Hollinger: League wide speculation that POR will trade Simons + #3 for “elite forward”

[TDotAllStar]

This is the only thing that could kick off a refreshing new start for the team and get the fan base back on the Masai bandwagon.

Trade Siakam + OG For Simons + 3 + Little + Filler to match salary if possible (Im keeping our 13th pick in this deal)

Draft Scoot or Miller at 3 whichever one falls, If its Scoot we get.... at 13 you take Bilal to replace OG if its Miller we get we draft one of the talented guards that would be available. Lets say for sake its Scoot we get though...

Team next year looks something like

Scoot
Simons
Bilal
Barnes
Poeltl

Little
Flynn
Banton
Precious
Boucher

Would be fun and put us on Barnes timeline more with a trio of Scoot/Scottie/Bilal to grow together and add Simons in there.

If we give up Siakam and OG we are getting #3 and Sharpe

[ontnut]

in what world is Grant getting 3 1sts?

Same world where a resigned og could - or at least similar value to “3 1st round picks”.

Ya can’t tell me that if Portland cleaned house they couldn’t get a combined 3-4 unprotected picks plus significantly more for simons and a resigned grant!

Grant was an elite high volume 3 pt shooter last year — and not just a catch and shoot guy. He can create his shots from a surprising amount of ways.

you are smoking something serious if you think those two are netting you 4 unprotected picks from anyone.

Yeah his valuations are way off.
Gobert got that much because he's viewed as a guy that instantly eleavtes your team to a #1 defense, and they thought he'd fit great with KAT.

Lillard might get you 3-4 unprotected 1sts, but from who? I can't think of a team that has their picks and is at the stage to make that move. Simons and Grant are worth about a 1st each.

[ontnut]

This is the only thing that could kick off a refreshing new start for the team and get the fan base back on the Masai bandwagon.

Trade Siakam + OG For Simons + 3 + Little + Filler to match salary if possible (Im keeping our 13th pick in this deal)

Draft Scoot or Miller at 3 whichever one falls, If its Scoot we get.... at 13 you take Bilal to replace OG if its Miller we get we draft one of the talented guards that would be available. Lets say for sake its Scoot we get though...

Team next year looks something like

Scoot
Simons
Bilal
Barnes
Poeltl

Little
Flynn
Banton
Precious
Boucher

Would be fun and put us on Barnes timeline more with a trio of Scoot/Scottie/Bilal to grow together and add Simons in there.

If we give up Siakam and OG we are getting #3 and Sharpe

Yeah, if it's both Siakam and OG, the conversation starts at Simons/Grant, Sharpe and #3.

[Clutch0z24]

This is the only thing that could kick off a refreshing new start for the team and get the fan base back on the Masai bandwagon.

Trade Siakam + OG For Simons + 3 + Little + Filler to match salary if possible (Im keeping our 13th pick in this deal)

Draft Scoot or Miller at 3 whichever one falls, If its Scoot we get.... at 13 you take Bilal to replace OG if its Miller we get we draft one of the talented guards that would be available. Lets say for sake its Scoot we get though...

Team next year looks something like

Scoot
Simons
Bilal
Barnes
Poeltl

Little
Flynn
Banton
Precious
Boucher

Would be fun and put us on Barnes timeline more with a trio of Scoot/Scottie/Bilal to grow together and add Simons in there.

If we give up Siakam and OG we are getting #3 and Sharpe

Cap space issue .....Simons makes more money so he has to be the one coming back our way....And no way we are getting Sharpe/Simons + 3....That would defeat the purpose of the Blazers making the deal giving up all their depth...They only make the deal to compete for the next few years.

[TDotAllStar]

I think something people are not understanding is that if Portland thought #3 alone could net an elite forward they wouldn’t be including Simons, they would include Nurkic. So, to add OG in there (an defensive 2nd team player) they would need to add Sharpe (preferably) or Grant and a future pick.

[Clutch0z24]

This is the only thing that could kick off a refreshing new start for the team and get the fan base back on the Masai bandwagon.

Trade Siakam + OG For Simons + 3 + Little + Filler to match salary if possible (Im keeping our 13th pick in this deal)

Draft Scoot or Miller at 3 whichever one falls, If its Scoot we get.... at 13 you take Bilal to replace OG if its Miller we get we draft one of the talented guards that would be available. Lets say for sake its Scoot we get though...

Team next year looks something like

Scoot
Simons
Bilal
Barnes
Poeltl

Little
Flynn
Banton
Precious
Boucher

Would be fun and put us on Barnes timeline more with a trio of Scoot/Scottie/Bilal to grow together and add Simons in there.

If we give up Siakam and OG we are getting #3 and Sharpe

Yeah, if it's both Siakam and OG, the conversation starts at Simons/Grant, Sharpe and #3.

