Masai Approval Rating Post-Deadline
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He turned a few bench guys into Brandon Ingram. Regardless of how it pans out, I applaud the move.
Mogbo, Battle and Shead have been very impressive.
Still a ways away from competing without interior defense and a viable 3 pt game but it’s a step in the right direction.
            
                                    
                                    
                        He turned a few bench guys into Brandon Ingram. Regardless of how it pans out, I applaud the move.
Mogbo, Battle and Shead have been very impressive.
Still a ways away from competing without interior defense and a viable 3 pt game but it’s a step in the right direction.
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To the people who think we're just going to sit Ingram the rest of the season... do you think it's a good idea to sign a player to an expensive long term contract without seeing if he can play effectively with the rest of the core?  What happens if he doesn't play this year, gets a big contract in the offseason, then 20 games into 2025-26 it's clear he's this group's Rudy Gay?
            
                                    
                                    
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ciueli wrote:To the people who think we're just going to sit Ingram the rest of the season... do you think it's a good idea to sign a player to an expensive long term contract without seeing if he can play effectively with the rest of the core? What happens if he doesn't play this year, gets a big contract in the offseason, then 20 games into 2025-26 it's clear he's this group's Rudy Gay?
You've already traded a 1st for him...
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ciueli wrote:To the people who think we're just going to sit Ingram the rest of the season... do you think it's a good idea to sign a player to an expensive long term contract without seeing if he can play effectively with the rest of the core? What happens if he doesn't play this year, gets a big contract in the offseason, then 20 games into 2025-26 it's clear he's this group's Rudy Gay?
there's also a chance he finds god and retires like aj griffin. what then?
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Masai has been cooking, from the OG, Siakam and Ochai trades to the draft and then to this year’s trade deadline. 
We are going to be adding a top 10 pick to this roster with all of our picks locked in for the future.
            
                                    
                                    
                        We are going to be adding a top 10 pick to this roster with all of our picks locked in for the future.
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As someone who has been super critical of Masai since 2020, this man has almost totally redeemed himself.  If this team lands a top 3 pick then we are the next potential powerhouse squad to look out for.
            
                                    
                                    
