2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[nahom1319]

Source?

http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bul ... tery-picks

It's pretty common practice now. Not all prospects necessarily do it but more and more players agents are advising guys to skew the results because higher very measurements = better draft placement. I thought this was common knowledge and/or common sense.

If that's the case it back fired on Jarnell Stokes and Patrick Young

How so? Keep in mind unless you've seen his wingspan decrease from the listed amount in a previous camp its hard to say who is doing it. The only people who could really say for certain are teams who measure them out again during workouts.

[KillaSham23]

what about Glenn Robinson? That dude seems like hes going to be an ultimate professional and carve out a solid career. Maybe not star potential but looks like he can be a contributor

[Dukenukem23]

Source?

http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bul ... tery-picks

It's pretty common practice now. Not all prospects necessarily do it but more and more players agents are advising guys to skew the results because higher very measurements = better draft placement. I thought this was common knowledge and/or common sense.

If that's the case it back fired on Jarnell Stokes and Patrick Young

Agreed. It's really only beneficial for non bigs since standing reach is not as important as wingspan at positions 1-3.

[Dukenukem23]

http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bul ... tery-picks

It's pretty common practice now. Not all prospects necessarily do it but more and more players agents are advising guys to skew the results because higher very measurements = better draft placement. I thought this was common knowledge and/or common sense.

If you think this is common sense you need to upgrade your knowledge of basketball. You don't defend using only your vertical leap, you defend with your hands up; although it's obvious how this helps guards with the stupidity of some people who value high jumpers over actual basketball players. However, a higher standing reach is actually beneficial whether you understand why or not.

On top of that, I'm not sure how you expect this to be common knowledge when you sourced one article where the author clearly displays sympathy for those who would find skewing your own measurements negatively odd. Also, you provided no proof that Thanasis did that, yet you accuse him of it and then completely disregard the possibility that others could have done it as well.

Its common knowledge to ANYONE who watches the combine where they mention it a half dozen times. I remember hearing one of the guys go on and on about it last year. Don't get so butt hurt because you didn't know. The poster wasn't trying to hurt your feelings.

Couldn't have said it better my friend, thank you

[Roland Brice]

Gotta love the love being shared on here by you lovebirds, but we're still waiting for the information on Thanasis participating in that scam. I'd really like it if his standing reach was 8'11", but right now all I have to go on is 8'8.5". Are we just going to adding inches onto everyone's standing reaches now because of this common knowledge?

[Dukenukem23]

Gotta love the love being shared on here by you lovebirds, but we're still waiting for the information on Thanasis participating in that scam. I'd really like it if his standing reach was 8'11", but right now all I have to go on is 8'8.5". Are we just going to adding inches onto everyone's standing reaches now because of this common knowledge?

[Roland Brice]

Gotta love the love being shared on here by you lovebirds, but we're still waiting for the information on Thanasis participating in that scam. I'd really like it if his standing reach was 8'11", but right now all I have to go on is 8'8.5". Are we just going to adding inches onto everyone's standing reaches now because of this common knowledge?

Spoiler:

No facts to back up your claim of an 8'11" standing reach, huh?

[Dukenukem23]

Gotta love the love being shared on here by you lovebirds, but we're still waiting for the information on Thanasis participating in that scam. I'd really like it if his standing reach was 8'11", but right now all I have to go on is 8'8.5". Are we just going to adding inches onto everyone's standing reaches now because of this common knowledge?

Spoiler:

No facts to back up your claim of an 8'11" standing reach, huh?

Myself and another poster tried to explain it to you already. What more are you looking for?

[Roland Brice]

Spoiler:

No facts to back up your claim of an 8'11" standing reach, huh?

Spoiler:

Myself and another poster tried to explain it to you already. What more are you looking for?

I was clearly referring to Thanasis specifically since you mentioned how his 8'8.5" standing reach must have been measured short based on nothing but a hunch, and is actually closer to 8'11". but nevertheless discussing this with you would seem to be a lost cause so I'm done with your estimates. Hopefully, we can continue the thread with actual facts.

[nahom1319]

Myself and another poster tried to explain it to you already. What more are you looking for?

To be fair I said it was a fairly common practice. Whether or not Thanasis actually did it or not is going to be next to impossible to prove.

[Pass it]

http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-bul ... tery-picks

It's pretty common practice now. Not all prospects necessarily do it but more and more players agents are advising guys to skew the results because higher very measurements = better draft placement. I thought this was common knowledge and/or common sense.

If that's the case it back fired on Jarnell Stokes and Patrick Young

How so? Keep in mind unless you've seen his wingspan decrease from the listed amount in a previous camp its hard to say who is doing it. The only people who could really say for certain are teams who measure them out again during workouts.

It's just suspicious that a guy (patrick young) who measured at 6'10' with a 7'1 wingspan had a standing reach of only 8'7.5" That's less than a lot of SF's in the league.

Plus Jarnell measured with a 8'9.5" standing reach in the usa basketball camp last yr but comes in at 8'7.5" this year.

[Dukenukem23]

No facts to back up your claim of an 8'11" standing reach, huh?

