Update: It is time to trade Scottie Barnes before it's too late!

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He doesn't have the greatest work ethic. Right? Why expect something different.

No that's not right at all. only ppl who mention is work ethic being poor are the same ppl who believe growth n progress is linear

It you take the growth he's shown over the last two years and extrapolate that till he's 27...you get the same player he is now.

[PushDaRock]

The problem is, he's plateaued. This seems to be it in terms of growth.

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The problem is, he's plateaued. This seems to be it in terms of growth.

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

He's not working on his game in the offseason, it's painfully obvious at this point.

[PushDaRock]

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

He's not working on his game in the offseason, it's painfully obvious at this point.

If he just doesn't work on his game in the off season, that doesn't explain why he was better than expected in year 1 and 3 while worse than expected in year 2 and 4.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

He's not working on his game in the offseason, it's painfully obvious at this point.

If he just doesn't work on his game in the off season, that doesn't explain why he was better than expected in year 1 and 3 while worse than expected in year 2 and 4.

He got more touches, it's that simple.

[Tha Cynic]

Sigh, Reddit is so strange to read posts in chronological order in a thread and looks like posts just laid out there like written vomit, but this site’s stupid posts ratios is higher.

[DreamTeam09]

The problem is, he's plateaued. This seems to be it in terms of growth.

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

If you're ok with OG without a three @40M, the future is bright. I guess.

[DreamTeam09]

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

If you're ok with OG without a three @40M, the future is bright. I guess.

he scores just as well as og even without the 3 and dribbles the ball better

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

If you're ok with OG without a three @40M, the future is bright. I guess.

he scores just as well as og even without the 3 and dribbles the ball better

They both have to stand in the corner.

[Pointgod]

We should be open to the idea of it to fill other holes

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

[dballislife]

why only have one potential draymond like player switching 1 through 5 when you can have two??

i mean how many teams right now can say they have 2 players on their roster that can switch 1 through 5

[PushDaRock]

Because most players reach their final forms at 24 right ?

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

Can you come up with another player with a similar career development arc as him so far?

[PushDaRock]

He's not working on his game in the offseason, it's painfully obvious at this point.

If he just doesn't work on his game in the off season, that doesn't explain why he was better than expected in year 1 and 3 while worse than expected in year 2 and 4.

He got more touches, it's that simple.

He had his highest USG rate last season, so that doesn't make sense?

[PushDaRock]

We should be open to the idea of it to fill other holes

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

[S.W.A.N]

Only for a true star

This is valid.

In the right context anyone can be traded.

Outside of getting a Superstar back, talking about trading Scottie is just redonkulous.

We finally have the primary scorer to pair with Scottie and now people want make changed. So f'ing dumb. How about we actually let our players play before we turn on them.

[S.W.A.N]

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

I would say Scottie's defense is worth near max alone. If he provides same level of D as last year with modestly better offensive efficiency then he's absolutely a max player.

[DreamTeam09]

He's had a very odd development arc so it's hard to say. He was very raw coming into the league but then looked far more advanced as a rookie than anyone could have imagined. Then, he stagnates/regresses in year 2. Year 3 he takes a step and at one point looked like he was on the verge of stardom before coming back down to Earth. Year 4 he regresses once again . It's anyone's guess what year 5 holds.

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

Can you come up with another player with a similar career development arc as him so far?

what does that have to do with anything? not everyone is put into the same positions. How many top 5 picks get drafted to playoff teams & then have their team rebuilt prior to their rookie extension commencing

[HangTime]

how do you fix the wholes that a departing Scottie leaves behind? We're supposed to fix the holes the team has with him & the holes that emerges when he's gone all by trading Scottie...?

I don’t advocate trading Scottie, but It’s easier to get a player that gives you 80% of what Barnes does and other players to plug in holes than land a superstar #1 option to play with Barnes while keeping a team around them.

Paying a Max player that isn't really a Max player is pretty difficult to overcome for any team trying to win.

I see it other way, He's a super max player, only getting paid the max.
The reason he didn't get there last year is how difficult the were making it on him.

At the same time, he's delayed in his development because of his first 2 years, and the more dynamic the player is, the longer it takes to develop, which he's been rotating through.

Also do people really not want to see a what a Scottie/CMB pairing looks like on defence.

Scottie/CMB/Ingram trio overall?

[PushDaRock]

or you can look at is,
year 1 - you go and do things that got you here
year 2 - you try and add new things (do you expect perfection while implementing new things?
Year 3 - you added those things to your base
year 4 - you try to do even more things in a different role

to say he's been the same player for 4yrs or hasn't come back with wrinkles is just being disingenuous

Can you come up with another player with a similar career development arc as him so far?

what does that have to do with anything? not everyone is put into the same positions. How many top 5 picks get drafted to playoff teams & then have their team rebuilt prior to their rookie extension commencing

Hence the original comment that he has had a very odd development arc.