Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[mihaic]

Damn, 2 threads for a team that probably wont trade with us.

The 2 teams probably haven't even talked.

Some Framework of a trade here below; I am sure jroy is ready to say no Here's the threesome :
To PHX: FVV
To POR: Ayton
To TOR: (Nurkic+filler, or Simons) and #23 (if I got the number right... not sure)
Toronto flips Nurkic later on to someone else, or keeps Simons.

Maybe a second out of Toronto to compensate for my homer view. I think each of POR and PHX was rumoured to be interested in those players. And I think it's pretty fair, and should be considered by the Blazers only if they really build around Dame. Obviously, this assumes Dame is not traded.

I actually like it for POR because they don't give #3 and Sharpe.
Not sure how much PHX does this since they may want multiple players not just Fred, but this allows them to waive CP, roll with another starter level PG, and use MLE or whatever exception (if their cap allows it). If they manage to pay FVV less than Ayton's 31M, they can get a small trade exception too.

[HumbleRen]

The kid is wise beyond his years already, and that has nothing to do with how — when asked about a certain teammate’s game — Henderson explains the way inertia helps. A body in motion tends to stay in motion unless another force intervenes, and somewhere along the way Henderson learned that helps on drives to the basket and other parts of the game.

“Just science,” Henderson said. “That’s what that is.”

He can also see how he’d fit in with teams headed to the lottery. He studies the young players Houston has, just in case. Same with San Antonio, just in case. He talks about how he’d fit alongside Scottie Barnes in Toronto. And he wouldn’t mind being on a team someday with someone he considers an elite point guard, like Chris Paul or Ja Morant.

[Tha Cynic]

Well let's hope that Portland's GM/POBO is smart and discerning enough to see the wisdom of acquiring Siakam instead of Zion.

Hope they are even smarter than that and recognize that Siakam does not change the trajectory of the franchise.

Well of course, we here are hoping they're not that smart.

The reason why this entire thread exists is because we looked at this organization's history and understand there's a chance lol

[youreachiteach]

You read the tea leaves about "change" from the presser, the development coaches and OG and Pascal's rumors, it appears that it's "Happening". Please let this be true....

[raf1995]

The problem for the Raptors is that a prospect like Scoot is worth more than Pascal. If Pascal was 26 and had 3 more years on his deal at 30 million like Bridges, the value would be more equal. But at nearly 30 and as an expiring contract, it’s not equal to an elite prospect at 19 with 7 guaranteed contract years at a low salary.

So what do the Raptors do? Maybe add 13? Is that enough? You could add OG and ask for 23, but that’s probably too much for the Raptors to give up. It gets more complicated when Simons has to be included, as he’s not just a salary filler, but is likely able to fetch 1 or 2 firsts on the market by himself.

[720]

The problem for the Raptors is that a prospect like Scoot is worth more than Pascal. If Pascal was 26 and had 3 more years on his deal at 30 million like Bridges, the value would be more equal. But at nearly 30 and as an expiring contract, it’s not equal to an elite prospect at 19 with 7 guaranteed contract years at a low salary.

So what do the Raptors do? Maybe add 13? Is that enough? You could add OG and ask for 23, but that’s probably too much for the Raptors to give up. It gets more complicated when Simons has to be included, as he’s not just a salary filler, but is likely able to fetch 1 or 2 firsts on the market by himself.

Siakam is better than Bridges and would help Dame more to contend within the next two years. The numbers on his contract don’t mean anything because if the trade happens the blazers would have already talked to Siakam beforehand about extending.

[raf1995]

The problem for the Raptors is that a prospect like Scoot is worth more than Pascal. If Pascal was 26 and had 3 more years on his deal at 30 million like Bridges, the value would be more equal. But at nearly 30 and as an expiring contract, it’s not equal to an elite prospect at 19 with 7 guaranteed contract years at a low salary.

So what do the Raptors do? Maybe add 13? Is that enough? You could add OG and ask for 23, but that’s probably too much for the Raptors to give up. It gets more complicated when Simons has to be included, as he’s not just a salary filler, but is likely able to fetch 1 or 2 firsts on the market by himself.

Siakam is better than Bridges and would help Dame more to contend within the next two years. The numbers on his contract don’t mean anything because if the trade happens the blazers would have already talked to Siakam beforehand about extending.

If you want to argue that expiring contracts arent actually worth any less because you can make a secret handshake deal, you can definitely argue that. But handshakes don’t mean anything legally, and there is always a real risk of him walking if the season doesn’t go the way he wants, if he doesn’t like Portland, etc. That uncertainty absolutely lowers his value, fairly or not.

