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HKBOY wrote:We should have just drafted Missi instead of Jakobe imo.
kalel123 wrote:HKBOY wrote:We should have just drafted Missi instead of Jakobe imo.
Would agree, he's no world beater from the looks of it but at least, he would be able to play with our many other guard prospects instead of being another guy to eat into each other's developmental minutes behind Barrett and Ingram.
YogurtProducer wrote:such as..? Who realistically was available in the 7-10M range that is obtainable?ConSarnit wrote:That’s because we are capped out. There are viable backup C’s in the $7-10m range we just don’t have the money.Have you seen the backups around the NBA actually? Like who is actually worth it? Here is a comprehensive list of guys listed as a "C" on basketball reference, who have came off the bench for 50% or more of their games. Which guys were both:Given what we know about Poeltl (can only play 28mpg) finding a backup C should have been a higher priority. Poeltl is our lowest minutes starter and probably the key piece to our defense. That’s the type of guy you need to carve out cap space for a backup. Instead we have 4 shooting guards.
A) obtainable
B) worth itSpoiler:
You are vastly overrating the quality of backups around the NBA.
nikster wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:such as..? Who realistically was available in the 7-10M range that is obtainable?ConSarnit wrote:That’s because we are capped out. There are viable backup C’s in the $7-10m range we just don’t have the money.Have you seen the backups around the NBA actually? Like who is actually worth it? Here is a comprehensive list of guys listed as a "C" on basketball reference, who have came off the bench for 50% or more of their games. Which guys were both:Given what we know about Poeltl (can only play 28mpg) finding a backup C should have been a higher priority. Poeltl is our lowest minutes starter and probably the key piece to our defense. That’s the type of guy you need to carve out cap space for a backup. Instead we have 4 shooting guards.
A) obtainable
B) worth itSpoiler:
You are vastly overrating the quality of backups around the NBA.
Don't ask them to give realistic examples, its much easier to find make believe solutions.
That is just what I got from basketball reference. If guys haven't played enough minutes, they likely did not appear on the qualifying lists. I didn't bother to double check who was and was not in.ConSarnit wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:such as..? Who realistically was available in the 7-10M range that is obtainable?ConSarnit wrote:That’s because we are capped out. There are viable backup C’s in the $7-10m range we just don’t have the money.Have you seen the backups around the NBA actually? Like who is actually worth it? Here is a comprehensive list of guys listed as a "C" on basketball reference, who have came off the bench for 50% or more of their games. Which guys were both:Given what we know about Poeltl (can only play 28mpg) finding a backup C should have been a higher priority. Poeltl is our lowest minutes starter and probably the key piece to our defense. That’s the type of guy you need to carve out cap space for a backup. Instead we have 4 shooting guards.
A) obtainable
B) worth itSpoiler:
You are vastly overrating the quality of backups around the NBA.
Powell? Biyombo? Carlson? You know those guys are not the main backup C's for their teams. Dallas has 3 guys ahead of Powell (11mpg) who all play C (Davis, Lively, Gafford). Biyombo (8mpg) would clearly be behind Kornet (25mpg) if Kornet were healthy. Carlson (6mpg!) has played 42 total minutes on the season. This doesn't even touch on teams who have PF's who can slide to C (Mobley, Chet, Towns etc) or C's like Jokic and Sabonis who can absorb more minutes than Poeltl, therefor making the need for a legit backup C less important.
Many of the players you've listed are clearly 3rd string C's which is entirely not the point of my argument.
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C's who signed between $7-10m over the last 2 years.
Kornet
Lopez
Capela
Bitadze
JVSeems like we did okay on our backup C. Not to mention we also have the Scotties + CMB's to slide down and go small.If you're not going to have a young (and cheap) C in your pipeline you better have at least $7m in space if you actually want to get a legit 20mpg backup C. That's the market.
kalel123 wrote:HKBOY wrote:We should have just drafted Missi instead of Jakobe imo.
Would agree, he's no world beater from the looks of it but at least, he would be able to play with our many other guard prospects instead of being another guy to eat into each other's developmental minutes behind Barrett and Ingram.
ConSarnit wrote:nikster wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:such as..? Who realistically was available in the 7-10M range that is obtainable?
Have you seen the backups around the NBA actually? Like who is actually worth it? Here is a comprehensive list of guys listed as a "C" on basketball reference, who have came off the bench for 50% or more of their games. Which guys were both:
A) obtainable
B) worth itSpoiler:
You are vastly overrating the quality of backups around the NBA.
Don't ask them to give realistic examples, its much easier to find make believe solutions.
C's who signed between $7-10m over the last 2 years.
Kornet
Lopez
Capela
Bitadze
JV
Are we guaranteed a shot at getting these guys? No. Are we 100% guaranteed to not get these guys because have zero cap space? Yes.
There is a clear line of demarcation when it comes to backup C quality in the free agency market. If you don't believe me go and look at the Centers who have signed for below $5 over the past 4-5 seasons. In order to have a chance to sign one of those C's you actually need cap space. If you're not going to draft a C you need to carve out cap space because the vast majority of the time the min is not going to cut it. And this becomes especially important when your own C (Poeltl) can't play extended minutes.
If you're not going to have a young (and cheap) C in your pipeline you better have at least $7m in space if you actually want to get a legit 20mpg backup C. That's the market.
PushDaRock wrote:kalel123 wrote:HKBOY wrote:We should have just drafted Missi instead of Jakobe imo.
Would agree, he's no world beater from the looks of it but at least, he would be able to play with our many other guard prospects instead of being another guy to eat into each other's developmental minutes behind Barrett and Ingram.
