2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 2

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Dude is just a baller and you always bet on ballers.

When I watch anyones game I always ask if he can translate to the NBA. This kid can. Great numbers, great feel and you can see the talent. 70%TS and 8.5 BPM. USG 18%

His BPM is probably over 12. It was 12.1 a couple games ago before BPM got broken on sports reference.

[WuTang_CMB]

Dude is just a baller and you always bet on ballers.

When I watch anyones game I always ask if he can translate to the NBA. This kid can. Great numbers, great feel and you can see the talent. 70%TS and 8.5 BPM. USG 18%

His BPM is probably over 12. It was 12.1 a couple games ago before BPM got broken on sports reference.

Even better. He was at 14 not to long ago also

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Reed should definitely be top 5. Players like Deron Williams have gone high. Reed shows elements of like a Mark Price and John Stockton. His floor is a 6'3 Fred VanVleet.

I don't believe in Reed's passing enough to whip out names like those. I also don't believe in his handle or floor navigation to compare him to FVV anymore except in terms of some likely statistical production similarities.

I think Dean might have hit the nail on the head in him being something like a poor man's Caruso and poor man's Steph rolled into one. A modern NBA version of Hinrich makes sense to me too, so take Hinrich's best years and then add some 3 point volume to them and higher shooting efficiency and stocks per 36 due to pace.

When was the last time a player shot over 50% from 3 over a full season on over 3 attempts per game?

There are a lot of other guards on Kentucky. If he was the man like Steph at Davidson, he'd have closer to 6-7 apg. At least his A/T is over 2 as a freshman (though closer to sophomore age).

A lot of his assists come from easy passes to Dillingham or Reeves on the perimeter. There are certain passes Reed has shown proficiency with like full court outlet passes to catch teammates cherry picking as well as lob passes. There are other passes that he has struggled with, such as when he is driving and his defender stays in front of him and he has to bail out of the drive and find a teammate either after collecting his dribble or off the dribble - he has made some memorable passes this year in this scenario which have led to turnovers. I view Reed as a safe and smart passer overall and that's all he needs to be because his facilitating is secondary to his scoring. When you bring up Stockton and Price these are guys with probably an average 45 AST% between them and Reed is not and will never be that kind of player.

[billy_hoyle]

The surround Scottie with shooters draft:

Sheppard at 4th-6th
Tyler Smith at Pacers pick
Ivisic at 31

IQ - Sheppard
RJ - Dick
Patrick Williams - Ochai
Barnes - Tyler Smith
Yak - Ivisic/Olynyk


Let GTJ and BBJ expire to sign Pat Will

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Tyler Smith is really behind as a defender but I think he at least looks like he's trying (to whatever really limited ability he possesses) and that enough effort can be made to get him to an acceptable level of defense on the NBA stage by the time he's like 23-24 if you buy into his offense enough and his motivation. Those are already two big conditions required for him to succeed as a positive asset on an NBA floor. He will need to really stand out on offense to make up for his D. His stock totals are deceptive and he's a poor defender right now. I think trying to get a feel for his drive and mentality will be really important in his evaluation but it does seem like he is making strides to some degree and does impact the offensive glass and show some indicators of desire.

Generally I don't like betting on these types and would rather take more well-rounded guys with blatant drive. I'm still trying to feel him out.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Cody Williams in his last 5 games avging 32.6 mins per g:

Totals -

2 steals
12 free throws
8 assists
17 turnovers
0 offensive boards

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

The surround Scottie with shooters draft:

Sheppard at 4th-6th
Tyler Smith at Pacers pick
Ivisic at 31

IQ - Sheppard
RJ - Dick
Patrick Williams - Ochai
Barnes - Tyler Smith
Yak - Ivisic/Olynyk


Let GTJ and BBJ expire to sign Pat Will

This is where I'm at if we get like the 6th pick and I'll just assume Tyson is a 2nd rounder for this exercise even though I view him as a borderline lottery talent:

6: Sheppard
15: Ware
31: Tyson

Would be extremely happy with this outcome.

[Mark_83]

Assuming we don't keep our pick and guys like Holland, Dillingham, Sheppard, and Salaun don't fall to the Pacers pick, my current watch list is:

15) Carter / Furphy / Ware / Smith
31) Ivisic / Yang / Chomche / Holmes / Kolek

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[JShuttlesworth]

What a game from Reed, I've been a fan all season long, whoever drafts him is going to be very happy

[alpngso]

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2/28:

1. Nikola Topic
2. Reed Sheppard
3. Alexandre Sarr
4. Zaccharie Risacher
5. Ron Holland
6. Kel'el Ware
7. Matas Buzelis
8. Cody Williams
9. Devin Carter
10. Jaylon Tyson
11. Rob Dillingham
12. Tyler Kolek
13. Tyler Smith
14. Johnny Furphy

[UnbelievablyRAW]

This is where I'm at right now:

If we move up: Z Rischar

IND pick: D Carter

DET pick: D Holmes II

To piggyback…

If we move up…I’ll list 3 at each I’d be happy with

Move up: Zach, Tidj or Sarr

IND pick: Furphy, Smith or Collier

DET: Big Z, Yang or Chomche

I'm honestly moreso swinging at one of the guard prospects if we move up. Rather use a later pick on a big like Ivisic, Holmes etc. We already have most likely Kelly locked up and unless we trade Poeltl thats 30 million at the centre position. I think only one of the bigs/forwards mocked in the lottery can shoot (one of the French kids, I think it was Tidj) and even then they aren't a great rebounder or big enough to play stretch 5 really. If we're going to get a non-shooting big I'm not taking them top 5 unless they are undeniable

I'm also not sold that RJ/Quick can be the longterm 1/2 so if we can pick up a Topic/Sheppard/Dillingham I'd do it easily.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

2/28:

1. Nikola Topic
2. Reed Sheppard
3. Alexandre Sarr
4. Zaccharie Risacher
5. Ron Holland
6. Kel'el Ware
7. Matas Buzelis
8. Cody Williams
9. Devin Carter
10. Jaylon Tyson
11. Rob Dillingham
12. Tyler Kolek
13. Tyler Smith
14. Johnny Furphy

Not falling for the Devin Carter hype. Sasser and Colby Jones were also dominating the NCAA as 22/23 year olds and aren't shaking up the league. Same with Davion getting drafted so early even though he was already over 20 dominating freshmen.

