Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[hype_2004]

Come on the guy was terrible. Nothing to do with shots. Terrible decision making and defence. He is a rookie playing way more than he should and nights like this will happen. To need to sugar coat it.

GTFouhere, this kid is capable he's the 5th option, we're winning games, full strength, who's sugar coating what?

[Tripod]

Clearly dealing with nagging lower body issues.

He is back to looking "clunky" and heavy footed like he did in the summer league.

He should get an extra game off the next time we play a team dealing with Covid

[hype_2004]

Is it me? Or does he seem less aggressive ever since OG came back. He use to always take the mismatches to the basket and get an easy basket. Now it seems like he's always trying to pass it and defer to OG, Siakam and Fred.

If Devonte Graham is guarding you, you get your buckets!

He's always been less assertive than he should be on offense and he was learning to take more initiative with OG or Siakam out but with everyone back, now he's falling back to his old habits. That's something he's going to have to learn.

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

[AbC?]

He had better be nursing some kind of injury because he looks like the least athletic player on the court a lot of the time.

His inability to get to the rim in general is a concern. He’s been having success with his short push shots and half hooks off his post-ups but I can’t recall him just driving on his man and finishing with a layup.

[HiJiNX]

Is it me? Or does he seem less aggressive ever since OG came back. He use to always take the mismatches to the basket and get an easy basket. Now it seems like he's always trying to pass it and defer to OG, Siakam and Fred.

If Devonte Graham is guarding you, you get your buckets!

He's always been less assertive than he should be on offense and he was learning to take more initiative with OG or Siakam out but with everyone back, now he's falling back to his old habits. That's something he's going to have to learn.

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

Nope. Scottie has to show it consistently first. Nothing given. Everything earned. That’ll make him better. He needs to improve his handle and jumper and to have more than one post move. He’s gotta figure it out.

[RalphWiggum]

There's some holes nobody wants to address.

[everdiso]

Kids gotta wake up.

Way too casual on both ends.

[HumbleRen]

He had better be nursing some kind of injury because he looks like the least athletic player on the court a lot of the time.

His inability to get to the rim in general is a concern. He’s been having success with his short push shots and half hooks off his post-ups but I can’t recall him just driving on his man and finishing with a layup.

Been saying it for the entire season, people just kept telling me about his stationary work out results while ignoring his actual athleticism on the court.

He doesn't have a quick first step, never blows by anyone, etc etc. There's some serious limitations that he has, it was a miracle he was playing so well despite those falws.

[kalel123]

Is it me? Or does he seem less aggressive ever since OG came back. He use to always take the mismatches to the basket and get an easy basket. Now it seems like he's always trying to pass it and defer to OG, Siakam and Fred.

If Devonte Graham is guarding you, you get your buckets!

He's always been less assertive than he should be on offense and he was learning to take more initiative with OG or Siakam out but with everyone back, now he's falling back to his old habits. That's something he's going to have to learn.

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

That's not how you build a team or a player.

[prelude00]

He's always been less assertive than he should be on offense and he was learning to take more initiative with OG or Siakam out but with everyone back, now he's falling back to his old habits. That's something he's going to have to learn.

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

That's not how you build a team or a player.

Yeah lol. That's definitely not how the raptors develop players and I'd say they know a thing or two about that. Way more than anyone on rgm does (unless they work for the raps).

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[kalel123]

He had better be nursing some kind of injury because he looks like the least athletic player on the court a lot of the time.

His inability to get to the rim in general is a concern. He’s been having success with his short push shots and half hooks off his post-ups but I can’t recall him just driving on his man and finishing with a layup.

Been saying it for the entire season, people just kept telling me about his stationary work out results while ignoring his actual athleticism on the court.

He doesn't have a quick first step, never blows by anyone, etc etc. There's some serious limitations that he has, it was a miracle he was playing so well despite those falws.

That's some BS you are spewing. The fact that he was playing well when given the opportunity to be more than 4th/5th option means he has clear strengths that is greater than sum of his weaknesses. To say it was a miracle he was playing so well despite his flaws is purely asinine.