Would Missi be playing at all with Jak and Mamu in front of him? Not really seeing how that situation ends up much different.
YogurtProducer wrote:PushDaRock wrote:kalel123 wrote:
Would agree, he's no world beater from the looks of it but at least, he would be able to play with our many other guard prospects instead of being another guy to eat into each other's developmental minutes behind Barrett and Ingram.
Would Missi be playing at all with Jak and Mamu in front of him? Not really seeing how that situation ends up much different.
Would’ve been nice when Yak was out for sure.
PushDaRock wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
Would Missi be playing at all with Jak and Mamu in front of him? Not really seeing how that situation ends up much different.
Would’ve been nice when Yak was out for sure.
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
YogurtProducer wrote:PushDaRock wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Would’ve been nice when Yak was out for sure.
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
Very true - but we have RJ/Ingram/Dick/Walter/Ochai/Battle there and Yak/small Mamu there.
I get wanting another bigger body. I’m not against a trade that makes sense that sends a wing for a big. No reason to lose value tho
PushDaRock wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
Very true - but we have RJ/Ingram/Dick/Walter/Ochai/Battle there and Yak/small Mamu there.
I get wanting another bigger body. I’m not against a trade that makes sense that sends a wing for a big. No reason to lose value tho
Scottie, CMB and Mogbo are options at the 5 as well. I think Darko would also prefer to go smaller as well if they can manage to get away with it.
If a trade makes sense to balance out the roster a bit, I mean sure. But, we are talking about trading for a big body that probably won't even play most nights outside of injuries. What do you really want to give up for that?
I think it's more likely we add that 3rd string C at the deadline or on the buy out market unless Jak suffers a long term injury.
PushDaRock wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
Would Missi be playing at all with Jak and Mamu in front of him? Not really seeing how that situation ends up much different.
Would’ve been nice when Yak was out for sure.
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
kalel123 wrote:PushDaRock wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Would’ve been nice when Yak was out for sure.
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
Dick/Battle/Ochai are more than enough to cover.
Missi would've played good minutes last year behind Poeltl or when he was out instead of us being forced to recycle from G league garbage bin. The real question would be: would Mamu even be here if we had Missi. I would tend to think yes given the price tag and it'd be nice to have that depth as right now, we are toast without Poeltl.
While Mamu's been playing out of his mind, there's a reason he was avaialble for that price and at the end of the day, he still cannot provide what someone like Missi can. With Poeltl on the wrong side of 30 and bound to miss games (as he's already shown this year), we could use that size more than whatever Walter can provide especially when league is trending towards more size. And again, he and Dick/Battle/Ochai can play together instead of over each other.
PushDaRock wrote:kalel123 wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
Dick/Battle/Ochai are more than enough to cover.
Missi would've played good minutes last year behind Poeltl or when he was out instead of us being forced to recycle from G league garbage bin. The real question would be: would Mamu even be here if we had Missi. I would tend to think yes given the price tag and it'd be nice to have that depth as right now, we are toast without Poeltl.
While Mamu's been playing out of his mind, there's a reason he was avaialble for that price and at the end of the day, he still cannot provide what someone like Missi can. With Poeltl on the wrong side of 30 and bound to miss games (as he's already shown this year), we could use that size more than whatever Walter can provide especially when league is trending towards more size. And again, he and Dick/Battle/Ochai can play together instead of over each other.
Doubtful we get Mamu here if there wasn't an opening at Backup C for him.
I'd much rather Mamu be playing these backup 5 mins over Missi.
WiggOuts wrote:I dont know if its possible contractually but if MEM rebuilds and we can somehow squeeze JJJ outta them he would take this team to another level. A Defensive juggernaut that can shoot the 3. Jak+Gradey+Jakobe+picks (theyd probably want CMB)
YogurtProducer wrote:PushDaRock wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:Very true - but we have RJ/Ingram/Dick/Walter/Ochai/Battle there and Yak/small Mamu there.
I get wanting another bigger body. I’m not against a trade that makes sense that sends a wing for a big. No reason to lose value tho
Scottie, CMB and Mogbo are options at the 5 as well. I think Darko would also prefer to go smaller as well if they can manage to get away with it.
If a trade makes sense to balance out the roster a bit, I mean sure. But, we are talking about trading for a big body that probably won't even play most nights outside of injuries. What do you really want to give up for that?
I think it's more likely we add that 3rd string C at the deadline or on the buy out market unless Jak suffers a long term injury.
Yeah I’d only do like a straight 1 for 1, maybe a protected 2nd.
Orlando has WCJ/Wagner/Goga and I wonder if we could snag 1 of them
PushDaRock wrote:kalel123 wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
We will be happy with having our wing depth too when Ingram and RJ miss games.
Dick/Battle/Ochai are more than enough to cover.
Missi would've played good minutes last year behind Poeltl or when he was out instead of us being forced to recycle from G league garbage bin. The real question would be: would Mamu even be here if we had Missi. I would tend to think yes given the price tag and it'd be nice to have that depth as right now, we are toast without Poeltl.
While Mamu's been playing out of his mind, there's a reason he was avaialble for that price and at the end of the day, he still cannot provide what someone like Missi can. With Poeltl on the wrong side of 30 and bound to miss games (as he's already shown this year), we could use that size more than whatever Walter can provide especially when league is trending towards more size. And again, he and Dick/Battle/Ochai can play together instead of over each other.
Doubtful we get Mamu here if there wasn't an opening at Backup C for him.
I'd much rather Mamu be playing these backup 5 mins over Missi.