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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#101 » by Scase » Thu May 15, 2025 6:31 pm

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Masai worked fine under Tanenbaum, who was a meddling owner. And he of course worked under Kroenke, who gave himself a basketball exec position.

Saleh is from Edmonton, and worked with the Spurs and Warriors. Masai worked with Bobby without having known him. I thought the interesting part was Giannis' agent also being in the mix. Saratsis and Masai are close. It could be that there's a Masai-Saratsis-Saleh framework like how Masai-Weltman and Webster worked together initially.

I have no real idea how things are in the organization but I never got the impression that Tanenbaum wanted to get involved in basketball decisions in any way ever. The Atlanta owner's son is reported to have got directly involved in basketball decisions. Masai left Denver to move up in pay of course but also in decision making. Just because he worked well in a bad situation in the past doesn't mean he will willing go to one in the future. It is not that I think he stays just the Atlanta situation seems like an undesirable one. I'll trust you one the Saratsis/Masai connection. Maybe Masai doesn't mind that the GM is hired already and that the owner's son wants to have a say in roster decisions but that is a less than ideal situation. The Raptors' situation is not that desirable either. Just expect Masai to want a job with more control not a step back to a level he has advanced past.


Joe Dumars went from Detroit to... Sacramento. Danny Ainge went to Utah as an advisor and worked his way into a takeover. Like, just because you build a winner doesn't mean you get to call your shot. The Raptors are in shambles right now and the Knicks and Wizards have moved on.

Yeah, you don't exactly have leverage when your performance is public, this is true of any exec or coach.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#102 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu May 15, 2025 6:32 pm

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Scase wrote:And if he fails to do that, but they re-sign him, then what?

Realistically, holding any exec to a single big name signing is a pretty stupid reason to sign or not. Players usually head where they want to nowadays, not sure I would put that on execs.



This is kinda where I'm at, I by no means think we should keep him because of the chicken littles out there thinking he's the only good exec in the entire world and no one out there could possibly do any better, but the consistency/stability is good to have. That said, he's been pretty awful the last 5 or so years, so not sure if that's the consistency we should want.


Whenever I hear someone who's indifferent or think we should fire/let Masai walk, I always ask, who would you replace him with? And so far, everytime, it's crickets... So who would you replace him with that isn't currently employed by another team, or at least realistically obtainable, that you are confident would do a better job?

Well yeah, it's not my job to find that person. Just because I think someone is doing a poor job, it doesn't mean I'm the one who needs to have the answer. I trust the people who actually hire and know the industry to do it. If they think Masai is the best bet, then so be it.

What I think is worse is the constant arguments of "Well there is no one better". Yeah, we heard that with BC as well, until we found someone better. No one wanted Nurse gone, until they did. I'm not saying fire Masai for the sake of firing him, I'm saying he's been doing a poor job for years now, and it's not unreasonable to think that someone else might do a better job. Sometimes you just need a change.

We aren't the spurs with Pop, we don't have decades of excellence to point to as a reason to have faith, we had 5 years of a climb resulting in an awesome chip, and we've had 5 years of a decline, resulting in some of the worst records in our franchises history and without much to show for it. I think it's pretty reasonable.

Would you keep an employee on board who has been bad for half a decade? I don't think I would. You also have to take into account that this employee in question is the highest paid employee in the company, and you're getting bad or mediocre results. That's flat out not worth it, what we've seen the last 5 or so years does not match the price tag, and if I'm running a business and can find someone to do the same job at a fraction of the price, why do I pay more than I need to?

Masai hasn't done anything to justify his cost in the last 5 years, he's no different than a player at this point, he had a banger few years, signed a big contract, and then declined massively. Should that necessitate another big contract? It wouldn't with a player, and it shouldn't with an exec.


Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job. You don't replace someone without knowing there's a better person for the job, in any line of work or capacity... The grass isn't always greener, and forums/social media is filled with pessimism and the expectation of instant gratification.

Saying he's been bad for 5 years is disengenuine or just an exaggeration. He was "bad" for about half that amount of time. There's no arguing he became complacent and had a hard time letting go of the players from the championship team, but in the last 18 months or so we've seen a rejuvenated and involved Masai completely reconstructing this team with a lot of solid trades and picks.

