....he has no problem playing guys who struggle offensively. Playing time is mostly a function of defense.

This is actually shocking imo. I mean.....I haven't done this yet....but we should list all the 45th picks of the past 20 years and see how good they are. I'm not sure most ppl realize how rare this is. And that's WITHOUT considering that he wasn't on almost any pundit's draft boards.

I expected some of the raps' picks to start levelling out in expected return. We just further cemented our already #1 relative draft efficiency and #2 wasn't even close BEFORE this year's draft.

He was actually the 46th pick (yes, nitpicking here). You got me interested in this for who-knows-what reason, and it seems like the 46th pick is actually somewhat of a magic number. Look at this list of recent #46 picks:

2021 - Dalano Banton
2020 - C.J. Elleby
2019 - Talen Horton-Tucker
2018 - De'Anthony Melton
2017 - Sterling Brown
2016 - A.J. Hammons
2015 - Norman Powell
2014 - Jordan Clarkson

Sure, there are no HOF guys here, but that's much better than I expected. To be fair, beyond 2014 I saw some names I've never heard of. And if you looked at the full range of picks you would see a much lower chance of the pick turning into a NBA player.

More on topic - Banton is awesome. I have no idea how somebody with these skills makes it to pick 46. Even a guy like Norm who turned into a very good player wasn't teasing with these types of plays early in his rookie season.

I am going to guess that #46 spot is an anomaly.
If you stack the list of #44, #45, #47 it will likely be nowhere near as good.
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MikeM · Post #119 » by **MikeM** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:24 am

sidsid wrote:
everdiso wrote:Banton is like Simmons if Simmons could shoot 3s.

We joke about Simmons, but Banton can't afford to not have some form of jumper (he's not big enough to justify not having one).

It's the reason he still needs those G league minutes. He needs to chuck and chuck all day long. Have an absolute Westbrookian shot selection.

As long as he develops a spot or two - a mid range pull-up area, or a set three spot - where he's a plus shooter, he's good to go from there.

I think he can probably be effective in the NBA right now but I agree that he should be in the G League just chucking the **** out of the ball. Even for like a month. Just take 100 3s in game. Banton with a jump shot is a scary player.

JN · Post #120 » by JN » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:29 am

Regarding second rounders he is currently 4th in minutes.

Herb Jones, leads second rounders in minutes. He gets 23.0 minutes a game with New Orleans producing a Patrick McCaw level statline. (2.0 pts, 2.8 rebs, 1.5 asts, in 23 minutes inlcluding a TS% of 36%). This all results in a glorious PER of 2.8. Not sure what the reason is they are playing him so much.