Spoiler:

Myself and another poster tried to explain it to you already. What more are you looking for?

I was clearly referring to Thanasis specifically since you mentioned how his 8'8.5" standing reach must have been measured short based on nothing but a hunch, and is actually closer to 8'11". but nevertheless discussing this with you would seem to be a lost cause so I'm done with your estimates. Hopefully, we can continue the thread with actual facts.

Read this, hopefully this educates you on the subject.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2008/6/22/54308 ... r-explorin

A well written article from 2008 explaining how the combine numbers are skewed. The article also explains why you need to use "common sense" to determine if a player has tanked their standing reach in favour of higher vertical numbers. There is no way to say exactly how much a player tanked their reach but you can make an educated guess based on the eye test, max vertical touch, wingspan, etc, etc all combined.

[Dukenukem23]

If that's the case it back fired on Jarnell Stokes and Patrick Young

How so? Keep in mind unless you've seen his wingspan decrease from the listed amount in a previous camp its hard to say who is doing it. The only people who could really say for certain are teams who measure them out again during workouts.

It's just suspicious that a guy (patrick young) who measured at 6'10' with a 7'1 wingspan had a standing reach of only 8'7.5" That's less than a lot of SF's in the league.

Plus Jarnell measured with a 8'9.5" standing reach in the usa basketball camp last yr but comes in at 8'7.5" this year.

The moral of the story is that you can't rely on combine measurements to be accurate. The only ones to know the true measurements will be teams that have private workouts with players and measure them out themselves.

For us as outsiders looking in we have to use our common sense to determine what numbers seem skewed and which aren't. Fortunately though we have a good GM in Masai that will do his due diligence to cut through the combine fluff.

[nahom1319]

If that's the case it back fired on Jarnell Stokes and Patrick Young

How so? Keep in mind unless you've seen his wingspan decrease from the listed amount in a previous camp its hard to say who is doing it. The only people who could really say for certain are teams who measure them out again during workouts.

It's just suspicious that a guy (patrick young) who measured at 6'10' with a 7'1 wingspan had a standing reach of only 8'7.5" That's less than a lot of SF's in the league.

Plus Jarnell measured with a 8'9.5" standing reach in the usa basketball camp last yr but comes in at 8'7.5" this year.

Oh I have a theory on stuff like that. To mewingspan is a useless number as it accounts for arm length and chest width. In Patrick youngs case he has a huge chest and short arms. It also explains why Ross has long arms and a short wingspan (narrow chest).

IMO they should be measuring from chest to fingertip as that will showcase how much length players actually have to work with.
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But yeah that's just my 2 pennies.

[Risk101]

I was clearly referring to Thanasis specifically since you mentioned how his 8'8.5" standing reach must have been measured short based on nothing but a hunch, and is actually closer to 8'11". but nevertheless discussing this with you would seem to be a lost cause so I'm done with your estimates. Hopefully, we can continue the thread with actual facts.

Myself and another poster tried to explain it to you already. What more are you looking for?

He sucks!

Just kidding A couple of inches isn't really something to bicker about but if its not stated as a fact then it holds little to no weight at all.

[Dukenukem23]

I was clearly referring to Thanasis specifically since you mentioned how his 8'8.5" standing reach must have been measured short based on nothing but a hunch, and is actually closer to 8'11". but nevertheless discussing this with you would seem to be a lost cause so I'm done with your estimates. Hopefully, we can continue the thread with actual facts.

Myself and another poster tried to explain it to you already. What more are you looking for?

He sucks!

Just kidding A couple of inches isn't really something to bicker about but if its not stated as a fact then it holds little to no weight at all.

Read the article.....

[cammac]

I truly wish that NBA draft net was accurate I would be trading 20th for Phillys seconds
Then we would have 32nd, 37th, 39th, 47th, 52nd, 54th & 59th
Players we could get
32nd Nurkic C DX ranked 11th 6ft11
37th Bogdanovic SG DX ranked 34th 6ft6
39th Porzingis PF DX ranked 21st 7ft
47th Powell PF DX ranked 50th 6ft11
52nd Ejim SF DX not ranked 6ft6
54th Inglis SF DX ranked 39th 6ft8
59th Bachynski C DX not ranked 7ft2.5
No cap hit till signed 7 players for less than 3.5 million

Stash some in Europe Nurkic, Bogdanovic, Porzingis & Inglis
Canadians can play back=up role because all seniors and older
Bachynski back-up C
Ejim 3rd SF
Powell likely replaces Hansbrough as 3rd PF

[m83588333]

Porzingus maybe a dead end, Rumor is he will withdraw in order to be in the lottery next season. Inglis may be the same.

[Thespianoid]

Porzingus maybe a dead end, Rumor is he will withdraw in order to be in the lottery next season. Inglis may be the same.

Any sources for those? I can't find any recent news hinting that he will withdraw. I'd be disappointed if Porzingis withdrew for next year, but I guess better for next year's class..

[m83588333]

http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/spai ... eason.html

Also other recent articles hint that he wants to go in the lottery next year. Inglis too. Wait until the withdrawl date but most likely a few Euro will withdraw especially very young latte first second rounders.