[PhilBlackson]

The problem for the Raptors is that a prospect like Scoot is worth more than Pascal. If Pascal was 26 and had 3 more years on his deal at 30 million like Bridges, the value would be more equal. But at nearly 30 and as an expiring contract, it’s not equal to an elite prospect at 19 with 7 guaranteed contract years at a low salary.

So what do the Raptors do? Maybe add 13? Is that enough? You could add OG and ask for 23, but that’s probably too much for the Raptors to give up. It gets more complicated when Simons has to be included, as he’s not just a salary filler, but is likely able to fetch 1 or 2 firsts on the market by himself.

Siakam is better than Bridges and would help Dame more to contend within the next two years. The numbers on his contract don’t mean anything because if the trade happens the blazers would have already talked to Siakam beforehand about extending.

If you want to argue that expiring contracts arent actually worth any less because you can make a secret handshake deal, you can definitely argue that. But handshakes don’t mean anything legally, and there is always a real risk of him walking if the season doesn’t go the way he wants, if he doesn’t like Portland, etc. That uncertainty absolutely lowers his value, fairly or not.

If the deal goes through, an extension is pretty much in place (period).

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Hot take: I prefer Amen Thompson over Brandon Miller.

Amen can legitimately play the 1 and 2. We need to develop his shooting, but he’s basically a tall John Wall.

Brandon Miller seems like the Danny Granger / Rudy Gay category… his hype is entirely attributable to Jonathan Givony.

I'm not sure I believe you.

Id definitely put some money down on Brandon Miller getting drafted ahead of Amen Thompson. I'm not looking to bet or anything, but if I could convince God to give me 20 bucks if MIller goes over Thompson, or that I'd lose 20 if vice versa, I'd agree to that.

[bballsparkin]

Is Damian really Portland's best player ever? I understand better than Bill Walton because of injuries and longevity but better than Clyde Drexler? I'd rather Clyde easily but maybe I'm biased.

edit: I've read it on here more than once is why I wonder.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1=lillada01&player_id2=drexlcl01

Check the stats yourself, they're very close. Lillard with the WS/48, TS%, PER edge. Drexler with the BPM and VORP edge, he actually played defence, plus he's got a ring fwiw. Lillard with 7 vs. 5 All NBA.

Cool website thanks. Much better than two tabs open on bball reference. Seems to me we're on the same page. Edge goes to Clyde for the defence. To be fair, Dame might have won a ring with prime Hakeem too.

[PhilBlackson]

Hot take: I prefer Amen Thompson over Brandon Miller.

Amen can legitimately play the 1 and 2. We need to develop his shooting, but he’s basically a tall John Wall.

Brandon Miller seems like the Danny Granger / Rudy Gay category… his hype is entirely attributable to Jonathan Givony.

I'm not sure I believe you.

Id definitely put some money down on Brandon Miller getting drafted ahead of Amen Thompson. I'm not looking to bet or anything, but if I could convince God to give me 20 bucks if MIller goes over Thompson, or that I'd lose 20 if vice versa, I'd agree to that.

Rudy Gay?!

Do people even think when they draw comparisons?!? Miller isn't as athletic as Gay when he was young and what Rudy was pretty much reliant on coming up but he's also a thousand times better shooter. The Granger comparison, I could maybe see and that's not a bad thing because he was a straight baller before the injuries.

I get why most people say they'll still take Scoot over him but I'm not sure why the automatic assumption is he can only reach Middleton or PG's level when Miller was far more impressive as a freshman than they were and stepped up huge pretty much all season. I see far more "alpha" to his personality than either KM or PG. Doesn't mean he will reach their level but it also doesn't mean he can't be better. He's further ahead than either of them were as freshman. People can flame if they want but especially playing alongside Scottie, I'd be more than ok with still trading Pascal to POR should he be the guy that was available at 3, although I'd ask for a bit more from POR (no not Sharpe too lol it won't happen but the 23rd and maaaybe another pick is what I'd be pushing them for).

[mihaic]

You read the tea leaves about "change" from the presser, the development coaches and OG and Pascal's rumors, it appears that it's "Happening". Please let this be true....

There was not much for Pascal rumours. This Portland think seems fiction to me, I hope I'm wrong.

[deeps6x]

No team in the modern NBA has won a championship with a 20-year-old starting shooting guard. Kobe first won when he was 21. Realistically if Portland & Dame want to win a championship in his 2-3 year window, Sharpe should be traded.

