GT #33 | Cavs @ Raptors | January 1st, 7:30PM EST SN

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going from thibodo offense where brunson and randle have the ball 90% of the time to the raptors will help rj develop consistency

Pretty impressive that Randle/Brunson have the ball 90% of the time, yet RJ found a way to average 27% usage the last 3 years. Weird right?

it's hyperbole but not that far off

It is exceptionally far off. Siakam has 38 career games averaging 20+/7+/7+.

[YogurtProducer]

Temples great if we have a good team but this team needs to take chances on as many undrafted guys and start hitting somewhat like they did in the past.

Also we already had Thad and Porter on this team lol.

Undrafted FAs historically have a very small hit rate - with every team now having 3 two-way deals the hit rate for guys available drops even more (as the alternative to Temple is about 90 players shallower than it would’ve been pre-two way).

The whole idea behind the 2-ways was a way to get teams more spots for projects while being able to still have vets. It’s why every bad team has vets still.

Detroit has Bogdan, Burks, Harris
Wiz have Gallinari
Raps have Temple and Thad
Charlotte has Ish Smith
Orlando got Ingles
Rockets have Boban and Green

The only teams who really didn’t were Spurs and Blazers who probably actively didn’t grab them as they wanna suck

Hilarious how you named all those guys and didn't realize they all practically play for their teams except our vets and Boban lol.

None of them outside of Bogdan have more than a minor bench role and play about the same amount as Porter Jr or Boucher do.

The reality is Temple is on the roster in place of one of Ron Harper Jr, JFL, or Nowell. And in their place they are there instead of some other random G-League guy that if there were more rounds in the draft would be the equivalent of a 4th or 5th rounder. The bottom half of the 2nd round is like a less than 10% chance of being a bench player. Whatever Temple is replacing is like a 1% chance of becoming something.

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Undrafted FAs historically have a very small hit rate - with every team now having 3 two-way deals the hit rate for guys available drops even more (as the alternative to Temple is about 90 players shallower than it would’ve been pre-two way).

The whole idea behind the 2-ways was a way to get teams more spots for projects while being able to still have vets. It’s why every bad team has vets still.

Detroit has Bogdan, Burks, Harris
Wiz have Gallinari
Raps have Temple and Thad
Charlotte has Ish Smith
Orlando got Ingles
Rockets have Boban and Green

The only teams who really didn’t were Spurs and Blazers who probably actively didn’t grab them as they wanna suck

Hilarious how you named all those guys and didn't realize they all practically play for their teams except our vets and Boban lol.

None of them outside of Bogdan have more than a minor bench role and play about the same amount as Porter Jr or Boucher do.

The reality is Temple is on the roster in place of one of Ron Harper Jr, JFL, or Nowell. And in their place they are there instead of some other random G-League guy that if there were more rounds in the draft would be the equivalent of a 4th or 5th rounder. The bottom half of the 2nd round is like a less than 10% chance of being a bench player. Whatever Temple is replacing is like a 1% chance of becoming something.

Now Thad on the other hand.....

[GoRapstheoriginal]

Ok it's almost 6 pm ET any word on starting line ups? I don't have Twitter.

[Stromile12]

Time is moving very slowly.

[YogurtProducer]

Hilarious how you named all those guys and didn't realize they all practically play for their teams except our vets and Boban lol.

None of them outside of Bogdan have more than a minor bench role and play about the same amount as Porter Jr or Boucher do.

The reality is Temple is on the roster in place of one of Ron Harper Jr, JFL, or Nowell. And in their place they are there instead of some other random G-League guy that if there were more rounds in the draft would be the equivalent of a 4th or 5th rounder. The bottom half of the 2nd round is like a less than 10% chance of being a bench player. Whatever Temple is replacing is like a 1% chance of becoming something.

Now Thad on the other hand.....

Exact same situation as Temple, except Thad can still be used as useful salary filler. It is not like we have kept Thad/Temple over draft picks or something. If one of Banton / Harper Jr / Champagnie / Downtin end up being good NBA players you have somewhat of an argument, but there really is nothing to suggest they will.

The team has determined that some vet presence would be better for the team than some random 19-22 year old that likely has no future in the NBA.

