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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#101 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:28 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Brunson
McBribe
Bridges
OG
Kat

??


Robinson
Kat
OG
Bridges
Brunson

Like this for the Knicks

I personally think this team is better than Boston if healthy. Brunson is more of an alpha than either Brown or Tatum.


Not enough shooting in your lineup, yes og Mikal and even Kat can hit the 3, but not really snipers
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#102 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:29 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:Pretty sure ny has to send out more salary

They will be resigning players as fillers and then trading them to Charlotte. Dequan Jefferies, bates diop etc.


Is that even legal?
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#103 » by MEDIC » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:30 pm

I love what the Knicks have done with that team. My kind of team. I will be rooting for them.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#104 » by Zeno » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:31 pm

I just don’t see it with the Knicks now, KAT as a your 5 is a bad idea. Thibs with no depth is a bad idea. They are right at the hardcap. They will not be a great rebounding team anymore. Their defence will be average. They should be very very good on offence though. Still the downside risk and lack of flexibility is huge.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#105 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:37 pm

Zeno wrote:I just don’t see it with the Knicks now, KAT as a your 5 is a bad idea. Thibs with no depth is a bad idea. They are right at the hardcap. They will not be a great rebounding team anymore. Their defence will be average. They should be very very good on offence though. Still the downside risk and lack of flexibility is huge.


Yeah I don't like them getting rid of the depth.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#106 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:42 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Brunson
McBribe
Bridges
OG
Kat

??


Robinson
Kat
OG
Bridges
Brunson

Like this for the Knicks

I personally think this team is better than Boston if healthy. Brunson is more of an alpha than either Brown or Tatum.


Not enough shooting in your lineup, yes og Mikal and even Kat can hit the 3, but not really snipers

Hasn't KAT been labeled the best big man shooter ever? Isn't OG near the top in corner threes? McBride is a good shooter too and will play more with DDV gone, and he's a good defender too.

There are risks of course, no roster is perfect. But it's refreshing to see a team really go all in
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#107 » by douggood » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:44 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
navyblue wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Pretty sure ny has to send out more salary

They will be resigning players as fillers and then trading them to Charlotte. Dequan Jefferies, bates diop etc.


Is that even legal?

yes

looks like the finals trade will look like

knicks - towns
twolves - randle, DD, bates diop, 1st
cha - charlie brown and dequan jeffereies (both s&t, 3 year contracts, 1st year guranteed), draft compensation from nyk

cause of the "touching" rule, cha and twolves will have to send something to each other, so expect some fake 2nds, cash etc to be part of the trade as well.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#108 » by Shakril » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:45 pm

Knicks needed a Center after Robinson is injured and Hartenstein out. Kat was it seems available and they wanted to offload Randle anyway.

It is an upgrade for the Knicks. For the Wolves it is a moneymove.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#109 » by bluerap23 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:49 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Towns 49M
Gobert 43M
Edwards 42M
McDaniels 23M
Naz Reid: FA next year.


It was going to be almost impossible to keep everyone together. It was basically Reid or Towns and they decided to keep the younger and cheaper Reid.


I actually think Naz is just as good as Kat when you factor in intangibles
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#110 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:50 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
Robinson
Kat
OG
Bridges
Brunson

Like this for the Knicks

I personally think this team is better than Boston if healthy. Brunson is more of an alpha than either Brown or Tatum.


Not enough shooting in your lineup, yes og Mikal and even Kat can hit the 3, but not really snipers

Hasn't KAT been labeled the best big man shooter ever? Isn't OG near the top in corner threes? McBride is a good shooter too and will play more with DDV gone, and he's a good defender too.

There are risks of course, no roster is perfect. But it's refreshing to see a team really go all in


I'm not madd at the trade from the Knicks perspective, I get it. I was just talking about the lineups, that's why I like McBribe with the starters instead of Robinson
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#111 » by bluerap23 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:51 pm

NinjaBro wrote:Ok I'm now seeing that NY have to add in a FRP via Det, yikes. I'm not sure how I feel about this now. Donte was huge for them last year and a great glue piece. Det's pick will obviously be huge. All for a constantly injured KAT...