Lol you do realize the reason Blazers want to trade the pick is to compete for a title right? it defeats the whole purpose in trading the pick for help now to compete if they literally give up their whole team in order to get 2 guys who with Lillard would not be able to compete lol....

The only way we get 3 is if we give the Blazers Siakam/OG with also them keeping depth ontop of it to compete...And for us it would mean a complete rebuild around the 3rd pick + 13th pick + Barnes and Simons.

[Pointgod]

I'm not saying he is or isn't, but your speculation is as valid as anyone who's suggesting he could be on that list... It's not as if Simons straight up for OG is fair, but Simons & 3rd for OG & 13th is more than reasonable.

It isn't, especially if Scoot falls to 3 but we'll agree to disagree lol.

Simons and 3 for OG and 13 feels like Raps get the better end of the deal here, as much as I love OG. I mean, getting a #3 pick in a 3 player draft is usually the price for a legit current all-star. Ray Allen got traded for #5.

Facts. That’s why I think it’s Siakim for 3 from Portland’s side which is about an even of a trade as you get. Slightly tips in favour of the Raptors if it’s Scoot. The only thing I don’t get is that Grant’s best position is PF and I don’t see him as effective as a wing but who knows. Portland makes that trade and figures the rest our later.

[CPT]

If we have the chance to get Scoot, I wouldn't get caught up in trying to extract maximum value. Of course, our FO should be trying to get the best deal possible, but they should also be focused on trying to get the best player/asset in the trade.

I'm assuming Siakam would be the main piece. I'd like to keep OG. I'd like to get Sharpe instead of (or in addition to) Simons. But I wouldn't let either one stand in the way of getting a true foundational piece.

This reminds me a little bit of the talk way back when about trading our 7 and 14 for 3 (I think those were the numbers) to take Chris Paul. Maybe that was never actually on the table, but you would think a deal like that would have had unanimous support on the board. It didn't.

Get the star players when they are available, even if you have to take on some risk.

[TDotAllStar]

If we give up Siakam and OG we are getting #3 and Sharpe

Yeah, if it's both Siakam and OG, the conversation starts at Simons/Grant, Sharpe and #3.

Lol you do realize the reason Blazers want to trade the pick is to compete for a title right? it defeats the whole purpose in trading the pick for help now to compete if they literally give up their whole team in order to get 2 guys who with Lillard would not be able to compete lol....

The only way we get 3 is if we give the Blazers Siakam/OG with also them keeping depth ontop of it to compete...And for us it would mean a complete rebuild around the 3rd pick + 13th pick + Barnes and Simons.

I am unsure if the blazers cap situation but a lineup consisting of lillard OG and siakam does not NEED sharpe and simons to compete, they need more surrounding pieces which can be added in the off-season through free agency.

They still have serviceable roll players like winslow, reddish, and thybulle. That roster can definitely be competitive.

[deeps6x]

IF POR is going to lose Grant/not re-sign him...could they:
S&T Grant to us for OG+whatever salary is needed and then do a second deal: Siakam and 13 for Simons, Sharpe and 3 (salaries work for the Siakam deal). Maybe reroute 13 for a starting SG they need?

So essentially becomes OG, Siakam, 13 for Simons, Sharpe, Grant, 3?

Lillard, Thybulle/Reddish/13 trade, OG, Siakam, Nurkic

FVV/Simons/Barnes/Grant/Poeltl with Achiuwa, Sharpe, Miller/Scoot, Boucher off the bench.

It feels unrealistic and would clearly depend on Grant accepting the trade here which is a long shot. But I think both teams get better fits. Lillard gets the #2 and wing defenders he has needed, while the Raps get shooting and youth.

This actually makes a lot of sense for both sides and offsets Portland’s potential cap issues by flipping grant.

As much as I love Siakam and OG, I'm kinda feeling this trade. It feels like we need a fresh start. Move on from FVV as well.

[HumbleRen]

This all really depends on Scoot falling to 3.

I doubt Raptors even consider trading Siakam for Miller.

[Johnny Bball]

I think something people are not understanding is that if Portland thought #3 alone could net an elite forward they wouldn’t be including Simons, they would include Nurkic. So, to add OG in there (an defensive 2nd team player) they would need to add Sharpe (preferably) or Grant and a future pick.

Grant is a UFA so I'm not sure why amyone is including him in anything.

[Clutch0z24]

Yeah, if it's both Siakam and OG, the conversation starts at Simons/Grant, Sharpe and #3.

Lol you do realize the reason Blazers want to trade the pick is to compete for a title right? it defeats the whole purpose in trading the pick for help now to compete if they literally give up their whole team in order to get 2 guys who with Lillard would not be able to compete lol....

The only way we get 3 is if we give the Blazers Siakam/OG with also them keeping depth ontop of it to compete...And for us it would mean a complete rebuild around the 3rd pick + 13th pick + Barnes and Simons.

