The real reasons we lost last night

[deknow]

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In order to be the next Steve Nash your game has to resemble Steve Nash

[dagger]

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I'm not a big stats guy, but there it is. 18 ppg from the wings is pathetic. I'll bet we had better wing play as an expansion team.

God, that's shocking. I only goes to show you how much AP has declined.

[Cyrus]

Not sure, but how is the wing production of last year vs. this year any different:

Last year Wing play (Garbo/Parker), I think Garbo got alot of his starts last year at SF sometimes mo pete:

20.9 PPG,
4.0 AST

This year:

18.3 PPG,
2.6 AST

Not a huge difference this year from last, and decline is mainly to due to Parker, our wings have never been good since we had VC.

And judging from everyone posts, It seems Dagger is/must be advocating that we should have taken Rudy Gay! Or Brandon Roy.

[Grizzled]

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I don't know how you see Nash's game resembles Jose's if you watch Nash (which I'm starting to doubt) he is about breaking the defense down with the dribble and using his uncanny court vision to find open shooters while nailing down shots from anywhere. Outside of the jumper Jose has nothing close to Nash's game.

TJ's court vision and dribble penetration is Nashesque. The jumper is nowhere near Nash's. Its obvious to me but I don't want to spend time trying to show you

Jose is the one making 8-10 assists per game with better than a 6 to 1 A/TO ratio. That shows his court vision, which is much better than Ford

[deknow]

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Jose is the one making 8-10 assists per game with better than a 6 to 1 A/TO ratio. That shows his court vision

how the hell does stats show court vision? Have you seen Nash's assist to turnover ratio?

which is much better than Ford

[rdtx2005]

Jose is the one making 8-10 assists per game with better than a 6 to 1 A/TO ratio. That shows his court vision, which is much better than Ford

[deknow]

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huh?.. what is the logic here? Calderon has the 'ability' to be like Nash but he chooses not to use it?. Are you saying that Calderon needs to 'level up' (video game terminology) in order to be like Nash? He better slay more monsters then

I have it under control don't worry about it.

[Death Knight]

Ford, otoh, beats people just with his physical ability. He

[deknow]

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That is an excellent point. Nash uses his brain and basketball IQ to get to where he wants. It has nothing to do with his physical ability, which is why he has gotten better with age.

Ford uses his quickness and speed to get to where he wants most of the time instead of using his brain. As a result, TJ is closer to Iverson than he is to Nash.

Aside from shooting, Jose is nothing like Nash. Jose lacks the aggressiveness or willingness to get to where he wants in order to put pressure on the opposing team playing defense. He can get there, but he hasn't shown any interest to get there. For example, when Jose has an open path to get to the middle of the lane, he doesn't take it. He has the dribbling ability to get there, but he doesn't do it. It's so frustrating to see him not take advantage of opportunities.

No he doesn't.

[Grizzled]

how the hell does stats show court vision?

How does a high number of assists with a low number of turnovers show good court vision?? You honestly can

[Grizzled]

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Ast/TO doesn't shot court vision.. heck.. I can rack up a high Ast/TO ratio if I just pass to a shooter that will score.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Apparently there are two of you.

[rdtx2005]

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Apparently there are two of you.

the point is.. court vision != high amount of assists.

[deknow]

how the hell does stats show court vision?

How does a high number of assists with a low number of turnovers show good court vision??

seriously how old are you and how long have you been watching the game? I need to know this before I rip into you again.

You honestly can

[rdtx2005]

how the hell does stats show court vision?

How does a high number of assists with a low number of turnovers show good court vision?? You honestly can

[rdtx2005]

I am begging you to tell us how stats has anything to do with court vision PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME HOW?? I'm not kidding I really want to hear how you explain this one.

Derrick Martin 18 to 1
Claderon 6.11 to 1
Nash 3.4 to 1

quite obvious that Martin has the best court vision of all PGs

[Tommy Gun]

Last night the trio of Billups, Rip and Prince went 20-37 for 50 points.

Tonight, the Celtics held them to 13-40 for 42 points.

Thats why we lost.

[deknow]

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then you are just saying Nash doesn't have court vision and that Calderon's is far superior to Nash.

Calderon is 6.11:1
Nash is 3.4:1

the numbers do not support your "theory"

shhhh that was suppose to be my finisher!

[rdtx2005]

Last night the trio of Billups, Rip and Prince went 20-37 for 50 points.

Tonight, the Celtics held them to 13-40 for 42 points.

Thats why we lost.

to be fair. even if we held them to 42 points.. we still would have lost

[Grizzled]

That is an excellent point. Nash uses his brain and basketball IQ to get to where he wants. It has nothing to do with his physical ability, which is why he has gotten better with age. Ford uses his quickness and speed to get to where he wants most of the time instead of using his brain. As a result, TJ is closer to Iverson than he is to Nash.

Exactly right.

Aside from shooting, Jose is nothing like Nash. Jose lacks the aggressiveness or willingness to get to where he wants in order to put pressure on the opposing team playing defense. He can get there, but he hasn't shown any interest to get there. For example, when Jose has an open path to get to the middle of the lane, he doesn't take it. He has the dribbling ability to get there, but he doesn't do it. It's so frustrating to see him not take advantage of opportunities.

Not right. Nash at Jose

[Death Knight]

how the hell does stats show court vision?

How does a high number of assists with a low number of turnovers show good court vision?? You honestly can