Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[ATLTimekeeper]

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I remember they also leaked Boston's offer in the summer and Brad Stevens had to do some damage control.

I mean I get it but at some point other teams won't be willing to negotiate in good faith with Sean Marks anymore.

Oh Marks will never run another team and I think he knows it. He worked Tsai for an extension, too.

[WuTang_CMB]

“I mean, my first reaction was it seemed like a really good move,” said Raptors head coach Nick Nurse. “[The Nets] got a lot of assets back for a guy who wasn’t going to be back, it seemed. And for Dallas, they probably wanted another big-time star to along with the one they got [Doncic], so it seemed like a pretty good deal for both teams.”

Which brings us to the timing of the whole thing, again.

By getting the deal done on Sunday, the Nets have given themselves a little bit of flexibility to manage a couple of different scenarios: the first is they now have a little bit of draft capital (having dealt away a good chunk of their own to acquire Harden way back when) to use between now and Thursday to add one more player to what remains a pretty good lineup that also includes Durant, the most dominant player in the sport, arguably.


So for a team like the Toronto Raptors – looked upon as potential sellers this week – there is one more buyer in the marketplace to drive up prices, never a bad thing.

As far as the Raptors are concerned: it also helps that Irving went to Dallas and not either of the backcourt-starved Los Angeles teams, which means that there should still be some strong demand out there if Toronto does want to move Fred VanVleet to the Lakers or Clippers.

But the timing is also telling because if the Nets aren’t able to make another move, or if the move they make isn’t enough to convince Durant that he can win a title in Brooklyn at age 34 and beyond, well the Nets could pivot to being sellers in a hurry too, offering up the perennial MVP candidate as they pivot to rebuilding on the fly.

And if that happens? Well, the next few days could prove to be as unpredictable as any kind of chaos Irving has ever unleashed before, which is saying something.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/as-irving-unleashes-chaos-on-the-league-raptors-could-benefit-in-the-long-run/

[MikeM]

We waited too long. Now everyone is saving their picks for when KD and Luka ask out. GG.

[ATLTimekeeper]

We waited too long. Now everyone is saving their picks for when KD and Luka ask out. GG.

There's still a title to be won this year

[Rapsfan07]

kind of sucks how a Kyrie trade request materializes and gets completed before the weekend is over, yet we know we'll be refreshing all week with no news until after the deadline thursday.

Bro.. I honestly just don't get it.

Kyrie made a trade request and was moved in like three days. Ainge got to Boston and moved Mitchell and Gobert for one of greatest hauls in history. Did the same thing when he moved his pair of HoFers to build the foundation of what Boston is now. Pacers moved off of Sabonis and got Haliburton.

But for some reason, we're waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting to move the likes of FVV, OG and Siakam.

Now there's a chance we get lowballed or nothing gets done at the deadline because teams are waiting to see what happens with Durant.

Kyrie vs. Raptors players getting traded is way different.

Just like there's a chance we get lowballed, there's a chance we extract max value for whoever gets traded. We don't know so I dont get the point of assuming what's going on behind the scenes.

We don't know... you're right. But we can theorize and make educated estimations based on the information we do have at the moment.

[fbalmeida]

I've been thinking about this impending deadline with the assumption that OG and perhaps Fred are the likely trade candidates, but upon hearing Samson Folk's pros and cons of trading either one of Fred, OG, and Trent, a few new considerations have popped into my head.

I think Trent continues to be a safe bet to remain. Assuming that agent and front office have spoken and that Trent is cool with a number in the low 20's, I think you absolutely re-sign him.

Now if OG's issue is only about getting more touches and not having to point out to Nurse in hotel hallways that Fred isn't letting other guys bring up the ball, we can solve that by trading Fred.... and Siakam.

Selling high on both, we could theoretically reset the team culture around Scottie, OG, Trent, and Achiuwa and round out the roster to our liking with the trade returns. Shipping out Fred and Siakam would also shatter the existing sacrosanct pecking order, totally resetting it for an offense revolving around Scottie. We'd have that young core and a wealth of assets and picks to build upon going forward.

The tale going round is that OG is looking to get his extra touches elsewhere, but at this point I'm super curious about just how impactful the player disgruntlement issues may be and how it may determine who must leave. If not for those stories of his disgruntlement, there'd really be no reason to trade OG right now.

[alpngso]

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Alright, sell picks and go for it.