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Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:To the people who think we're just going to sit Ingram the rest of the season... do you think it's a good idea to sign a player to an expensive long term contract without seeing if he can play effectively with the rest of the core? What happens if he doesn't play this year, gets a big contract in the offseason, then 20 games into 2025-26 it's clear he's this group's Rudy Gay?
You've already traded a 1st for him...
Sign and trade deals are a thing.
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ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:To the people who think we're just going to sit Ingram the rest of the season... do you think it's a good idea to sign a player to an expensive long term contract without seeing if he can play effectively with the rest of the core? What happens if he doesn't play this year, gets a big contract in the offseason, then 20 games into 2025-26 it's clear he's this group's Rudy Gay?
You've already traded a 1st for him...
Sign and trade deals are a thing.
So don't sign him. If he's broken, someone will want to SnT for him?
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Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
You've already traded a 1st for him...
Sign and trade deals are a thing.
So don't sign him. If he's broken, someone will want to SnT for him?
I really have to spell this out for you? You use the rest of the season to see what you have with this group, if it’s not working you have the offseason to make changes, potentially one of those changes could be sign and trading Ingram to another team, we already know Atlanta wants him.
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ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:
Sign and trade deals are a thing.
So don't sign him. If he's broken, someone will want to SnT for him?
I really have to spell this out for you? You use the rest of the season to see what you have with this group, if it’s not working you have the offseason to make changes, potentially one of those changes could be sign and trading Ingram to another team, we already know Atlanta wants him.
Do I have to spell it out for you?
They've traded a 1st to extend Ingram. Bobby said so today. You don't risk it after trading a 1st for him. You lock him up.
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Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
So don't sign him. If he's broken, someone will want to SnT for him?
I really have to spell this out for you? You use the rest of the season to see what you have with this group, if it’s not working you have the offseason to make changes, potentially one of those changes could be sign and trading Ingram to another team, we already know Atlanta wants him.
Do I have to spell it out for you?
They've traded a 1st to extend Ingram. Bobby said so today. You don't risk it after trading a 1st for him. You lock him up.
It’s a mistake to sit him the rest of the season and not see how he fits with this team, I’m well aware of what they will do, I just disagree with it. Masai is a gambler desperate to save his job so I guess I should expect nothing less from him at this point.
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ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:
I really have to spell this out for you? You use the rest of the season to see what you have with this group, if it’s not working you have the offseason to make changes, potentially one of those changes could be sign and trading Ingram to another team, we already know Atlanta wants him.
Do I have to spell it out for you?
They've traded a 1st to extend Ingram. Bobby said so today. You don't risk it after trading a 1st for him. You lock him up.
It’s a mistake to sit him the rest of the season and not see how he fits with this team, I’m well aware of what they will do, I just disagree with it. Masai is a gambler desperate to save his job so I guess I should expect nothing less from him at this point.
What fit concern are you so worried about that it can't be resolved next year?
The answer is you keep Ingram and get adjust the other pieces.
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Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
Do I have to spell it out for you?
They've traded a 1st to extend Ingram. Bobby said so today. You don't risk it after trading a 1st for him. You lock him up.
It’s a mistake to sit him the rest of the season and not see how he fits with this team, I’m well aware of what they will do, I just disagree with it. Masai is a gambler desperate to save his job so I guess I should expect nothing less from him at this point.
What fit concern are you so worried about that it can't be resolved next year?
The answer is you keep Ingram and get adjust the other pieces.
The defence will be bad with IQ, Barrett, and Ingram on the floor at the same time. It would be best for them to know this before mid next season, gives a lot more time and options to address it.
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ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:
It’s a mistake to sit him the rest of the season and not see how he fits with this team, I’m well aware of what they will do, I just disagree with it. Masai is a gambler desperate to save his job so I guess I should expect nothing less from him at this point.
What fit concern are you so worried about that it can't be resolved next year?
The answer is you keep Ingram and get adjust the other pieces.
The defence will be bad with IQ, Barrett, and Ingram on the floor at the same time. It would be best for them to know this before mid next season, gives a lot more time and options to address it.
So you deal Barrett. We're not gonna be a contender next year, you have time.
Better to tank now.
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Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
What fit concern are you so worried about that it can't be resolved next year?
The answer is you keep Ingram and get adjust the other pieces.
The defence will be bad with IQ, Barrett, and Ingram on the floor at the same time. It would be best for them to know this before mid next season, gives a lot more time and options to address it.
So you deal Barrett. We're not gonna be a contender next year, you have time.
Better to tank now.
We can do both, I just want to see the 5 man core Masai is going to pay over $150M to next season play some games together before locking it in, if Ingram can only legitimately play 22 games in a season I think that’s cause for concern, no?
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ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:ciueli wrote:
The defence will be bad with IQ, Barrett, and Ingram on the floor at the same time. It would be best for them to know this before mid next season, gives a lot more time and options to address it.
So you deal Barrett. We're not gonna be a contender next year, you have time.
Better to tank now.
We can do both, I just want to see the 5 man core Masai is going to pay over $150M to next season play some games together before locking it in, if Ingram can only legitimately play 22 games in a season I think that’s cause for concern, no?
It may be cause for concern, but there’s no way of truly judging Ingram as a player until he has a season with us. Teams are always more motivated going into a season rather than trying to recapture a lost season. Plus, Toronto already has a hard time retaining talent or drawing talent via free agency, so why not sign him and if worst comes to worst, just trade him.
Why do you need to trade him early? To get out from having to pay him? If that’s the new found direction after seeing him for 20 games, then why did we throw away a first for him? Might as well sign him and try to find another team who could be a sucker. No matter how you slice it, the moment this trade was made, BI became our blessing or problem, depending on how you view it of-course lol.
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Solid B. I've liked his moves a lot more since the disastrous Jacob trade. We basically got Brandon Ingram for scraps, a near 20 PPG player is amazing work. I think it also creates some internal competition possibly making Barnes expendable. Wouldn't say BI is untouchable either, overall a good situation to be all things considered. Combined with our cap situation too, great job.
I am a bit worried about our tank. We absolutely need to put ourselves in the best situation for the draft. If we get a lot of late season "injuries" then I'll be way happier about our situation.
Masai/Bobby have done some good work but there's still a lot to be done.
            
                                    
                                    I am a bit worried about our tank. We absolutely need to put ourselves in the best situation for the draft. If we get a lot of late season "injuries" then I'll be way happier about our situation.
Masai/Bobby have done some good work but there's still a lot to be done.

Thanks Tubrozone!
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rapz101 wrote:ciueli wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
So you deal Barrett. We're not gonna be a contender next year, you have time.
Better to tank now.
We can do both, I just want to see the 5 man core Masai is going to pay over $150M to next season play some games together before locking it in, if Ingram can only legitimately play 22 games in a season I think that’s cause for concern, no?
It may be cause for concern, but there’s no way of truly judging Ingram as a player until he has a season with us. Teams are always more motivated going into a season rather than trying to recapture a lost season. Plus, Toronto already has a hard time retaining talent or drawing talent via free agency, so why not sign him and if worst comes to worst, just trade him.
Why do you need to trade him early? To get out from having to pay him? If that’s the new found direction after seeing him for 20 games, then why did we throw away a first for him? Might as well sign him and try to find another team who could be a sucker. No matter how you slice it, the moment this trade was made, BI became our blessing or problem, depending on how you view it of-course lol.
He’s listed as being out due to a left ankle sprain, there’s no way that should keep him out until the end of the season. If it does, he’s not a player we should be giving $35M+/year to because he’ll never be healthy.
I get that they will milk that injury for as many missed games as possible to ensure losses, but there should still be enough games to take a look at what we have without spoiling the tank. We already have a huge glut of swings on this roster (Ingram, Barrett, Dick, Walter, Agbaji, Battle) with a strong likelihood of drafting another, it would be nice to figure out which are keepers and which are expendable, we won’t learn that by sitting starters the rest of the season.
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This rebuild is going swimmingly lol
I reserve judgement til I see what BI signs for
            
                                    
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Mr_NC wrote:This rebuild is going swimmingly lol
I reserve judgement til I see what BI signs for
Bobby said both parties are in the same ball park.
Hopefully that's a number around 35mil AAV and not above 40mil.
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