Damian Lillard Trade Request Part 3

[Son Goku 25]

Pretty quiet on Twitter and no inside sources have come out yet according to Grange and his source a deal would likely get done early in week and it's Tuesday afternoon.

I don't want this to be a typical fake comeback situation for the raptors of going all in and then Port just sending him off to Miami regardless. Imo I think if that happens then a trade for Siakam to AtL likely happens.

[brownbobcat]

lillard is younger than kd and steph
has had much less mileage as well in the years he has played, not many playoff games, started league a a older rookie.

KD and Curry are top-20 players of all time, Lillard is not.

Lillard will be the same age for the 23/24 season as Curry was when he won his last ring.

KD barely gets through the season these days and can't carry a team solo anymore.

[WaltFrazier]

You can only hit a Home Run if you're doing a good job in between those 5-6 years lol

And we are so far away now from having the 11 deep roster that made the Kawhi trade possible and still be a great team

that was a 1 year window, here we have 4 years, realistically maybe just the first 2 years to build a depth.

build it and they will come vs, have them come and then build it.

Dame age 33 wants to win right now not wait for a bit more building. I know his contract has 3 years but he won't be happy

[Son Goku 25]

lillard is younger than kd and steph
has had much less mileage as well in the years he has played, not many playoff games, started league a a older rookie.

KD and Curry are top-20 players of all time, Lillard is not.

Lillard will be the same age for the 23/24 season as Curry was when he won his last ring.

KD barely gets through the season these days and can't carry a team solo anymore.

I'm certain Masai knows this and that's why he'll keep Siakam around and likely get another star plus in time build some depth they get Lillard.

Dennis can play big mins and we can load manage if needed plus Barnes or whoever can handle the ball.

It'll be fine.

[goinrogue]

Ideally:
Dame, Schroder
GTJ, Dick
Barnes, McDaniels/OPJ
Siakam, Precious
Jak, Koloko

OG the center piece going back.
Leaves Boucher, Flynn, Thad and picks as our juice.

In: Dame

PDX: Ayton + OG + Thad + Pick(s)
Suns: Nurkic, Flynn, and Boucher

Or cut out Pheonix and let PDX shop the spare parts for picks.

If we have to trade OG, this is the version I like best. Not a fan of all these proposals that send back 2 of our best 3 shooters. Someone besides Lillard has to hit a 3

If OG walks, then they would have traded Dame for Ayton, Thad and 2 firsts. That’s really really bad. We would have to cough up a bit more than that imo. Hopefully precious / Koloko.

[kalel123]

Haven't posted in a while but I must say I don't understand the obsession with Lillard. This is a case of neither the player nor the team being good enough to elevate each other to contender status. Not even close to Kawhi Leonard situation from both sides.

[brownbobcat]

Dame age 33 wants to win right now not wait for a bit more building. I know his contract has 3 years but he won't be happy

There's absolutely nothing stopping him from demanding a trade again while playing like dookie if the Raptors don't start the season out strong. The window is 1 year at best, not at least.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

This is probably as close to Curry as we're going to get.

[TravisScott55]

So tired of this saga

[mtcan]

have to have at least some commitment from lillard to the raptors. don't need a player who from day one is going to be angry.

Dame has zero incentive to be a whiny bitch if he gets traded to Toronto. Why?

1) new CBA protects the team from guys doing what Ben Simmons did.

2) Dame is already in the latter part of his career so every year counts when trying to win a championship. Wasting even one year would be stupid.

3) Winning makes everything better. We have a front office that is willing to make the big moves and besides. A deep playoff run will fix things.

4) Dame is too competitive to not give his all and once again...playing with Pascal Siakam, Scottie Barnes and Jakob Poeltl is easily the best roster Dame will have ever played with.

[Yeezus_]

When did these trade proposals start to not include OG?

Is it even feasible to keep OG and pay him his worth? Someone please chime in with the tax implications around the core of Lillard, OG, Barnes, Siakam and Poeltl. Presumably, Barnes will get something close to the rookie max extension next summer too that will take into effect in 2 years.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Pretty quiet on Twitter and no inside sources have come out yet according to Grange and his source a deal would likely get done early in week and it's Tuesday afternoon.

I don't want this to be a typical fake comeback situation for the raptors of going all in and then Port just sending him off to Miami regardless. Imo I think if that happens then a trade for Siakam to AtL likely happens.

Nah, Siakam's in town doing press with John Tavares. I think Toronto isn't going to ship him out just because this Portland deal didn't materialize.

Here's how the media has played this in chronological order:

1) Portland will seek to drum up a market to get Miami to up their offer and trade Dame before camp.
2) A mystery team is announced.
3) Media starts saying Toronto is rudderless, clueless, baffling.
4) Toronto is named 'a serious contender for Dame'
5) Media starts frothing. Dame will make life miserable.
6) Media says Dame will show up and be professional.
7) Miami says they have enough without Dame.
8) Portland says trade with Miami 'unlikely.'