[StopitLeo]

All the leaked Kyrie trade offers should reinforce how it “takes two to tango”. People love to criticize the front office as if they are sitting on their hands when it is more likely that they are trying to improve the team but simply cannot find a deal that works (from each teams’ valuation of the trade).

Does Kawhi being traded here mean other teams dropped the ball? No, it just says the Spurs preferred our package and that doesn’t even mean our package had the most value necessarily.

While it has been reported that the Raptors weren’t going to make moves until the road trip ended that doesn’t mean they weren’t taking offers. This isn’t like selling a house.

[Yeezus_]

Bro.. I honestly just don't get it.

Kyrie made a trade request and was moved in like three days. Ainge got to Boston and moved Mitchell and Gobert for one of greatest hauls in history. Did the same thing when he moved his pair of HoFers to build the foundation of what Boston is now. Pacers moved off of Sabonis and got Haliburton.

But for some reason, we're waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting to move the likes of FVV, OG and Siakam.

Now there's a chance we get lowballed or nothing gets done at the deadline because teams are waiting to see what happens with Durant.

Kyrie vs. Raptors players getting traded is way different.

Just like there's a chance we get lowballed, there's a chance we extract max value for whoever gets traded. We don't know so I dont get the point of assuming what's going on behind the scenes.

We don't know... you're right. But we can theorize and make educated estimations based on the information we do have at the moment.

And we don't have any information that we're getting lowballed or nothing gets done lol. That's not an education estimation based on the information we have. The information we have is that there are different teams interested in a few of our players and the deadline is 3 days away. Nothing about be lowballed at all.

[bboyskinnylegs]

All the leaked Kyrie trade offers should reinforce how it “takes two to tango”. People love to criticize the front office as if they are sitting on their hands when it is more likely that they are trying to improve the team but simply cannot find a deal that works (from each teams’ valuation of the trade).

Does Kawhi being traded here mean other teams dropped the ball? No, it just says the Spurs preferred our package and that doesn’t even mean our package had the most value necessarily.

While it has been reported that the Raptors weren’t going to make moves until the road trip ended that doesn’t mean they weren’t taking offers. This isn’t like selling a house.

the spite factor is one that I find interesting, where teams will reject a better offer for non-basketball reasons. Can't complain though, that certainly played a part in us getting Kawhi.

[T-d0t]

All the leaked Kyrie trade offers should reinforce how it “takes two to tango”. People love to criticize the front office as if they are sitting on their hands when it is more likely that they are trying to improve the team but simply cannot find a deal that works (from each teams’ valuation of the trade).

Does Kawhi being traded here mean other teams dropped the ball? No, it just says the Spurs preferred our package and that doesn’t even mean our package had the most value necessarily.

While it has been reported that the Raptors weren’t going to make moves until the road trip ended that doesn’t mean they weren’t taking offers. This isn’t like selling a house.

the spite factor is one that I find interesting, where teams will reject a better offer for non-basketball reasons. Can't complain though, that certainly played a part in us getting Kawhi.

That spite factor is mostly used on LA teams seems like it haha

[Rapsfan07]

I've been thinking about this impending deadline with the assumption that OG and perhaps Fred are the likely trade candidates, but upon hearing Samson Folk's pros and cons of trading either one of Fred, OG, and Trent, a few new considerations have popped into my head.

I think Trent continues to be a safe bet to remain. Assuming that agent and front office have spoken and that Trent is cool with a number in the low 20's, I think you absolutely re-sign him.

Now if OG's issue is only about getting more touches and not having to point out to Nurse in hotel hallways that Fred isn't letting other guys bring up the ball, we can solve that by trading Fred.... and Siakam.

Selling high on both, we could theoretically reset the team culture around Scottie, OG, Trent, and Achiuwa and round out the roster to our liking with the trade returns. Shipping out Fred and Siakam would also shatter the existing sacrosanct pecking order, totally resetting it for an offense revolving around Scottie. We'd have that young core and a wealth of assets and picks to build upon going forward.

The tale going round is that OG is looking to get his extra touches elsewhere, but at this point I'm super curious about just how impactful the player disgruntlement issues may be and how it may determine who must leave. If not for those stories of his disgruntlement, there'd really be no reason to trade OG right now.

Ideally you'd want to keep OG, sure. But it seems that he wants a bigger role on offense that truthfully - he is not skilled enough for that. So if he's going to make it a thing, I'd move him for a haul without thinking twice.

If he's willing to stay and accept his role, that's a different situation entirely.

