Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[Indeed]

Beal can definitely play PG I don't know what you guys are talking about.

There's a long history of the "trying to turn a 2 guard into a big PG to fit our team" idea not working. You need to have the PG gene in your blood and developmental history to play the position. It's hard to explain but it happens over and over and over in the draft. You're either a PG or a SG after your college season, your stripes don't change. Sometimes types like S Curry can be a shoot first player in college, but still overwhelmingly ball dominant and the guy "running the offense" and making all the decisions for his team. He was a PG, just a score first one. I would say Lillard falls into that group. That's different from Beal, a player who is a flat out, run me off screens and let me space the floor for my PG, 2 guard, who has no history playing the 1.

Demar can either be a poor man's Wilson Chandler at SF or he can get out if we consider Beal the BPA. Nothing wrong with having 2 very good SGs and dealing one. Especially if it's done before Demar gets paid.

It's not about turning Beal into PG, Beal plays like a PG (or can play at the point) in the size of SG.
Just like Bargnani plays like a SF in the size of C, or James Johnson can play the point in the size of SF.

It is not changing his mentality (your concern), but we are playing his strength.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Trey Burke is the next Kyle Lowry. Extremely similar type of build, game.

[Indeed]

If Beal measures 6'4" or over, he goes top 5. The kid is a stud, he is going to be a great shooting guard.

He is already measured at 6'4.5, which is 6'5. The question is his wingspan. It seems as long as the other SF where he was guarding, but it is hard to tell. He can be 6'9" or 6'10" (currently measured at 6'7").

[ash_k]

no Beal plays like a Shooting Guard should play (period!)

[fredericklove]

Sully is so much different now compared to last year and the mcd/jordan brand game. His range has improved vastly, but he's no longer the big fat bulky guy who can abuse in the paint like he used to. I wonder if the shed of fat is a good thing or bad thing lol.

[fredericklove]

If Beal measures 6'4" or over, he goes top 5. The kid is a stud, he is going to be a great shooting guard.

He is already measured at 6'4.5, which is 6'5. The question is his wingspan. It seems as long as the other SF where he was guarding, but it is hard to tell. He can be 6'9" or 6'10" (currently measured at 6'7").

I will jizz if it's 6'10. Remind me that me and Ash_k (?) made a bet on TJ's height. Sig bet right, ash?

[Undefeated]

Wow, perfect bounce pass by Burke. Too bad it missed.

[fredericklove]

Wolves can't do crap against OSU's defense.

[fredericklove]

Nice Hollywood flop there, Sully.

[Undefeated]

Aaron Craft and Tim Hardaway Jr. are good prospects to look at in the second round.

[Indeed]

Agree undefeated, Casey's system is all about screen and roll or cut etc, PG isn't the most important under Casey, if other guards have court vision it'll work equally fine in his system, bring the ball up by Beal, and then work on their play quickly. I rather have Beal bring the ball up and quickly pass to Bargs, or to Demar to attack, than having Jose hogging the ball for the entire possession.

Exactly. The Raptors really struggle to get into their offensive set early in the shot-clock because the ball is always stuck to someone's hand before making a quick move which usually results in a (ill-advised) shot late in the clock. The Raptors are attempting 17% of their field goals with 21+ seconds into the clock. Only the Pistons, Clippers, and Hornets attempt a higher percentage of field goals with 21+ seconds gone than the Raptors. So, you can see how badly the Raptors struggle to get into a structured possession. This is why I like Bradley Beal because he's able to make decisions on the move as evident by his ability to keep his head up and dart outlet passes down the floor. He also recognizes match-ups early too being able to take advantage of one-on-one coverage for his teammates. Patric Young had so many points inside the restricted area just because of Beal quickly recognizing Young had the strength to overpower Anthony Davis before the Cats' defense could collapse on him to give Davis some help.

Yup, I notice Beal spotted Young quickly in the post several times, he's just smart at reading the game for himself and for others. Unlike Jose, he just looks to p&r over and over again hoping there's opening to drive or to do whatever ill-advise decision...so SICK of it. Under Casey's offense, the more ball movement there are, especially the quicker the ball moves around, the better chance to find guys open or creating mismatch (size or speed advantage) to score.

This is why some posters wonder what we'll do with Demar if we draft Beal. I kept saying to trade Demar or bring him off bench, but it is Beal who can interchange, be a SG, or occasional PG while Demar can occasional play SF only when there's size adv, then stick to his SG. It's interchangeable. If Beal is the BPA at 6 or 7th pick, GET him.

One of them needs elite handle, and I would have Beal off the bench for his first year (nothing wrong with that).

Even more interesting, it would be better to pair Lamb and Beal instead of DeRozan and Beal. Lamb can be the primary ball handler on a pick and roll, and Beal as the secondary ball handler.

[fredericklove]

Aaron Craft and Tim Hardaway Jr. are good prospects to look at in the second round.

Aaron Craft, baby, been saying it all year, get him in 2nd round. We really need a guy who can play stellar defense at the 1 spot. Maybe its due to getting sick of watching the crap D by Joseless.

[raps_aviator]

Damian Lillard looks nice but there is not even one big name team in his conference.

[fredericklove]

Even more interesting, it would be better to pair Lamb and Beal instead of DeRozan and Beal. Lamb can be the primary ball handler on a pick and roll, and Beal as the secondary ball handler.

True buddy, lamb/beal are better combo, but sigh, why demar? Why him?

[fredericklove]

Alley oop to timmy? What is that white boy smoking?

[Undefeated]

Aaron Craft and Tim Hardaway Jr. are good prospects to look at in the second round.

Aaron Craft, baby, been saying it all year, get him in 2nd round. We really need a guy who can play stellar defense at the 1 spot. Maybe its due to getting sick of watching the crap D by Joseless.

Yeah, I really like Aaron Craft. I think playing with Sully really helps him as a good entry passer. As sad as this sounds, Bargnani might be the Raptors best interior passer. When Bargnani seals his man down low and calls for the ball, no one on this current roster can even throw a precise entry pass. Craft would help.

[nahom1319]

Even more interesting, it would be better to pair Lamb and Beal instead of DeRozan and Beal. Lamb can be the primary ball handler on a pick and roll, and Beal as the secondary ball handler.

True buddy, lamb/beal are better combo, but sigh, why demar? Why him?

Beal/HB >>>> Beal/Lamb

[ty123]

Not liking what I'm seeing from Burke right now.

[fredericklove]

Even more interesting, it would be better to pair Lamb and Beal instead of DeRozan and Beal. Lamb can be the primary ball handler on a pick and roll, and Beal as the secondary ball handler.

True buddy, lamb/beal are better combo, but sigh, why demar? Why him?

Beal/HB >>>> Beal/Lamb

Beal/Davis >>>> both.

[highness]

Is this a NBA draft thread or an anti Demar thread?