Official Bargnani Discussion Thread

[deknow]

STOP DEFENDING Bargnani!!!!! You have no legs to stand on he has been absolutely TERRIBLE! If you believe he has his best games ahead of him then bide your time till they arrive, but for now keep your mouth shut, it makes you look like an idiot. There is no evidence to substantiate picking Bargnani wasn't a huge mistake.

[The Letter V]

STOP DEFENDING Bargnani!!!!! You have no legs to stand on he has been absolutely TERRIBLE! If you believe he has his best games ahead of him then bide your time till they arrive, but for now keep your mouth shut, it makes you look like an idiot. There is no evidence to substantiate picking Bargnani wasn't a huge mistake.

YEAH!! Lets rip Bargnani like there's no tomorrow. Let's whine and cry about the draft, and wish we had drafted someone else. Damn, this is going to be productive!

[dagger]

STOP DEFENDING Bargnani!!!!! You have no legs to stand on he has been absolutely TERRIBLE! If you believe he has his best games ahead of him then bide your time till they arrive, but for now keep your mouth shut, it makes you look like an idiot. There is no evidence to substantiate picking Bargnani wasn't a huge mistake.

Oh I see, Adolf, you can't defend something you believe in, especially when it's not the popular or majority opinion.

We have to shut up, do we?

Well, here''s some advice: Go FK yourself!

[deknow]

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Oh I see, Adolf, you can't defend something you believe in, especially when it's not the popular or majority opinion.

We have to shut up, do we?

Well, here''s some advice: Go FK yourself!

Gee thanks for the advice

save your fight for another day. there will be other days, don't defend something when there is no defense. Right now you're defense is like a guy who gets caught red handed cheating on his wife and he says "babe its not what it seems you have to believe me!"

[Vorticity]

Of course it's also debatable who is even playing a particular position since Bosh and Bargnani - or any two of our bigs - are switching cover regularly. Both took turns covering Ilgauskus on Sunday, which only goes to show the limitations of any analysis which purports to describe a player in a unitary fashion.

BARGNANI ON THE BOARDS: Seems Sam is willing to cut Andrea Bargnani some slack when it comes to rebounding.

Makes entire sense, too.

"Andrea understands he has to become more consistent and I understand there are going to be times when he doesn't get to the offensive boards because of where we put him on the floor," Mitchell said. "I'll allow for that but ... (but) defensive rebounding, because he's guarding centres around the basket, he's got to go get it."

There is no doubt that Bargnani's rebounding, and his willingness to get near the basket and try to get the ball, is better this year than it was last and there's every reason to think it'll continue to improve.

At least Chris Bosh sees it that way.

"I think he just has to work on his confidence on defence and rebounding," Bosh said of his frontcourt mate. "He has tendencies to stay outside a little bit and not stay in there and get physical but he has the build for it. He's 250 pounds so he can get in there and bump around."

The question is: Will he?
http://www.thestar.com/article/269508

I don't know, I'm confused now, maybe you're right and we don't even have a C, but rather a floating C, although what you wrote is more evidence that Bosh is compensating for him.

[gusguy]

One might argue that the board is reaching new lows when we single out the youngest player for a problem which is endemic to the whole team.

Last night: Rebounds

Bargs 2

Bosh 1

[The_Hater]

Bargs' development was severly hampered in the off season when he went to go play for the Italian NT.

This might be true on some level but does nothing to explain his poor rebounding. His rebounding rate this season is virtually even with his awful rookie numbers.

But back to your point, playing for someones national team didn't appear to have a huge negative effect on tons of other NBA players. Calderon, Delfino on this team. LeBron James, Dwight Howard and others league wide. Howard oddly enough, leads the league in rebounding.

[deknow]

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YEAH!! Lets rip Bargnani like there's no tomorrow. Let's whine and cry about the draft, and wish we had drafted someone else. Damn, this is going to be productive!

Bide your time when you defend bull play you come off like a tunneled visioned homer.

[Raptors90102]

STOP DEFENDING Bargnani!!!!! You have no legs to stand on he has been absolutely TERRIBLE! If you believe he has his best games ahead of him then bide your time till they arrive, but for now keep your mouth shut, it makes you look like an idiot. There is no evidence to substantiate picking Bargnani wasn't a huge mistake.

lol.. talk about being touchy

[MrBojangelz71]

STOP DEFENDING Bargnani!!!!! You have no legs to stand on he has been absolutely TERRIBLE! If you believe he has his best games ahead of him then bide your time till they arrive, but for now keep your mouth shut, it makes you look like an idiot. There is no evidence to substantiate picking Bargnani wasn't a huge mistake.

Very untrue. 2nd in rookie voting, 3rd leading scorer on a playoff, top 3 team, timely scoring and descent D near the end of last season ect... Oh ya, we could look back on his Euro days as well for more evidence. No use preaching to you with the blinders on and all.

I've already stated my unhappiness with his lack of energy and attention on D but you are trying to hang your hat on way to small of a hook. The problem right now with AB is between his ears, nothing more, nothing less. If you are unable to see his skills with your personal tirades taking precedence, that's fine but much to your dismay, he has loads of skill and potential and it will surface before the year is over. Then you can step back up on the idiot box!

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

i think he's actually mentally trying too hard and it's affecting his game. He's not just playing and the over thinking is slowing him down IMO. . Before, although he still wasn't getting many boards he was showing more of an instinct to find a man and box out. Now he's trying to find the a balance between playing too close to his man and helping, and I know it's in his head that every time a teammate gets a rebound over him it's like a missed shot, so now I think he's getting away from simply putting a body on a guy and grabbing the ones that fall in his lap. He's making it too difficult, IMO.