If Masai wasn't here, we'd have an even more difficult time attracting 'any' free agents, re-signing players, and we wouldn't even be mentioned as a possible destination to sign or trade for the likes of Giannis... Don't forget the most successful run in this team's history has happened under the fingerprints of Masai... Change for the sake of change isn't a justifiable reason when we're talking about a GM/exec of Masai's calibre and track record, unless there's a clearcut upgrade available, the problem is nobody can name that upgrade.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#103 » by PushDaRock » Thu May 15, 2025 6:42 pm

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Sorry but my standards aren't not being a bottom 3 franchise in the NBA. He dropped the ball with his stupid 6'9 vision and then delayed the inevitable rebuild causing this team tanking the past 2 years with only the 9th pick to show for it.

With that said, I 100% want Masai back. He's working towards building something great here again and this upcoming season will be evident of that imo.


I think this illustrates that many people only love the idea of draft picks and don't care about the draft picks themselves. Saying we "Only" have the 9th pick to show since the rebuild while we added 5 rookies this past season seems really odd. How many players picked ahead of Walter are you definitively taking over him anyways? That was a dumpster fire draft class for elite talent, even a top 5 pick wasn't anything to get excited about.


And yet we still tanked to keep our top 6 protected pick unsuccessfully. If Masai was able to get good 5 rookies with where we picked then imagine the impactful rookie he could have picked with a much higher selection?

Our current team is missing top end talent and that's what we were hoping this current draft was going to help with since we won't be drafting high anytime soon unless it's a disastrous situation.


Don't really have to imagine, you can see the picks ahead of Walter, who would have been that impactful? How many are even going to make an All-Star team much less All-NBA?

First Team All-NBA this year will be Tatum 3rd pick, SGA 11th pick, Mitchell 13th pick, Giannis 15th pick, Jokic 41st pick. But sure, there's no chance of us ever acquiring top end talent in the draft ever again.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#104 » by Tripod » Thu May 15, 2025 6:43 pm

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Masai worked fine under Tanenbaum, who was a meddling owner. And he of course worked under Kroenke, who gave himself a basketball exec position.

Saleh is from Edmonton, and worked with the Spurs and Warriors. Masai worked with Bobby without having known him. I thought the interesting part was Giannis' agent also being in the mix. Saratsis and Masai are close. It could be that there's a Masai-Saratsis-Saleh framework like how Masai-Weltman and Webster worked together initially.

I have no real idea how things are in the organization but I never got the impression that Tanenbaum wanted to get involved in basketball decisions in any way ever. The Atlanta owner's son is reported to have got directly involved in basketball decisions. Masai left Denver to move up in pay of course but also in decision making. Just because he worked well in a bad situation in the past doesn't mean he will willing go to one in the future. It is not that I think he stays just the Atlanta situation seems like an undesirable one. I'll trust you one the Saratsis/Masai connection. Maybe Masai doesn't mind that the GM is hired already and that the owner's son wants to have a say in roster decisions but that is a less than ideal situation. The Raptors' situation is not that desirable either. Just expect Masai to want a job with more control not a step back to a level he has advanced past.


Joe Dumars went from Detroit to... Sacramento. Danny Ainge went to Utah as an advisor and worked his way into a takeover. Like, just because you build a winner doesn't mean you get to call your shot. The Raptors are in shambles right now and the Knicks and Wizards have moved on.

Where is this BS that the Raps are in shambles?

We had to sign and dress gleagurs just to stay out of the playin and were .500 the last half of the year despite that, sitting starters, and not dressing our likely leading scorer next year.

Again, we have 2 players over the age of 26. You would swear we are running a rotation guys in their mid 30's.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#105 » by Tripod » Thu May 15, 2025 6:51 pm

And Masai absolutely has leverage if the Raps want to keep him. Other teams will gladly hire him if available. He can go focus 100% on GOA. He has been mentioned in political circles.

He has options out there, NBA and non-NBA.

We SHOULD want to keep him based on EVERYTHING he has done and how the culture and on court product grew as the season went on and that he already is adding to it with BI.

But we can go in circles. Lots want him kept. Some want him gone....TWO members.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#106 » by Scase » Thu May 15, 2025 6:57 pm

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Whenever I hear someone who's indifferent or think we should fire/let Masai walk, I always ask, who would you replace him with? And so far, everytime, it's crickets... So who would you replace him with that isn't currently employed by another team, or at least realistically obtainable, that you are confident would do a better job?

