Shams: Raptors re-sign Garrett Temple (1yr/3.6mil)

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I thought Lawson had a chance at a spot but this signing might mean he is gone unless he takes Rhoden's 2 way or a consolidation trade happens.

Castleton is also likely gone but I see his roster spot as a place holder for someone else, possibly Omoruyi.

JP/Chomche(2W)
SB/CMB/Mogbo
BI/Ochai/GD
RJ/Walter/Battle/Temple/Martin
IQ/Shead/Hepburn(2W)

So there is one roster spot and one 2 way spot left between:

Omoruyi
Lawson
Castleton
Rhoden
Degenhart

or any free agent signing or other camp invites

If they can somehow switch out Barrett with Alexander-Walker, the starting lineup would have better balance

[HangTime]

I think the NBA should introduce 2-3 official "player-coach" spots on the roster.

These are the guys looking to transition into coaching positions or looking to "wind down" their playing careers. They can provide a heavy participation in practices.

This works similar to two-way contracts, as in the player can be active for certain amount of games (let's say 30 games).
These salaries don't count against the cap, and the salary is a certain percentage higher than a standard vet minimum.

If the player exhausts their 30 games, and the player and the team mutually agree to more playing time, they can have their contract converted to a standard deal (what ever they agree on) the overage gets gets tacked on to the cap.

This group would include guys like:
Garrett Temple's, Udonis Haslem, PJ Tucker, James Johnson etc.

[ontnut]

I played college ball man... We didn't have a 40 year old teammate in the corner talkin bout "Hey young fella". I haven't been in the raps locker room. These guys couldn't remember that he was on the team last year if they made him a coach? He's just a stiff in a suit now?

If you played college ball, then I'm sure you had a Sr on your team, he would be our Sr, Srs don't really play in the NBA unless you're a HOF

Like I said further up this thread. I would just hope Jak and Ingram could be those guys on this team. Quick, RJ and Scottie have all been around the block too. If they need temple they need him. I would rather keep Lawson around ideally.

Put it this way, if the Raps think they need Temple more than they need Lawson or Castleton, maybe that says more about the players than the Raptors FO.

That being said, I do think there's another move to come, some sort of consolidation trade or a swap of players to address both teams positional needs.

[ontnut]

Is this guy gonna be our GM one day or something? Why does he need a roster spot, just join the staff

Having a work peer to talk to on a daily basis, someone you can call after work hours, is different than having to talk to a district manager or C suite exec. It just is.

If guys have complaints they want to voice, Temple can be an ear for them as a player. He sits with them on the plane rather than with the coaches. They go out to dinner together. They sit beside each other in the lockerroom and he gets to be a part of the actual lockerroom culture, versus coaches who often come in and out. They don't have to fear retribution from the entire coaching staff if they want to vent about their PT or role or whatever. It's just different talking to your peer.

Guys like Poeltl or Ingram have been in the league a long time, but being a vet doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically adept at being a leader for the young kids. Temple obviously has strong leadership qualities as he's been voted as a leader for the entire NBAPA for a long time. I can see there being value in that on a team vs. a 3rd stringer who probably doesn't get PT anyway.

[elmer_yuck]

I don’t buy any of these excuses.
We don’t need Garrett Temple.

[Tripod]

So was that our last roster spot on the main squad? Lawson n Castleton will not make the team

To me they were only signed when they were so we would have 4 million to use in a trade this offseason.

[DreamTeam09]

So was that our last roster spot on the main squad? Lawson n Castleton will not make the team

To me they were only signed when they were so we would have 4 million to use in a trade this offseason.

That also makes sense. Ahhh, a team could shed salary immediately, we also could add them to other players as fillers. Ahhh I didn't think of that

[Tripod]

So was that our last roster spot on the main squad? Lawson n Castleton will not make the team

To me they were only signed when they were so we would have 4 million to use in a trade this offseason.

That also makes sense. Ahhh, a team could shed salary immediately, we also could add them to other players as fillers. Ahhh I didn't think of that

Yup.