I also personally would rather take the younger players but I also understand the odds of them hitting are so fundamentally low that wasting this much energy complaining about it is just really weird

[SFour]

it would be a typical Raptors move to bring IQ off the bench....like this isn't a bottom of the barrel team.

[Tor_Raps]

None of them outside of Bogdan have more than a minor bench role and play about the same amount as Porter Jr or Boucher do.

The reality is Temple is on the roster in place of one of Ron Harper Jr, JFL, or Nowell. And in their place they are there instead of some other random G-League guy that if there were more rounds in the draft would be the equivalent of a 4th or 5th rounder. The bottom half of the 2nd round is like a less than 10% chance of being a bench player. Whatever Temple is replacing is like a 1% chance of becoming something.

Now Thad on the other hand.....

Exact same situation as Temple, except Thad can still be used as useful salary filler. It is not like we have kept Thad/Temple over draft picks or something. If one of Banton / Harper Jr / Champagnie / Downtin end up being good NBA players you have somewhat of an argument, but there really is nothing to suggest they will.

The team has determined that some vet presence would be better for the team than some random 19-22 year old that likely has no future in the NBA.

I also personally would rather take the younger players but I also understand the odds of them hitting are so fundamentally low that wasting this much energy complaining about it is just really weird

You're the one writing essays defending having useless Vets on the roster... maybe you should save the energy here loll

[WuTang_CMB]

Man rip the fkin band aid off and start IQ

As you said its not like you have steph curry on the bench.

Goof

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None of them outside of Bogdan have more than a minor bench role and play about the same amount as Porter Jr or Boucher do.

The reality is Temple is on the roster in place of one of Ron Harper Jr, JFL, or Nowell. And in their place they are there instead of some other random G-League guy that if there were more rounds in the draft would be the equivalent of a 4th or 5th rounder. The bottom half of the 2nd round is like a less than 10% chance of being a bench player. Whatever Temple is replacing is like a 1% chance of becoming something.

Now Thad on the other hand.....

Exact same situation as Temple, except Thad can still be used as useful salary filler. It is not like we have kept Thad/Temple over draft picks or something. If one of Banton / Harper Jr / Champagnie / Downtin end up being good NBA players you have somewhat of an argument, but there really is nothing to suggest they will.

The team has determined that some vet presence would be better for the team than some random 19-22 year old that likely has no future in the NBA.

I also personally would rather take the younger players but I also understand the odds of them hitting are so fundamentally low that wasting this much energy complaining about it is just really weird

The issues are a bit lessened now that Precious is gone, but having so much money tied up in players that are useless (on court)/ never see the floor, while having no bench is a hard pill to swallow lol.

As for the salary filler bit, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been hearing that for like 3 years

[TorontoBarneys]

Scottie and IQ masterclass with a loss lets goooo!!

Win or loss, I think Masai is going to trade Siakam.

Seeing Masai finally finished evaluating, I'm cheering for the raptors to win now, not to make the play-in, but for some good momentum for new Scottie-Quickley era

Honestly I was chilling with potential Siakam trades but after that quote today I kinda just wanna dump him by the deadline no matter what. I really don't wanna deal with the headache if he leaves this summer.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Man rip the fkin band aid off and start IQ

As you said its not like you have steph curry on the bench.

Goof

Darko starting Trent? He best start Quickly at least

[YogurtProducer]

Now Thad on the other hand.....

Exact same situation as Temple, except Thad can still be used as useful salary filler. It is not like we have kept Thad/Temple over draft picks or something. If one of Banton / Harper Jr / Champagnie / Downtin end up being good NBA players you have somewhat of an argument, but there really is nothing to suggest they will.

The team has determined that some vet presence would be better for the team than some random 19-22 year old that likely has no future in the NBA.

I also personally would rather take the younger players but I also understand the odds of them hitting are so fundamentally low that wasting this much energy complaining about it is just really weird

The issues are a bit lessened now that Precious is gone, but having so much money tied up in players that are useless (on court)/ never see the floor, while having no bench is a hard pill to swallow lol.

As for the salary filler bit, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been hearing that for like 3 years

I mean it might end up never be being used (the salary filler), but it is the kind of thing that you would rather have and not use than have a deal pop up you cant complete and then wish you had it.