Well yeah, it's not my job to find that person. Just because I think someone is doing a poor job, it doesn't mean I'm the one who needs to have the answer. I trust the people who actually hire and know the industry to do it. If they think Masai is the best bet, then so be it.

What I think is worse is the constant arguments of "Well there is no one better". Yeah, we heard that with BC as well, until we found someone better. No one wanted Nurse gone, until they did. I'm not saying fire Masai for the sake of firing him, I'm saying he's been doing a poor job for years now, and it's not unreasonable to think that someone else might do a better job. Sometimes you just need a change.

We aren't the spurs with Pop, we don't have decades of excellence to point to as a reason to have faith, we had 5 years of a climb resulting in an awesome chip, and we've had 5 years of a decline, resulting in some of the worst records in our franchises history and without much to show for it. I think it's pretty reasonable.

Would you keep an employee on board who has been bad for half a decade? I don't think I would. You also have to take into account that this employee in question is the highest paid employee in the company, and you're getting bad or mediocre results. That's flat out not worth it, what we've seen the last 5 or so years does not match the price tag, and if I'm running a business and can find someone to do the same job at a fraction of the price, why do I pay more than I need to?

Masai hasn't done anything to justify his cost in the last 5 years, he's no different than a player at this point, he had a banger few years, signed a big contract, and then declined massively. Should that necessitate another big contract? It wouldn't with a player, and it shouldn't with an exec.


Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job. You don't replace someone without knowing there's a better person for the job, in any line of work or capacity... The grass isn't always greener, and forums/social media is filled with pessimism and the expectation of instant gratification.

Saying he's been bad for 5 years is disengenuine or just an exaggeration. He was "bad" for about half that amount of time. There's no arguing he became complacent and had a hard time letting go of the players from the championship team, but in the last 18 months or so we've seen a rejuvenated and involved Masai completely reconstructing this team with a lot of solid trades and picks.

If Masai wasn't here, we'd have an even more difficult time attracting 'any' free agents, re-signing players, and we wouldn't even be mentioned as a possible destination to sign or trade for the likes of Giannis... Don't forget the most successful run in this team's history has happened under the fingerprints of Masai... Change for the sake of change isn't a justifiable reason when we're talking about a GM of Masai's calibre and track record, unless there's a clearcut upgrade available, the problem is nobody can name that upgrade.

If a bus driver crashes his bus, am I not allowed to say that he shouldn't continue being a bus driver just because I can't name a replacement? Should I not be able to tell a fireman to not try and put out a fire with gasoline just because I'm not a fireman?

This is such a nonsensical argument. You also completely ignored the cost aspect of his replacement, if you think what we've had produced the last 5 years justifies him being the highest paid exec in the league, and that we couldn't produce this level of mediocrity for cheaper, then I don't know what to say. It's a business, and if you think Rogers is going to pay Masai the current contract, or an increase, for what has happened the last 5 years, over hiring someone for a fraction of that amount, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can call him rejuvinated or whatever you want, but this team has produced nothing viable since the chip. Scottie is the crown jewel of the last 5 years, and as much as I like the kid, he's not taking the team to the promise land. The team has been on a large decline the last 5 years, if you think he's the only exec in the world who could've gotten us where we are now....there's not really any point to this discussion. Hell, even if you take the argument of his last 18mo being better, I still wouldn't re-sign someone who **** the bed the 3-4 years prior just because now he's rejuvinated. I wouldn't extend someone who can just decide to not give a **** when they want to.

The free agent angle is lowkey hilarious though, Masai has had zero impact on anyone notable coming here, and I don't put that blame on him, that's the nature of the Raps, but lets not act like he's had some major shift or anything.

We heard the "Well there's nobody better" with BC, and magically we found someone, it happened to be Masai. That doesn't mean he's the answer until the heat death of the universe, sometimes you need a change of scenery, new blood, different ideas and so on.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#107 » by dagger » Thu May 15, 2025 7:03 pm

Given the likely need for major executive changes with the Leafs and Jays, I'm guessing that Rogers - both Ed and Pelley - won't want to handle big change with the Raptors. The fact is, a non-taxed NBA team with Toronto prices is a huge money-maker even when the product on the court stinks. The same is true of the Leafs but the media is a lot less critical of a bad basketball product that has won a title in recent memory than a flagship hockey team that hasn't won anything in over half a century.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#108 » by ATLTimekeeper » Thu May 15, 2025 7:12 pm