I remember when they were signed a bunch of us questioned why and that was a reason given and it totally made sense, especially because neither are guaranteed so if no deal is out there, we could just cut them ourselves.

But having them on the books gave them more options.

[ConSarnit]

Is this guy gonna be our GM one day or something? Why does he need a roster spot, just join the staff

Having a work peer to talk to on a daily basis, someone you can call after work hours, is different than having to talk to a district manager or C suite exec. It just is.

If guys have complaints they want to voice, Temple can be an ear for them as a player. He sits with them on the plane rather than with the coaches. They go out to dinner together. They sit beside each other in the lockerroom and he gets to be a part of the actual lockerroom culture, versus coaches who often come in and out. They don't have to fear retribution from the entire coaching staff if they want to vent about their PT or role or whatever. It's just different talking to your peer.

Guys like Poeltl or Ingram have been in the league a long time, but being a vet doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically adept at being a leader for the young kids. Temple obviously has strong leadership qualities as he's been voted as a leader for the entire NBAPA for a long time. I can see there being value in that on a team vs. a 3rd stringer who probably doesn't get PT anyway.

I get the value of leadership and all but…

This signing pretty much puts us right at the tax and we don’t have a backup C. Aren’t we trying to win this year? If we are capped out and trying to make the playoffs maybe we’re past the point of paying $3m for a mentor.

Don’t try and sell us on the idea that we’re trying to win and then compromise the team by wasting a roster spot (and cap space) on a unplayable mentor. If we had a more balanced roster then sure, keep Temple on. But we have a pretty big hole at backup C right now and our team goes in the toilet any time Poeltl is out.

[PushDaRock]

Is this guy gonna be our GM one day or something? Why does he need a roster spot, just join the staff

Having a work peer to talk to on a daily basis, someone you can call after work hours, is different than having to talk to a district manager or C suite exec. It just is.

If guys have complaints they want to voice, Temple can be an ear for them as a player. He sits with them on the plane rather than with the coaches. They go out to dinner together. They sit beside each other in the lockerroom and he gets to be a part of the actual lockerroom culture, versus coaches who often come in and out. They don't have to fear retribution from the entire coaching staff if they want to vent about their PT or role or whatever. It's just different talking to your peer.

Guys like Poeltl or Ingram have been in the league a long time, but being a vet doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically adept at being a leader for the young kids. Temple obviously has strong leadership qualities as he's been voted as a leader for the entire NBAPA for a long time. I can see there being value in that on a team vs. a 3rd stringer who probably doesn't get PT anyway.

I get the value of leadership and all but…

This signing pretty much puts us right at the tax and we don’t have a backup C. Aren’t we trying to win this year? If we are capped out and trying to make the playoffs maybe we’re past the point of paying $3m for a mentor.

Don’t try and sell us on the idea that we’re trying to win and then compromise the team by wasting a roster spot (and cap space) on a unplayable mentor. If we had a more balanced roster then sure, keep Temple on. But we have a pretty big hole at backup C right now and our team goes in the toilet any time Poeltl is out.

Temple gets paid 3.6m but it only counts closer to 2.1m against the cap.

[deeps6x]

Good signing. He's a great dude for the youngsters to be around.

No No NO!

So you hire him as a coach, not as a useless player. WTF? It made no sense last season. Even less this season.

[ConSarnit]

Having a work peer to talk to on a daily basis, someone you can call after work hours, is different than having to talk to a district manager or C suite exec. It just is.

If guys have complaints they want to voice, Temple can be an ear for them as a player. He sits with them on the plane rather than with the coaches. They go out to dinner together. They sit beside each other in the lockerroom and he gets to be a part of the actual lockerroom culture, versus coaches who often come in and out. They don't have to fear retribution from the entire coaching staff if they want to vent about their PT or role or whatever. It's just different talking to your peer.

Guys like Poeltl or Ingram have been in the league a long time, but being a vet doesn't necessarily mean you're automatically adept at being a leader for the young kids. Temple obviously has strong leadership qualities as he's been voted as a leader for the entire NBAPA for a long time. I can see there being value in that on a team vs. a 3rd stringer who probably doesn't get PT anyway.