Traded for who? Are you implying that they should trade #3, Simons and Sharpe for Siakam? Or for Siakam and OG?

I'm down with trading away Siakam and OG if it increases our chances to build a championship team in the future. I'm just skeptical that trading proven great two way players like OG and Siakam, for a gamble on Scoot, a one way player like Simons, and Sharpe, who is certainly a highlight reel player, but also so raw and only interesting on O at the moment, is the best way to get back to the finals.

[Scizzup]

The problem for the Raptors is that a prospect like Scoot is worth more than Pascal. If Pascal was 26 and had 3 more years on his deal at 30 million like Bridges, the value would be more equal. But at nearly 30 and as an expiring contract, it’s not equal to an elite prospect at 19 with 7 guaranteed contract years at a low salary.

So what do the Raptors do? Maybe add 13? Is that enough? You could add OG and ask for 23, but that’s probably too much for the Raptors to give up. It gets more complicated when Simons has to be included, as he’s not just a salary filler, but is likely able to fetch 1 or 2 firsts on the market by himself.

Siakam is better than Bridges and would help Dame more to contend within the next two years. The numbers on his contract don’t mean anything because if the trade happens the blazers would have already talked to Siakam beforehand about extending.

It doesn't matter if Pascal is better than Bridges. The gap isn't wide enough anymore especially when Pascal is 29 years old and hampers your ability to build a roster cause of his contract.


Honestly, a dame/Pascal team is a first round exit unless they Afernee/Sharpe take a step, retain Grant and get a better center than Nurkic.

[bballsparkin]

No team in the modern NBA has won a championship with a 20-year-old starting shooting guard. Kobe first won when he was 21. Realistically if Portland & Dame want to win a championship in his 2-3 year window, Sharpe should be traded.

Traded for who? Are you implying that they should trade #3, Simons and Sharpe for Siakam? Or for Siakam and OG?

I'm down with trading away Siakam and OG if it increases our chances to build a championship team in the future. I'm just skeptical that trading proven great two way players like OG and Siakam, for a gamble on Scoot, a one way player like Simons, and Sharpe, who is certainly a highlight reel player, but also so raw and only interesting on O at the moment, is the best way to get back to the finals.

I think he's arguing with a player like Dame nearing the end of a HOF career you got to go for it. Holding on to Sharpe and #3 is counter intuitive if Portland really believe Lillard is a player that can lead a team to win it all.

[JRoy]

The kid is wise beyond his years already, and that has nothing to do with how — when asked about a certain teammate’s game — Henderson explains the way inertia helps. A body in motion tends to stay in motion unless another force intervenes, and somewhere along the way Henderson learned that helps on drives to the basket and other parts of the game.

“Just science,” Henderson said. “That’s what that is.”

He can also see how he’d fit in with teams headed to the lottery. He studies the young players Houston has, just in case. Same with San Antonio, just in case. He talks about how he’d fit alongside Scottie Barnes in Toronto. And he wouldn’t mind being on a team someday with someone he considers an elite point guard, like Chris Paul or Ja Morant.

She’s full of secrets.

[Clutch0z24]

I think Henderson goes 2 to Charlotte sadly.....Brandon Miller still good but id much rather Scoot be the guy.....I just don't buy the rumors that Hornets will pick Miller > Scoot until it happens. I think the teams trying to trade for 3 will wait and see as well.

[TorontoBarneys]

I think Henderson goes 2 to Charlotte sadly.....Brandon Miller still good but id much rather Scoot be the guy.....I just don't buy the rumors that Hornets will pick Miller > Scoot until it happens. I think the teams trying to trade for 3 will wait and see as well.

I'd be more than happy with MIller either way.

Miller+Barnes is a sick combo.

[HangTime]

Here's a 5 crazy deal, adjust the picks as needed

Raptors gets
Simons,
#2(CHA),
Little/Jovic
#18(MIA)/#23(POR)
#27 (CHA)

Blazers get:
Siakam,
Oladipo,


Hornets get:
Herro,
#8(WAS),
#13(TOR)

Wizards get:
Hayward,
#3(POR),
Jovic/Little,
#23(POR)/#18(MIA)

Heat get:
Beal

Whomever gets, Little gets #18,
and
Whomever gets, Jovic gets #23

[HumbleRen]

I’m coo on Miller.

Scoot is most likely going #2 so I’d pivot to Houston.

4 + Jabari/Eason/filler for Siakam.