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Kat works in the SL so much better than Randle though
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#112 » by treerollins » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:52 pm

reid steps in for kat and ddv ateps on for 6moy. knicks needed a scorer and a center. will be fun to watch.
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Post#113 » by TimeForChange » Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:59 pm

Ant and Randle won't work. That's a terrible trade by Minny imo.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#114 » by DG88 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:06 pm

I think people forget that Mitchell Robinson will be their 5 man. KAT will hold the fort there until Robinson's return. After that they will have the interior D along with the perimeter D to lock down teams. They did this trade to beat the Celtics.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#115 » by DreamTeam09 » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:09 pm

douggood wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
navyblue wrote:They will be resigning players as fillers and then trading them to Charlotte. Dequan Jefferies, bates diop etc.


Is that even legal?

yes

looks like the finals trade will look like

knicks - towns
twolves - randle, DD, bates diop, 1st
cha - charlie brown and dequan jeffereies (both s&t, 3 year contracts, 1st year guranteed), draft compensation from nyk

cause of the "touching" rule, cha and twolves will have to send something to each other, so expect some fake 2nds, cash etc to be part of the trade as well.


Help me understand, I thought you couldn't SnT & aggregate salary for a trade? Is it because those guys are going to the 3rd team in the Hornets & Diop was already signed if I'm not mistaken?
Or does that rule no longer exists
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#116 » by douggood » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:10 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
douggood wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Is that even legal?

yes

looks like the finals trade will look like

knicks - towns
twolves - randle, DD, bates diop, 1st
cha - charlie brown and dequan jeffereies (both s&t, 3 year contracts, 1st year guranteed), draft compensation from nyk

cause of the "touching" rule, cha and twolves will have to send something to each other, so expect some fake 2nds, cash etc to be part of the trade as well.


Help me understand, I thought you couldn't SnT & aggregate salary for a trade? Is it because those guys are going to the 3rd team in the Hornets & Diop was already signed if I'm not mistaken?
Or does that rule no longer exists

that hasnt been the case for long time now, maybe 3 cba ago you couldnt s&t players in a trade, but now you can.

for example just look at the bridges trade the knicks did this offseaon, they signed and traded shake milton (3 year 9 mil, 1st year guranteed)
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#117 » by ConSarnit » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:12 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
Robinson
Kat
OG
Bridges
Brunson

Like this for the Knicks

I personally think this team is better than Boston if healthy. Brunson is more of an alpha than either Brown or Tatum.


Not enough shooting in your lineup, yes og Mikal and even Kat can hit the 3, but not really snipers

Hasn't KAT been labeled the best big man shooter ever? Isn't OG near the top in corner threes? McBride is a good shooter too and will play more with DDV gone, and he's a good defender too.

There are risks of course, no roster is perfect. But it's refreshing to see a team really go all in


If the Knicks don’t have enough shooting with this lineup then I don’t know how any team outside of maybe BOS has “enough” shooting. All of Brunson, Bridges, OG and Towns shoot around 5 3pa and all are over 38%. They don’t have an elite movement guy but they have 4 guys who need to be guarded at all times from 3.
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#118 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:23 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Brunson
McBribe
Bridges
OG
Kat

??


Robinson
Kat
OG
Bridges
Brunson

Like this for the Knicks

I personally think this team is better than Boston if healthy. Brunson is more of an alpha than either Brown or Tatum.


Not enough shooting in your lineup, yes og Mikal and even Kat can hit the 3, but not really snipers


What?! lol

KAT (40%) is a better shooter than Donte (37%) and can spot just as well if not better with the added height…not to mention how can you possibly say there’s not enough shooting. They have arguably the best shooting starting lineup in the league lol find me one better

Brunson - 40%
Bridges - 38%
OG - 38%
Towns - 40%
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Re: Shams: KAT to the Knicks 

Post#120 » by vini_vidi_vici » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:28 pm

DG88 wrote:I think people forget that Mitchell Robinson will be their 5 man. KAT will hold the fort there until Robinson's return. After that they will have the interior D along with the perimeter D to lock down teams. They did this trade to beat the Celtics.


I think thats a fair argument, but are you saying you bump out a Hart for MRob in terms of mins?? Wouldnt that also hurt the transition defense, speed on the perimeter by either KAT/MRob vs 4/5 out trad offense of this era?? Also its not just rim protection, KAT struggles as a PnR Roller defender too.

I also question who really is the second USG guy, is Bridges going to soak up alot of on ball possessions? KAT? McBride? Edit: And how much is that compounded in the POs when Brunson isnt as effective.

Should be interesting to watch for sure.
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