I get the value of leadership and all but…

This signing pretty much puts us right at the tax and we don’t have a backup C. Aren’t we trying to win this year? If we are capped out and trying to make the playoffs maybe we’re past the point of paying $3m for a mentor.

Don’t try and sell us on the idea that we’re trying to win and then compromise the team by wasting a roster spot (and cap space) on a unplayable mentor. If we had a more balanced roster then sure, keep Temple on. But we have a pretty big hole at backup C right now and our team goes in the toilet any time Poeltl is out.

Temple gets paid 3.6m but it only counts closer to 2.1m against the cap.

Even so, that still leaves us (by my calculation) $1.3m under the tax after we sign CMB and Martin. That’s not even enough to sign a min player with 1 year experience. I don’t see how that gets us any type of playable backup C. I guess maybe we go into the tax to start the season and try to get out later but we don’t even really have any straight dumpable contracts (outside of Temple).

[Psubs]

expected and i have no issues with it.

also , he counts $2.3 mil to the cap, and the raptors pay him $2.3 mil, NBA pays him the rest $1.3mil

Does that is $2.3 million closer to the luxury tax, no?

What about using part or all of the MLE on Luke Kornet?

[douggood]

expected and i have no issues with it.

also , he counts $2.3 mil to the cap, and the raptors pay him $2.3 mil, NBA pays him the rest $1.3mil

Does that is $2.3 million closer to the luxury tax, no?

What about using part or all of the MLE on Luke Kornet?

people need to start learning the cap


our 13 players make about 185.5, tax is 188, 1st apron is 196
but here is the rub, the 13 players make 185.5 BUT count 191 towards the apron.

[junot111]

last year sure it made sense but next season again?
so status quo it is

This is where I'm at. I understand the value of a vet presence in a rebuilding year with young players but if the expectation is to make a playoff run this year, do we really need to run it back with him?

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

lol. Good thing they locked up this impotent peice old business before someone else swooped in. I guess that back up c in free agency will be whoever impresses from the summer league roster?

[OakleyDokely]

Some people overrate the role of the 15th guy on the roster. If any team needs to play the 15th guy on their roster consistently, the season isn't going very well for them.

You also don't want a young guy in that role because he won't play. He should be in the gleague playing actual minutes

Using the last spot as a leadership or mentorship role, especially with a lot of young guys on the roster, is important. The Raps have 8 guys currently on rookie contracts, and Barnes just exited his.

[GLF]

Some people overrate the role of the 15th guy on the roster. If any team needs to play the 15th guy on their roster consistently, the season isn't going very well for them.

You also don't want a young guy in that role because he won't play. He should be in the gleague playing actual minutes

Using the last spot as a leadership or mentorship role, especially with a lot of young guys on the roster, is important. The Raps have 8 guys currently on rookie contracts, and Barnes just exited his.

Exactly lol. People are acting like the 15 man is even going to play. And a young player who isn’t playing is more likely to be a locker room cancer than a guy like Temple. And as you said you would prefer a young player get playing time than sitting on the bench, so they would probably be in the G League anyway. Also the reality is the coaching staff, players and front office love him and felt it was necessary to keep him. They would know way more than us how important his leadership and intangibles are to this team because they are actually in the locker room. Many teams have and have had a Garrett Temple on them. This isn’t something that’s unique to the Raptors

[MiamiSPX]

Good signing. He's a great dude for the youngsters to be around.

No No NO!

So you hire him as a coach, not as a useless player. WTF? It made no sense last season. Even less this season.

He won't even get a third of that as a first-time assistant. This is doing him, and by extension the PA, a solid. He also knows his place and doesn't expect to play. This is a FAR cry from when we had 5 useless bodies at the end of the bench 2 seasons ago (Flynn, McD, OPJ, Thad, and Temple). Some of our players may prove to be just as useless, but we don't know that yet (unlike Flynn who had proven that beyond any reasonable doubt across 4 years lol).

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

What was the rush though? Like really. Why not wait just to see if there’s a chance at someone you don’t have to rationalize by saying - he’s an asst coach the kids like.