[Sandman88]

Masai and Bobby wait too long and ultimately nothing substantial happens. Calling it now

[Rodrickle]

“I mean, my first reaction was it seemed like a really good move,” said Raptors head coach Nick Nurse. “[The Nets] got a lot of assets back for a guy who wasn’t going to be back, it seemed. And for Dallas, they probably wanted another big-time star to along with the one they got [Doncic], so it seemed like a pretty good deal for both teams.”

Which brings us to the timing of the whole thing, again.

By getting the deal done on Sunday, the Nets have given themselves a little bit of flexibility to manage a couple of different scenarios: the first is they now have a little bit of draft capital (having dealt away a good chunk of their own to acquire Harden way back when) to use between now and Thursday to add one more player to what remains a pretty good lineup that also includes Durant, the most dominant player in the sport, arguably.


So for a team like the Toronto Raptors – looked upon as potential sellers this week – there is one more buyer in the marketplace to drive up prices, never a bad thing.

As far as the Raptors are concerned: it also helps that Irving went to Dallas and not either of the backcourt-starved Los Angeles teams, which means that there should still be some strong demand out there if Toronto does want to move Fred VanVleet to the Lakers or Clippers.

But the timing is also telling because if the Nets aren’t able to make another move, or if the move they make isn’t enough to convince Durant that he can win a title in Brooklyn at age 34 and beyond, well the Nets could pivot to being sellers in a hurry too, offering up the perennial MVP candidate as they pivot to rebuilding on the fly.

And if that happens? Well, the next few days could prove to be as unpredictable as any kind of chaos Irving has ever unleashed before, which is saying something.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/as-irving-unleashes-chaos-on-the-league-raptors-could-benefit-in-the-long-run/

Nurse the next Brad Stevens? coach moving to management. For some reason I can see that. Just a feeling though.

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[Raptorfan2012]

Masai and Bobby wait too long and ultimately nothing substantial happens. Calling it now

This just sounds like you want a trade for the sake of making a trade.

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[StopitLeo]

All the leaked Kyrie trade offers should reinforce how it “takes two to tango”. People love to criticize the front office as if they are sitting on their hands when it is more likely that they are trying to improve the team but simply cannot find a deal that works (from each teams’ valuation of the trade).

Does Kawhi being traded here mean other teams dropped the ball? No, it just says the Spurs preferred our package and that doesn’t even mean our package had the most value necessarily.

While it has been reported that the Raptors weren’t going to make moves until the road trip ended that doesn’t mean they weren’t taking offers. This isn’t like selling a house.

the spite factor is one that I find interesting, where teams will reject a better offer for non-basketball reasons. Can't complain though, that certainly played a part in us getting Kawhi.

I wonder if we are less of a spite trade destination because Kawhi won a title, lol

[OakleyDokely]

I always thought the Raps would trade GTJ before VV, but I think that might not case anymore. GTJ is younger and will likely be cheaper to retain than VV, which should be large factors in their decision, I would think.

A 24 year old making 20-25M probably makes more sense long term than a 29 year old making 30-35M.

[WaltFrazier]

I've been thinking about this impending deadline with the assumption that OG and perhaps Fred are the likely trade candidates, but upon hearing Samson Folk's pros and cons of trading either one of Fred, OG, and Trent, a few new considerations have popped into my head.

I think Trent continues to be a safe bet to remain. Assuming that agent and front office have spoken and that Trent is cool with a number in the low 20's, I think you absolutely re-sign him.

Now if OG's issue is only about getting more touches and not having to point out to Nurse in hotel hallways that Fred isn't letting other guys bring up the ball, we can solve that by trading Fred.... and Siakam.

Selling high on both, we could theoretically reset the team culture around Scottie, OG, Trent, and Achiuwa and round out the roster to our liking with the trade returns. Shipping out Fred and Siakam would also shatter the existing sacrosanct pecking order, totally resetting it for an offense revolving around Scottie. We'd have that young core and a wealth of assets and picks to build upon going forward.

The tale going round is that OG is looking to get his extra touches elsewhere, but at this point I'm super curious about just how impactful the player disgruntlement issues may be and how it may determine who must leave. If not for those stories of his disgruntlement, there'd really be no reason to trade OG right now.

I believe trading Fred would satisfy OG enough for him to stay. Eric Smith hinted at that scenario a few games ago

[Los_29]

Masai and Bobby wait too long and ultimately nothing substantial happens. Calling it now

There's been one trade so far.

Where are you guys getting this "waited too long" stuff? This is hilarious.