A real concern is that we are only 2 seasons removed from watching a guy like Kawhi Leonard help carry us to a championship and some "fans" are spewing this garbage. He wasn't necessarily the most athletic guy in terms of jumping out the gym nor was he routinely blowing by people with athleticism but he was so effective and efficient because he knew how to get to the spot he wanted to get to and make plays that he wanted to make when he wanted to make it. That's something Scottie Barnes can learn to do eventually as he shows signs of being able to do it. Dude's only 20 years old, he does have abundance of talent that you'd be blind to not see, shows willingness to put in the work, and we have number of examples of players on our teams of past and present that have made jumps that people at the time did not think they would make. So excuse me for thinking your "concern" isn't much of one because there isn't only one way to be a superstar and he has enough talent that he can take the steps to legit try and become one if he puts in the work as he's already playing way above expectation well ahead of schedule.

The real concern is that he's clearly still adapting/learning to play a new role than what he used to play earlier in the season and hopefully he gets there soon without going through too much of a down period but at the same time, he needs to learn to pick his spots and not grow passive so he can pick it up when opportunity inevitably comes.

[VC15Era]

This sucks that now Barnes is clearly the 5th option on the floor now. Kid is now the Marc Gasol / JYD mix.. hey but we are winning right? It's Freedy All-Star and Pascal got his groove back.. team.. Nick Nurse needs his playoffs! Bah..

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[mdenny]

There is no reason to panic about Scotty.

He probably got benched for the no-look pass to Boucher that went out of bounds. I've noticed that Scotty occasionally takes an extra half-second to turn a routine pass into a no-look. That's not the way.

But nothing is atypical from any other rookie season. He's gonna be great. He's having a rough patch. Forget about ROY. I just watched Mobley.....that dude is a DOMINANT presence on defense. Scottie isn't even close to that level. Forget about it.

[hype_2004]

He's always been less assertive than he should be on offense and he was learning to take more initiative with OG or Siakam out but with everyone back, now he's falling back to his old habits. That's something he's going to have to learn.

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

That's not how you build a team or a player.

That's your opinion, didn't stop LeBron or Giannis from reaching superstar potential. Cavaliers got rid of Larry Hughes, Bucks got rid of Jabari Parker, if he has the drive and the toughness then he'll get there, you either have it or you don't.

[kalel123]

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

That's not how you build a team or a player.

That's your opinion, didn't stop LeBron or Giannis from reaching superstar potential. Cavaliers got rid of Larry Hughes, Bucks got rid of Jabari Parker, if he has the drive and the toughness then he'll get there, you either have it or you don't.

Not even making sense any more. Those two situations are not even comparable. AT ALL.

[Los_29]

He'll learn if he gets the repetition of being the primary option, these fake wins mean nothing to his development. You want to find out how good he an be throw him to the fire by getting rid of a few guys, not gonna happen this year but will eventually happen in the future.

That's not how you build a team or a player.

That's your opinion, didn't stop LeBron or Giannis from reaching superstar potential. Cavaliers got rid of Larry Hughes, Bucks got rid of Jabari Parker, if he has the drive and the toughness then he'll get there, you either have it or you don't.

I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. That is absolutely not how you develop a player. In fact that's a surefire way to ruin a player. lol.

[hype_2004]

That's not how you build a team or a player.

That's your opinion, didn't stop LeBron or Giannis from reaching superstar potential. Cavaliers got rid of Larry Hughes, Bucks got rid of Jabari Parker, if he has the drive and the toughness then he'll get there, you either have it or you don't.

I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. That is absolutely not how you develop a player. In fact that's a surefire way to ruin a player. lol.

That's an opinion, great players can overcome anything or any negative environment, is Scottie Barnes going to be a great player? Well he need to stand on his own feet and make it happen.

[TNRaps4life]

Scottie will be fine. Most of the rookies are going through a rough patch.

[Los_29]

That's your opinion, didn't stop LeBron or Giannis from reaching superstar potential. Cavaliers got rid of Larry Hughes, Bucks got rid of Jabari Parker, if he has the drive and the toughness then he'll get there, you either have it or you don't.

I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. That is absolutely not how you develop a player. In fact that's a surefire way to ruin a player. lol.

That's an opinion, great players can overcome anything or any negative environment, is Scottie Barnes going to be a great player? Well he need to stand on his own feet and make it happen.

He’s averaging 15ppg as a 20 year old.

[Mehar]

I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong. That is absolutely not how you develop a player. In fact that's a surefire way to ruin a player. lol.

That's an opinion, great players can overcome anything or any negative environment, is Scottie Barnes going to be a great player? Well he need to stand on his own feet and make it happen.

He’s averaging 15ppg as a 20 year old.

Scottie is averaging 9.6 PPG the last 5 games. His average is under 15 PPG now. He needs to be more assertive at times, and less passive. At the end of the day he is 20 years old, and going through a tough stretch.