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Zeno wrote:I have no real idea how things are in the organization but I never got the impression that Tanenbaum wanted to get involved in basketball decisions in any way ever. The Atlanta owner's son is reported to have got directly involved in basketball decisions. Masai left Denver to move up in pay of course but also in decision making. Just because he worked well in a bad situation in the past doesn't mean he will willing go to one in the future. It is not that I think he stays just the Atlanta situation seems like an undesirable one. I'll trust you one the Saratsis/Masai connection. Maybe Masai doesn't mind that the GM is hired already and that the owner's son wants to have a say in roster decisions but that is a less than ideal situation. The Raptors' situation is not that desirable either. Just expect Masai to want a job with more control not a step back to a level he has advanced past.


Joe Dumars went from Detroit to... Sacramento. Danny Ainge went to Utah as an advisor and worked his way into a takeover. Like, just because you build a winner doesn't mean you get to call your shot. The Raptors are in shambles right now and the Knicks and Wizards have moved on.

Where is this BS that the Raps are in shambles?

We had to sign and dress gleagurs just to stay out of the playin and were .500 the last half of the year despite that, sitting starters, and not dressing our likely leading scorer next year.

Again, we have 2 players over the age of 26. You would swear we are running a rotation guys in their mid 30's.


We won 30 games last year. No one's looking around at Sean Marks and wondering if he could save their team.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#109 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Thu May 15, 2025 7:19 pm

Will Edward Rogers let Masai enter the season as a lame duck exec?
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#110 » by mtcan » Thu May 15, 2025 7:21 pm

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Joe Dumars went from Detroit to... Sacramento. Danny Ainge went to Utah as an advisor and worked his way into a takeover. Like, just because you build a winner doesn't mean you get to call your shot. The Raptors are in shambles right now and the Knicks and Wizards have moved on.

Where is this BS that the Raps are in shambles?

We had to sign and dress gleagurs just to stay out of the playin and were .500 the last half of the year despite that, sitting starters, and not dressing our likely leading scorer next year.

Again, we have 2 players over the age of 26. You would swear we are running a rotation guys in their mid 30's.


We won 30 games last year. No one's looking around at Sean Marks and wondering if he could save their team.

We won 30 games while sitting core guys even though they are healthy. We won 30 games because we actively prioritized playing 4 rookies and some times having 4 rookies + a 10 day contract on the floor at the same time.

No wonder we won 30 games.

This current roster is better than it's record. How much better is the question. I'm betting on Shead/Walter/Dick being a bit better next season and that helps the bench significantly. The addition of BI knocks the other core starters down a peg in the pecking order and perhaps the offense looks better. A season from IQ where he says more than 33 games would also help. So ya...in many ways the team is a top 6 or at least a play-in team next season and improves upon a 30 win season.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#111 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu May 15, 2025 7:22 pm

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Scase wrote:Well yeah, it's not my job to find that person. Just because I think someone is doing a poor job, it doesn't mean I'm the one who needs to have the answer. I trust the people who actually hire and know the industry to do it. If they think Masai is the best bet, then so be it.

What I think is worse is the constant arguments of "Well there is no one better". Yeah, we heard that with BC as well, until we found someone better. No one wanted Nurse gone, until they did. I'm not saying fire Masai for the sake of firing him, I'm saying he's been doing a poor job for years now, and it's not unreasonable to think that someone else might do a better job. Sometimes you just need a change.

We aren't the spurs with Pop, we don't have decades of excellence to point to as a reason to have faith, we had 5 years of a climb resulting in an awesome chip, and we've had 5 years of a decline, resulting in some of the worst records in our franchises history and without much to show for it. I think it's pretty reasonable.

Would you keep an employee on board who has been bad for half a decade? I don't think I would. You also have to take into account that this employee in question is the highest paid employee in the company, and you're getting bad or mediocre results. That's flat out not worth it, what we've seen the last 5 or so years does not match the price tag, and if I'm running a business and can find someone to do the same job at a fraction of the price, why do I pay more than I need to?

Masai hasn't done anything to justify his cost in the last 5 years, he's no different than a player at this point, he had a banger few years, signed a big contract, and then declined massively. Should that necessitate another big contract? It wouldn't with a player, and it shouldn't with an exec.


Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job. You don't replace someone without knowing there's a better person for the job, in any line of work or capacity... The grass isn't always greener, and forums/social media is filled with pessimism and the expectation of instant gratification.