Portland clearly wants Miami to up their offer, so that Toronto can also up their offer. Toronto can also threaten to walk away and then Portland is left with accepting Miami's lowball. So Portland can't be too cute here. They only have two bidders, and one that has been playing dirty the whole summer.

[greekman]

barnes is going to have to improve a lot for the team to contend. they gain shroder and lillard and lost fvv and og. but the alternative is treadmill until barnes gets better

[BetterCallSaul]

Dame will go to the heat. We are probably just in cahoots with the Heat and other teams to help their leverage play for whatever deal we actually have on the table. This means we might be part of it and could benefit from it happening but I don't see dame on the raps.

[WaltFrazier]

You can only hit a Home Run if you're doing a good job in between those 5-6 years lol

And we are so far away now from having the 11 deep roster that made the Kawhi trade possible and still be a great team

That 11 deep roster was also a complete anomaly in all aspects and probably is not something any team can replicate.

That was arguably the greatest 5-6 year stretch of a GM hitting picks and trades that while is a skill, also requires a **** ton of luck.

That's why I said, we are so far away from that 11 deep team. Even if that was rare, we are not even close, having had such a bad bench the past two years. We are just beginning to maybe building depth up to an average level of bench.

[cbosh4mvp]

Dame shouldnt go to the heat, it's a great place to live of course and a winning culture but in Canada, he can really make a legacy for himself if he even just wins 1 Ring.

[nonameguy]

I think Ayton, OG and precious to Portland, nurkic and Gary to suns, Dame to raps is fair.Portland doesn’t need another wing shooter.

I don't know why I keep seeing this idea -- Ayton has a lot more value than Nurk, why does Phoenix do it?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

When did these trade proposals start to not include OG?

Is it even feasible to keep OG and pay him his worth? Someone please chime in with the tax implications around the core of Lillard, OG, Barnes, Siakam and Poeltl. Presumably, Barnes will get something close to the rookie max extension next summer too that will take into effect in 2 years.

If Portland just wants Dick, it could shake out a bunch of different ways. So, it's possible.

We'd basically have GS's payroll. Maybe we risk him walking, we have his rights.

[PhilBlackson]

lillard is younger than kd and steph
has had much less mileage as well in the years he has played, not many playoff games, started league a a older rookie.

KD and Curry are top-20 players of all time, Lillard is not.

Lillard will be the same age for the 23/24 season as Curry was when he won his last ring.

KD barely gets through the season these days and can't carry a team solo anymore.

KD & Steph at age 33 also can't be had for just OG + Dick lol + a couple of what would be mid to late 1sts (essentially 4 roleplayers)

No Dame isn't a top 20 all time but he's still amongst the top 50 & nothing to scoff at coming off a season leading the league in scoring. I don't understand the complaint when the asking price is basically literally just short of a handful of roleplayers. Dame immediately makes the team a top 4-5 team with a REAL shot at making a Finals but especially once the franchise has had some time to fill out the roster over time starting with the trade deadline this season so there's room for upward growth.

I just don't get what's this "vision" for the team that you posters like you see if we don't make the move, please tell me.

Because say we backed out, likely then flipped Pascal to ATL (or heck extend him) what real difference will there be on the trajectory for the team? Because right now idc if you trade Pascal for AJ & maaaaybe you squeeze them for Bufkin (although that may not happen), regardless him & AJ are nice prospects but they're not blue chippers. If you have them when do realistically do think they even make the Playoffs better yet become a top 4 team in the East (which Dame would do almost immediately) and then how soon do you think they'd ever even be a real threat to win???? PLEASE ANSWER THAT.

Because as I see it...we're going to be a mid ass team, not bad enough to get the top picks or good enough to really make a Playoffs for AT LEAST 2-3 years if you trade Pascal. So we don't have a pick next year because again we just wouldn't be bad enough, so now Scottie would be finishing his rookie contract which basically gives you 4 years to be truly relevant. Are you confident that guys like AJ, Dick and maybe Bufkin are gonna be good enough by then to be in any form of contention?! Because I don't see another prospect at Scottie's level where if they reached near their potential that would catapult them into top 4 conversation. Sure I could see MAYBE they reach the level of guys like OG, Fred or highside Pascal but then you're right back NEAR the same damn ceiling you were with this core and that's just what you're HOPEFUL of...I'm CERTAIN that with Dame & a bit of time to tweak the roster that we'd be a completely relevant team, the other route, not so much.

[brownbobcat]

That's why I said, we are so far away from that 11 deep team. Even if that was rare, we are not even close, having had such a bad bench the past two years. We are just beginning to maybe building depth up to an average level of bench.

So many things would have to roll their way, including big improvements shown by Barnes, Achiuwa, GTJ - even McDaniels. That would put them in a much better position to then flip picks for vets like Dinwiddie, Caruso, etc.