Jaime has worked out for the Heat, but I'm only reaching for an older rookie if I'm a playoff team with a set core that needs bench pieces that can somewhat play now.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

This is where I'm at right now:

If we move up: Z Rischar

IND pick: D Carter

DET pick: D Holmes II

To piggyback…

If we move up…I’ll list 3 at each I’d be happy with

Move up: Zach, Tidj or Sarr

IND pick: Furphy, Smith or Collier

DET: Big Z, Yang or Chomche

I'm honestly moreso swinging at one of the guard prospects if we move up. Rather use a later pick on a big like Ivisic, Holmes etc. We already have most likely Kelly locked up and unless we trade Poeltl thats 30 million at the centre position. I think only one of the bigs/forwards mocked in the lottery can shoot (one of the French kids, I think it was Tidj) and even then they aren't a great rebounder or big enough to play stretch 5 really. If we're going to get a non-shooting big I'm not taking them top 5 unless they are undeniable

I'm also not sold that RJ/Quick can be the longterm 1/2 so if we can pick up a Topic/Sheppard/Dillingham I'd do it easily.

Do you think Sheppard and Dick can provide solid enough contain and contest ability on D starting long term together?

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

2/28:

1. Nikola Topic
2. Reed Sheppard
3. Alexandre Sarr
4. Zaccharie Risacher
5. Ron Holland
6. Kel'el Ware
7. Matas Buzelis
8. Cody Williams
9. Devin Carter
10. Jaylon Tyson
11. Rob Dillingham
12. Tyler Kolek
13. Tyler Smith
14. Johnny Furphy

Not falling for the Devin Carter hype. Sasser and Colby Jones were also dominating the NCAA as 22/23 year olds and aren't shaking up the league. Same with Davion getting drafted so early even though he was already over 20 dominating freshmen.

Jaime has worked out for the Heat, but I'm only reaching for an older rookie if I'm a playoff team with a set core that needs bench pieces that can somewhat play now.

So Carter is hyped strictly based on the fact he's a junior and because a few collegiate junior players in your recent memory haven't or seem to not be panning out is therefore an overrated player based on the outcomes of completely different athletes/human beings?

It's ok to not like Carter but I don't think that reasoning is sound. Keeping in mind my list is based on who I think will be the most valuable players in the class and not who has the highest perceived ceiling (that in most cases is not reached).

[RoteSchroder]

Not falling for the Devin Carter hype. Sasser and Colby Jones were also dominating the NCAA as 22/23 year olds and aren't shaking up the league. Same with Davion getting drafted so early even though he was already over 20 dominating freshmen.

Jaime has worked out for the Heat, but I'm only reaching for an older rookie if I'm a playoff team with a set core that needs bench pieces that can somewhat play now.

Many people still like Sasser even now. His shooting numbers are decent, 58.5 TS% with 7.7 PTS per game. It's not bad value at all for where he was drafted (#25). He's 6'1, which is undersized in today's game. Carter's 6'3 and plays bigger than his height.

Colby Jones on the other hand, was considered a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of player. His shooting volume as a junior was much lower compared to the other two. Sasser took 6.9 3's per game, Carter's at 6.5 per game, Colby was at 3.3. Also, it's still too early to judge whether Colby makes it as a rotation player in the NBA.

Another older rookie who had good college numbers was Malachi Flynn. We've seen several instances of Flynn dominating at lower levels, even in preseason, but he struggles against NBA athleticism, length and speed. It's one of the reasons why a lot of college players don't pan out. Shooters will struggle if they're shorter and have a slow ass release with no step back moves. Unathletic and short slashers will struggle if they lack creativity at the rim.

Devin Carter as a junior averages better numbers than Sasser did as a senior (worse in advanced stats though). And Carter's more athletic, taller, longer. If you tell me that Carter's verticality translates to the NBA and can also put up efficient shooting numbers off the bench, that's a win. He's a high floor low upside prospect in the first place. You're probably drafting him to be a bench player. Ultimately, his value in the NBA as an asset will depend on his defense imo (I think his strengths are more so at contesting/deflecting than staying in front of his man and fighting through screens though). His offense does look kind of awkward, but he's the type of player you put alongside a point forward or a lead guard.

In terms of whether we should draft him or not, that depends on the team's strategy. We can go for a high floor player at 17 and a potential bust at 31/32 rather than the other way around. If you're a team trying to compete like the Lakers, Milwaukee, Minny etc., I think they definitely should go for someone like Carter.

[billy_hoyle]

The surround Scottie with shooters draft:

Sheppard at 4th-6th
Tyler Smith at Pacers pick
Ivisic at 31

IQ - Sheppard
RJ - Dick
Patrick Williams - Ochai
Barnes - Tyler Smith
Yak - Ivisic/Olynyk


Let GTJ and BBJ expire to sign Pat Will

This is where I'm at if we get like the 6th pick and I'll just assume Tyson is a 2nd rounder for this exercise even though I view him as a borderline lottery talent:

6: Sheppard
15: Ware
31: Tyson

Would be extremely happy with this outcome.

I'd like that draft.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I think we need to come to the realization that we’re most likely not keeping our own pick.