[deknow]

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Very untrue. 2nd in rookie voting, 3rd leading scorer on a playoff, top 3 team, timely scoring and descent D near the end of last season ect... Oh ya, we could look back on his Euro days as well for more evidence. No use preaching to you with the blinders on and all.

I'm a Bargnani supporter check the history buddy. His play of late has been awful and yet people keep defending him. I don't grow so attached to my opinion, he has been brutal this year and members of his draft class have surpassed him, its a fact. Do I still think his best years are ahead of him? without a doubt but in the present time arguing for him makes you look foolish. There will be better days for this type of thing.

I've already stated my unhappiness with his lack of energy and attention on D but you are trying to hang your hat on way to small of a hook. The problem right now with AB is between his ears, nothing more, nothing less. If you are unable to see his skills with your personal tirades taking precedence, that's fine but much to your dismay, he has loads of skill and potential and it will surface before the year is over.

You should go give him council Dr. Phil

Then you can step back up on the idiot box!

Temper, temper...

[Reignman]

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This might be true on some level but does nothing to explain his poor rebounding. His rebounding rate this season is virtually even with his awful rookie numbers.

But back to your point, playing for someones national team didn't appear to have a huge negative effect on tons of other NBA players. Calderon, Delfino on this team. LeBron James, Dwight Howard and others league wide. Howard oddly enough, leads the league in rebounding.

I know your trying to create discussion, but this made me chuckle a bit. Non of the guys you mentioned above have holes in their game as big as rebounding for Bargs. All those guys can still have major impacts in the game even with their weaknesses.

The major one I can see there would be D12 and his shooting ability, maybe he could have spent an off season practising his 15 footer, but really, this guy could go the rest of his career without learning to shoot and he'd probably still go down as one of the best centers of his generation.

Bargs cannot say the same. He's only going to get minutes on this team playing Center, back up Center, or back up PF. That's it. One of his primary functions playing those positions is rebounding.

Bottom line, this guy needs to go through an intensive off season of learning the fundamentals of playing the Center postion. We CANNOT expect the Raps coaching staff to do this during the season. There's just not enough time for that. Essentially we are applying a band-aid solution this season and I think some people might have unreasonable expectations. I believe at best he might get a bit better during the season, but with a proper off season, we might see improvements on a larger scale around the same point next season.

[Luv 4 da game]

Question : What position did AB played for his National team in the offseason ?

[deknow]

Question : What position did AB played for his National team in the offseason ?

I believe he was the centre. Not 100% on that though

[rapz**7**]

Why are we still harping on Bargz? The team is still young and everyone has to develop in certain areas. We're not expecting to win the Finals in the next 3 years. BC said to give him 5 years to develop and while that maybe too long for many on the board I think I can live with those five years. Many have already forgotten what life was like before the BC era. If we we're expecting to make the finals in the next few years i'm positive BC would have drafted someone with less upside but who was more NBA ready. In five years if he's not living up to expectations we can all chip in to buy his ticket back to Italy but for now just let him play.

[RapsVC15]

90 or so games is too small of a sample size to anoint Bargnani the worst rebounding C of all time, I hope some of you realize that.

[Antoine_Wright21]

I think it's justified for SS to completely bash BUSTnani since he is a bust, our saviour trying to cover his arse saying to judge him after 5 years (when his friggin rookie contract is over and we're a year into overpaying him).

This is a forum. People voice their own opinions. SS does a good job of supporting what he says unlike half of the retards who start threads saying who and who sucks because of one play, or so and so is amazing because a string of 3 games in which they scored 20 + points. Bargnani deserves to be bashed, especially when idiots are going out of their way to bash CB4 on his own website.

I don't get why people are being completely blinded by someone who has the basketball IQ that rivals that of Joey Graham's. I guess his nickname Il Mago serves him right seeing as he's working magic on everyone's mind thinking he's some type of saviour who has unlimited potential. He sucks, face it.

Chris Bosh came into the league with half the frame that Bargnani has now, and was 2 inches shorter. He started at centre of us. CENTRE. Yeah the position mr. Il Fago is supposed to play. Bosh came in night in and night out, getting his arese handed to him but he took it like a pro. He brought it on himself to get better. Look at the progression in CB4s game :

First season : 11.5 & 7.4
Second season : 16.8 and 8.9
Third season : 22.5 & 9.2


Now let us analyze BUSTnani's production :

First season : 11.6 & 3.9
Second season : 9.6 & 3.5

Bargani has regressed in almost every category known to man, except apg and 3pt %.

Tell me how someone who had "loads of potential" regressed when he was supposed to get better. I didn't remember people calling Chris Bosh the franchise in his first season. Yet people are so quick to call Bargnani a future superstar. People keep comparing him to dirk or Mehmet Okur. In all honesty, he will never reach the level of those players because of his work ethic. He's done nothing to improve his game. He plays exactly the way he did last year except for the fact he's shooting worse percentages. The excuses were okay last year, this year he has nothing to hide behind.

But after saying all this, I seriously hope he reads something posted by SS, lights a fire under his ass and completely proves me wrong. The day Bargnani develops into the dream player you keep saying he will become is the day we become legit contenders.

[RapsVC15]

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Last night: Rebounds

Bargs 2

Bosh 1

We won though so Bosh is immune of any criticism, Bargnani hate shall continue though.

[kyrils]

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That's bizarre logic. That's like saying a parent doesn't spend enough time with his/her kids, but if you ignore all the month long business trips, he/she do. The fact that he doesn't hit the offensive boards is part of the problem, not an excuse.

I am say that defensive rebounds is a true measure of his rebounding ability because he cant hit the boards standing at the 3 point line.

My logic is like saying the you go on the business trips because you need the money, not because you are a dead beat parent