Saying he's been bad for 5 years is disengenuine or just an exaggeration. He was "bad" for about half that amount of time. There's no arguing he became complacent and had a hard time letting go of the players from the championship team, but in the last 18 months or so we've seen a rejuvenated and involved Masai completely reconstructing this team with a lot of solid trades and picks.

If Masai wasn't here, we'd have an even more difficult time attracting 'any' free agents, re-signing players, and we wouldn't even be mentioned as a possible destination to sign or trade for the likes of Giannis... Don't forget the most successful run in this team's history has happened under the fingerprints of Masai... Change for the sake of change isn't a justifiable reason when we're talking about a GM of Masai's calibre and track record, unless there's a clearcut upgrade available, the problem is nobody can name that upgrade.

If a bus driver crashes his bus, am I not allowed to say that he shouldn't continue being a bus driver just because I can't name a replacement? Should I not be able to tell a fireman to not try and put out a fire with gasoline just because I'm not a fireman?

This is such a nonsensical argument. You also completely ignored the cost aspect of his replacement, if you think what we've had produced the last 5 years justifies him being the highest paid exec in the league, and that we couldn't produce this level of mediocrity for cheaper, then I don't know what to say. It's a business, and if you think Rogers is going to pay Masai the current contract, or an increase, for what has happened the last 5 years, over hiring someone for a fraction of that amount, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can call him rejuvinated or whatever you want, but this team has produced nothing viable since the chip. Scottie is the crown jewel of the last 5 years, and as much as I like the kid, he's not taking the team to the promise land. The team has been on a large decline the last 5 years, if you think he's the only exec in the world who could've gotten us where we are now....there's not really any point to this discussion. Hell, even if you take the argument of his last 18mo being better, I still wouldn't re-sign someone who **** the bed the 3-4 years prior just because now he's rejuvinated. I wouldn't extend someone who can just decide to not give a **** when they want to.

The free agent angle is lowkey hilarious though, Masai has had zero impact on anyone notable coming here, and I don't put that blame on him, that's the nature of the Raps, but lets not act like he's had some major shift or anything.

We heard the "Well there's nobody better" with BC, and magically we found someone, it happened to be Masai. That doesn't mean he's the answer until the heat death of the universe, sometimes you need a change of scenery, new blood, different ideas and so on.


Wow you want to talk about "nonsensical arguments", maybe you should have left out your first paragraph, what kind of comparisons are those... Could you have been any more dissimilar and dramatic?

Not sure why you keep referencing BC, I for one was ready to move on well before, and if I recall, so was the majority of the fanbase/forum. Comparing BC's tenure to Masai's is a massive reach.

There's a reason why I prefaced free agents with "any", did you miss it? ... Because the few free agents we have been able to sign, would likely be even less without Masai's added credibility to the organization and respect around the league.

Ya nobody said he's the answer for eternity, but there has to be a viable upgrade available, which you and everyone else who has complained that he should be fired can't even suggest... So let's just replace him with a Dumars or Landry Fields type, so we can listen to you guys complain with "why did they hire him" or "he's not an upgrade" or "this franchise is such a joke"...

We know the drill, complaining is so much easier than coming up with solutions.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#112 » by ConSarnit » Thu May 15, 2025 7:29 pm

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Dalek wrote:It would be tough to lose him because he is the architect of this mess and what type of GM is salivating to take this over.

He brought in Darko ball and has a practically capped out team with a signature player who can't shoot and a guy we traded for and signed to a big deal and haven't even seen him play a single game.

Our lead PG is probably a backup for most teams and we have little depth and no emerging young players on rookie deals.

The only saving grace is we have our own picks and we can fallback that on paper this looks interesting if everything breaks right.

At least Masai said he expects to be competitive and the door is open in the East. So let's see what happens, but he should stick this out rather than abandoning us like he did Denver.

I still remember him signing JaVale McGhee to a huge deal and reading for Iguodala before he left the Nuggets which was hardly table setting for their next GM.


No joke, not trying to be obtuse but I think you forgot the green font. Very inaccurate take. I wouldn’t even know where to start…

Just glad I don’t go through my day to day with a similarly exaggerated negative perception of everything.


I don't know man. How has your last five years been? Last time we made the playoffs we got bounced in the first round by Philly or you can talk about the funny play-in game where Demar's kid screamed us out of the playoffs. Then we moved of all of our core players and restarted with crown jewels like Scottie Barnes and Gradey Dick. You are right, there are exciting times ahead.