I am unsure if the blazers cap situation but a lineup consisting of lillard OG and siakam does not NEED sharpe and simons to compete, they need more surrounding pieces which can be added in the off-season through free agency.

They still have serviceable roll players like winslow, reddish, and thybulle. That roster can definitely be competitive.

Yeah but im sorry your dreaming if you think we would get Sharpe 3rd pick (Which could end up being a franchise PG in Scoot), And Simons for Siakam/OG .....Sharpe might even become better than OG....So why would Blazers add him in the deal?....High picks are very rare to be traded and if they do get traded its for at least an All star....

It could very well be Siakam For 3 + Simons alone which would be fine for me...But if im thinking of it from a Blazers POV and not the Raptors POV i want to bring in OG/Siakam to build ontop of Lillard/Sharpe/Grant/Nurk...

I think Blazers also are high on Sharpe long term....Doubt they wanna move him if they are already giving up #3

[deeps6x]

Does vv count as an elite small forward?? He’s definitely one of those three things

[will]

Pascal is definitely a top 5 forward in the NBA.

[agkagk]

Same world where a resigned og could - or at least similar value to “3 1st round picks”.

Ya can’t tell me that if Portland cleaned house they couldn’t get a combined 3-4 unprotected picks plus significantly more for simons and a resigned grant!

Grant was an elite high volume 3 pt shooter last year — and not just a catch and shoot guy. He can create his shots from a surprising amount of ways.

you are smoking something serious if you think those two are netting you 4 unprotected picks from anyone.

Yeah his valuations are way off.
Gobert got that much because he's viewed as a guy that instantly eleavtes your team to a #1 defense, and they thought he'd fit great with KAT.

Lillard might get you 3-4 unprotected 1sts, but from who? I can't think of a team that has their picks and is at the stage to make that move. Simons and Grant are worth about a 1st each.

Is simons trash or something? I don’t watch much Portland, but on paper he looks like a nice young player that’s trending in the right direction?

And nah, I think you might be sleeping a bit on grants improvement and overall growth a bit.

[Clutch0z24]

This all really depends on Scoot falling to 3.

I doubt Raptors even consider trading Siakam for Miller.

I would agree with this...But tbh Millers upside is also very good....If we wanted a fresh start if we could keep our 13th pick...A team built around Barnes/OG/Miller/Bufkin/Simons would really get me excited and totally change the way our team plays/looks

Bufkin a legit 3 point threat and a all around 3 level scorer...
Miller a 3 point threat with an all around game as well
Simons a 3 point sharpshooter with a decent all around game

Them 3 would add so much spacing on the court it would open up Barnes game to be that Giannis like playmaker/rim attacker.

I like that team than what we have now where we have players that overlap and have the same strengths/weaknesses.

[Clutch0z24]

you are smoking something serious if you think those two are netting you 4 unprotected picks from anyone.

Yeah his valuations are way off.
Gobert got that much because he's viewed as a guy that instantly eleavtes your team to a #1 defense, and they thought he'd fit great with KAT.

Lillard might get you 3-4 unprotected 1sts, but from who? I can't think of a team that has their picks and is at the stage to make that move. Simons and Grant are worth about a 1st each.

Is simons trash or something? I don’t watch much Portland, but on paper he looks like a nice young player that’s trending in the right direction?

And nah, I think you might be sleeping a bit on grants improvement and overall growth a bit.

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Simons is far from trash...Hes just inconsistent sometimes but hes had a stretch where Lillard was injured where he had 30+ 40+ point games. When Lillard came back he regressed but he is someone who would be amazing grab if Siakam goes out the door.

[720]

Bruh idc if Scoot is there are not. Let’s trade Siakam for that 3rd pick and get a blue chip prospect. Miller is great, quick release, great measurables, etc. Have Barnes, Bufkin, Miller, OG and it would be so much fun.

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Bufkin and Miller with these two?


All of a sudden we have a nice young core.







Let’s reset this bitch!

[HumbleRen]

This all really depends on Scoot falling to 3.

I doubt Raptors even consider trading Siakam for Miller.

I would agree with this...But tbh Millers upside is also very good....If we wanted a fresh start if we could keep our 13th pick...A team built around Barnes/OG/Miller/Bufkin/Simons would really get me excited and totally change the way our team plays/looks

Bufkin a legit 3 point threat and a all around 3 level scorer...
Miller a 3 point threat with an all around game as well
Simons a 3 point sharpshooter with a decent all around game

Them 3 would add so much spacing on the court it would open up Barnes game to be that Giannis like playmaker/rim attacker.

I like that team than what we have now where we have players that overlap and have the same strengths/weaknesses.

I mean I would do it but I personally think theres a gap in terms of value when it comes to Scoot and Miller. Raps probably see it that way as well. They would want to squeeze for more and Portland would just simply walk away if Masai tries it,