Edit: and if the cost is not being able to pick up a random UDFA, I say it is worth it.

And who cares where the money is tied up? We couldn't use that money elsewhere anyways - it 100% only exists as a form of salary filler.

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Exact same situation as Temple, except Thad can still be used as useful salary filler. It is not like we have kept Thad/Temple over draft picks or something. If one of Banton / Harper Jr / Champagnie / Downtin end up being good NBA players you have somewhat of an argument, but there really is nothing to suggest they will.

The team has determined that some vet presence would be better for the team than some random 19-22 year old that likely has no future in the NBA.

I also personally would rather take the younger players but I also understand the odds of them hitting are so fundamentally low that wasting this much energy complaining about it is just really weird

The issues are a bit lessened now that Precious is gone, but having so much money tied up in players that are useless (on court)/ never see the floor, while having no bench is a hard pill to swallow lol.

As for the salary filler bit, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been hearing that for like 3 years

I mean it might end up never be being used (the salary filler), but it is the kind of thing that you would rather have and not use than have a deal pop up you cant complete and then wish you had it.

Edit: and if the cost is not being able to pick up a random UDFA, I say it is worth it.

And who cares where the money is tied up? We couldn't use that money elsewhere anyways - it 100% only exists as a form of salary filler.

I'm not losing any sleep over it for sure, but I tire of seeing multiple forwards that rot on the bench doing nothing.

[YogurtProducer]

The issues are a bit lessened now that Precious is gone, but having so much money tied up in players that are useless (on court)/ never see the floor, while having no bench is a hard pill to swallow lol.

As for the salary filler bit, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been hearing that for like 3 years

I mean it might end up never be being used (the salary filler), but it is the kind of thing that you would rather have and not use than have a deal pop up you cant complete and then wish you had it.

Edit: and if the cost is not being able to pick up a random UDFA, I say it is worth it.

And who cares where the money is tied up? We couldn't use that money elsewhere anyways - it 100% only exists as a form of salary filler.

I'm not losing any sleep over it for sure, but I tire of seeing multiple forwards that rot on the bench doing nothing.

You obviously would prefer useful vets that can play - but it is not Thad vs 8M for another vet, it is Thad vs a flier on a G-League guy (which we can still do if we really want to, you can easily cut Thad after the deadline).

[TimeForChange]

Darko is starting Dennis...my god

[greekman]

remember when wiggins was first traded to gs ? that's the turnaround we're about to see with rj

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I mean it might end up never be being used (the salary filler), but it is the kind of thing that you would rather have and not use than have a deal pop up you cant complete and then wish you had it.

Edit: and if the cost is not being able to pick up a random UDFA, I say it is worth it.

And who cares where the money is tied up? We couldn't use that money elsewhere anyways - it 100% only exists as a form of salary filler.

I'm not losing any sleep over it for sure, but I tire of seeing multiple forwards that rot on the bench doing nothing.

You obviously would prefer useful vets that can play - but it is not Thad vs 8M for another vet, it is Thad vs a flier on a G-League guy (which we can still do if we really want to, you can easily cut Thad after the deadline).

Normally I wouldn't mind the vet salary, but this team is in desperate need of finding a gem, and at this point we gotta try everything.

[YogurtProducer]

I'm not losing any sleep over it for sure, but I tire of seeing multiple forwards that rot on the bench doing nothing.

You obviously would prefer useful vets that can play - but it is not Thad vs 8M for another vet, it is Thad vs a flier on a G-League guy (which we can still do if we really want to, you can easily cut Thad after the deadline).

Normally I wouldn't mind the vet salary, but this team is in desperate need of finding a gem, and at this point we gotta try everything.

With all the rumblings of immaturity and culture issues around this team, the vet presence might be more important for our current youth

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You obviously would prefer useful vets that can play - but it is not Thad vs 8M for another vet, it is Thad vs a flier on a G-League guy (which we can still do if we really want to, you can easily cut Thad after the deadline).

Normally I wouldn't mind the vet salary, but this team is in desperate need of finding a gem, and at this point we gotta try everything.

With all the rumblings of immaturity and culture issues around this team, the vet presence might be more important for our current youth

If they have been happening with both of the vets on the team, it can't really be having that much of an impact either