You cannot watch the NBA and think what Toronto is doing is normal. Ujiri lives to be the guy who zagged in almost every decision.


You’re changing your original argument. What does 4 years ago have to do with a new GM wanting or not wanting to take the job? We aren’t in cap hell, we have all of our own picks and we have some young upside guys. By all accounts we do not have meddlesome ownership either. We are not in a bad spot for a new GM.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#113 » by ConSarnit » Thu May 15, 2025 7:32 pm

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Zeno wrote:I just don’t see Masai wanting that job. It comes with a meddling owner’s son and a gm under him recently hired that he’d supposedly have to keep.


Masai worked fine under Tanenbaum, who was a meddling owner. And he of course worked under Kroenke, who gave himself a basketball exec position.

Saleh is from Edmonton, and worked with the Spurs and Warriors. Masai worked with Bobby without having known him. I thought the interesting part was Giannis' agent also being in the mix. Saratsis and Masai are close. It could be that there's a Masai-Saratsis-Saleh framework like how Masai-Weltman and Webster worked together initially.


Where are the reports that our ownership has been meddlesome? I have not seen a single report on our ownership meddling. I have seen many about Atlanta’s ownership.

The gap between the influence our ownership exerts and the Hawks ownership exerts is massive.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#114 » by Tor_Raps » Thu May 15, 2025 7:49 pm

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I think this illustrates that many people only love the idea of draft picks and don't care about the draft picks themselves. Saying we "Only" have the 9th pick to show since the rebuild while we added 5 rookies this past season seems really odd. How many players picked ahead of Walter are you definitively taking over him anyways? That was a dumpster fire draft class for elite talent, even a top 5 pick wasn't anything to get excited about.


And yet we still tanked to keep our top 6 protected pick unsuccessfully. If Masai was able to get good 5 rookies with where we picked then imagine the impactful rookie he could have picked with a much higher selection?

Our current team is missing top end talent and that's what we were hoping this current draft was going to help with since we won't be drafting high anytime soon unless it's a disastrous situation.


Don't really have to imagine, you can see the picks ahead of Walter, who would have been that impactful? How many are even going to make an All-Star team much less All-NBA?

First Team All-NBA this year will be Tatum 3rd pick, SGA 11th pick, Mitchell 13th pick, Giannis 15th pick, Jokic 41st pick. But sure, there's no chance of us ever acquiring top end talent in the draft ever again.


So you're really trying to argue that drafting higher isn't a big deal eh. Yes, you can find talent throughout the draft but the higher you pick, the better odds you have in finding more impactful talent longterm.

Also, I heard the same BS after Dick's rookie year. Let Masai cook with the ability to select a prospect high in the draft then maybe we'll have players on the team who could actually project to be allstar/superstar level talent...
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Post#115 » by PushDaRock » Thu May 15, 2025 8:05 pm

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And yet we still tanked to keep our top 6 protected pick unsuccessfully. If Masai was able to get good 5 rookies with where we picked then imagine the impactful rookie he could have picked with a much higher selection?

Our current team is missing top end talent and that's what we were hoping this current draft was going to help with since we won't be drafting high anytime soon unless it's a disastrous situation.


Don't really have to imagine, you can see the picks ahead of Walter, who would have been that impactful? How many are even going to make an All-Star team much less All-NBA?

First Team All-NBA this year will be Tatum 3rd pick, SGA 11th pick, Mitchell 13th pick, Giannis 15th pick, Jokic 41st pick. But sure, there's no chance of us ever acquiring top end talent in the draft ever again.


So you're really trying to argue that drafting higher isn't a big deal eh. Yes, you can find talent throughout the draft but the higher you pick, the better odds you have in finding more impactful talent longterm.

Also, I heard the same BS after Dick's rookie year. Let Masai cook with the ability to select a prospect high in the draft then maybe we'll have players on the team who could actually project to be allstar/superstar level talent...


No, I am saying not having a top pick in last year's draft is not the biggest deal when you can see who got drafted with those actual picks. It will likely go down as a historically weak draft class as far as elite talent goes. Getting 5 rookies from that draft class with many of them looking like future contributors is a big win and certainly does not count as "nothing to show for" like you seem to think.
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Post#116 » by Tor_Raps » Thu May 15, 2025 8:17 pm

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Don't really have to imagine, you can see the picks ahead of Walter, who would have been that impactful? How many are even going to make an All-Star team much less All-NBA?

First Team All-NBA this year will be Tatum 3rd pick, SGA 11th pick, Mitchell 13th pick, Giannis 15th pick, Jokic 41st pick. But sure, there's no chance of us ever acquiring top end talent in the draft ever again.


So you're really trying to argue that drafting higher isn't a big deal eh. Yes, you can find talent throughout the draft but the higher you pick, the better odds you have in finding more impactful talent longterm.

Also, I heard the same BS after Dick's rookie year. Let Masai cook with the ability to select a prospect high in the draft then maybe we'll have players on the team who could actually project to be allstar/superstar level talent...


No, I am saying not having a top pick in last year's draft is not the biggest deal when you can see who got drafted with those actual picks. It will likely go down as a historically weak draft class as far as elite talent goes. Getting 5 rookies from that draft class with many of them looking like future contributors is a big win and certainly does not count as "nothing to show for" like you seem to think.


"Nothing to show" was meant for the tanking we did. Of course we picked up some nice rookies but those players could have been picked up in addition to more impactful players, which is what this team needs currently.

We didn't get them via the draft but now Masai will need to go through the trade market. He already made a great addition with Ingram and he could also make another addition this offseason if things fall our way.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#117 » by PushDaRock » Thu May 15, 2025 8:23 pm

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So you're really trying to argue that drafting higher isn't a big deal eh. Yes, you can find talent throughout the draft but the higher you pick, the better odds you have in finding more impactful talent longterm.

Also, I heard the same BS after Dick's rookie year. Let Masai cook with the ability to select a prospect high in the draft then maybe we'll have players on the team who could actually project to be allstar/superstar level talent...


No, I am saying not having a top pick in last year's draft is not the biggest deal when you can see who got drafted with those actual picks. It will likely go down as a historically weak draft class as far as elite talent goes. Getting 5 rookies from that draft class with many of them looking like future contributors is a big win and certainly does not count as "nothing to show for" like you seem to think.


"Nothing to show" was meant for the tanking we did. Of course we picked up some nice rookies but those players could have been picked up in addition to more impactful players, which is what this team needs currently.

We didn't get them via the draft but now Masai will need to go through the trade market. He already made a great addition with Ingram and he could also make another addition this offseason if things fall our way.


And my point is that this was a historically weak draft class. If we have Tidjane Salaun on our roster now, are we really getting that excited about the future because of him? What "impactful" rookie could we have had that makes you think we have an high end talent on the roster?
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Post#118 » by Tripod » Thu May 15, 2025 8:34 pm

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Joe Dumars went from Detroit to... Sacramento. Danny Ainge went to Utah as an advisor and worked his way into a takeover. Like, just because you build a winner doesn't mean you get to call your shot. The Raptors are in shambles right now and the Knicks and Wizards have moved on.

Where is this BS that the Raps are in shambles?

We had to sign and dress gleagurs just to stay out of the playin and were .500 the last half of the year despite that, sitting starters, and not dressing our likely leading scorer next year.

Again, we have 2 players over the age of 26. You would swear we are running a rotation guys in their mid 30's.


We won 30 games last year. No one's looking around at Sean Marks and wondering if he could save their team.

Now you are just trolling. We did our best to loose as many as possible and ended with 30.

Only an idiot would believe we are actually a 30 win team based on the roster skill.
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Post#119 » by Merit » Thu May 15, 2025 8:39 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Every year someone tryna poach Masai


Yet somehow, Ed rogers doesn’t understand why.
I believe in Masai.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#120 » by MiamiSPX » Thu May 15, 2025 8:42 pm

dagger wrote:Given the likely need for major executive changes with the Leafs and Jays, I'm guessing that Rogers - both Ed and Pelley - won't want to handle big change with the Raptors. The fact is, a non-taxed NBA team with Toronto prices is a huge money-maker even when the product on the court stinks. The same is true of the Leafs but the media is a lot less critical of a bad basketball product that has won a title in recent memory than a flagship hockey team that hasn't won anything in over half a century.


This is where I am at now. I was firmly in the camp that Rogers wouldn't re-sign him, but now with the mess that is the Jays and Leafs, they may well just leave the Raps alone. The ever-increasing valuation and fat, new TV contract should keep them happy enough.

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