Bruno Caboclo discussion thread

[Clementine9]

Completely wasted development year for both these guys.

Coaching and management has been all over the place with their priorities and messages the last two seasons.

"It's a growth process." = Obvious effort to win as many games as possible at the expense of development.

"We have a defensive focus." = 25th in the league in defense while our best defensive lineups and players see more limited minutes.

Now, I don't know if Bruno was really ready to see many minutes at all but I can't for the life of me come up with any ideas about what we did for him this season. Bebe as well.

I wouldn't say it's a waste of a season. They learned english, practiced against NBA players, practiced with NBA coaches, in an NBA facility. That's gotta mean something. It sucks we can't really see it, but it's probably not much different than if they played 500 minutes this year. Are those 500 minutes going to really do determine what he pans out to, or is it the other stuff that is important?

Also, somebody has to be the 13th, and 14th man on a team that gets no minutes right?

Yeah, I guess I'm not saying we accomplished NOTHING but I'm not sure we did too too much. Language can be learned anywhere, especially English. Experience with NBA is always good but exposure doesn't mean you're doing the most you can. I think they tried by sending him to the D-League but that was unsuccessful to say the least.

I almost feel like he took a step back throughout the season. It's becoming harder, not easier, to watch him. Maybe everyone he's playing against has just become more "game ready" than him throughout the season.

[Hendrix]

Coaching and management has been all over the place with their priorities and messages the last two seasons.

"It's a growth process." = Obvious effort to win as many games as possible at the expense of development.

"We have a defensive focus." = 25th in the league in defense while our best defensive lineups and players see more limited minutes.

Now, I don't know if Bruno was really ready to see many minutes at all but I can't for the life of me come up with any ideas about what we did for him this season. Bebe as well.

I wouldn't say it's a waste of a season. They learned english, practiced against NBA players, practiced with NBA coaches, in an NBA facility. That's gotta mean something. It sucks we can't really see it, but it's probably not much different than if they played 500 minutes this year. Are those 500 minutes going to really do determine what he pans out to, or is it the other stuff that is important?

Also, somebody has to be the 13th, and 14th man on a team that gets no minutes right?

Yeah, I guess I'm not saying we accomplished NOTHING but I'm not sure we did too too much. Language can be learned anywhere, especially English. Experience with NBA is always good but exposure doesn't mean you're doing the most you can. I think they tried by sending him to the D-League but that was unsuccessful to say the least.

I almost feel like he took a step back throughout the season. It's becoming harder, not easier, to watch him. Maybe everyone he's playing against has just become more "game ready" than him throughout the season.

I don't know how we can really judge him to say he took a step back though. Like he played 1 game early on where he sank some shots in 12 minutes, and for the most part since then it's been 1 minutes here, or 2 minutes there. Can't really judge a player based on 12 minutes, or based on 1 minute.

I'm thinking though that we should trade him if we aren't going to be playing him though. He needs to this year at least be on a team that he can get some minutes. Send him to a horrid lotto team that can play him (like KJ McDaniels has this year) and see if he can do something. If we're going to try and improve next year to 50+ wins doesn't make sense to have him be 4th in the pecking order at his position again.

[Dleavitt24]

Been reading a lot of negative post on the Raps handling of Bruno and just wanted to get my 2 cents in. Bruno from the start was said to be 2 years away from being 2 years away. As i am not sure exactly what goes on behind the scenes i'm glad Bruno didn't get thrusted into a situation were he most likely would have failed and potentially hinder his confidence. He had a year were he got to acclimate him self into not only the NBA life style but adult hood. I have heard many rookies say the hardest thing about the NBA is the travel, game prep and pressure to perform each night. I look at his situation similar to rookies who loose there first year to injury ( embiid, noel, griffin, randle to name a few) He has a chance to work on his body, work on his game, study the game. Lakers organization had randle give them written reports after every game breaking down what happen and scouting his position. When you get to the professional ranks you can rely on 10% mental and 90% physical anymore, Its the other way around.

With all this being said next year i see Bruno and Bebe in a similar role next year to that of fields and stiemsma. Still on limited minutes but if an injury goes down they will get there chance. For now they will get to take their time developing in a winning organization. If by chance next year the Raps fall out of playoff position they could also see heavier minutes. One thing I wouldn't do is hand them over to another organization to rep the benifits.

[vjkid]

The bar isn't exactly high. Does he have the potential to be better than Barbosa, Varejao, and Nene? I'd certainly hope so!

Actually the best Brazilian ever is supposed to be Oscar Schmidt. He was part of the 84 draft and has the most points scored by any professional player. He is in both the FIBA and NBA hall of fame.

Bruno would have to actually become the Brazilian Kevin Durant for this to happen.

http://grantland.com/features/oscar-sch ... of-brazil/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Schmidt

[dTox]

I wish we had drafted Rodney Hood or Capella, mostly the former, he would have been able to help this team right away and seems to have a brighter future than Bruno.

[basketballbeans]

Been reading a lot of negative post on the Raps handling of Bruno and just wanted to get my 2 cents in. Bruno from the start was said to be 2 years away from being 2 years away. As i am not sure exactly what goes on behind the scenes i'm glad Bruno didn't get thrusted into a situation were he most likely would have failed and potentially hinder his confidence. He had a year were he got to acclimate him self into not only the NBA life style but adult hood. I have heard many rookies say the hardest thing about the NBA is the travel, game prep and pressure to perform each night. I look at his situation similar to rookies who loose there first year to injury ( embiid, noel, griffin, randle to name a few) He has a chance to work on his body, work on his game, study the game. Lakers organization had randle give them written reports after every game breaking down what happen and scouting his position. When you get to the professional ranks you can rely on 10% mental and 90% physical anymore, Its the other way around.

With all this being said next year i see Bruno and Bebe in a similar role next year to that of fields and stiemsma. Still on limited minutes but if an injury goes down they will get there chance. For now they will get to take their time developing in a winning organization. If by chance next year the Raps fall out of playoff position they could also see heavier minutes. One thing I wouldn't do is hand them over to another organization to rep the benifits.

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[mrsocko]

You should rerun the poll based on how we currently feel after Bruno spent the season on the bench.

It would be interesting to compare the two polls.

[Kabookalu]

Oh yeah.

[cammac]

Everyone believes that the D League is a panacea! It isn't. It would be far better to have a Euro League team instead of putting Bruno, Bebe & Daniels on a D League team sign them to equivalent to NBA salaries in Bruno and Bebe case 3 years and Daniels one year. You control the players and put a NBA style coach in to teach them and give them minutes for North American game. Also recruit promising young Euro players then control there destiny somewhat.

Better league and older players to get experience.

[Ponchos]

Bruno could really be something special if he wasn't extremely terrible at basketball.

[MEDIC]

Oh yeah.

Haha. That totally looks photoshopped.

[dballislife]

Kid just needs to play ball, get him 25-30min in a league somewhere next year and let him play

[Egg Nog]

Actually the best Brazilian ever is supposed to be Oscar Schmidt. He was part of the 84 draft and has the most points scored by any professional player. He is in both the FIBA and NBA hall of fame.

Partially true.

There is no "NBA Hall of Fame"...but even if there was, Oscar Schmidt wouldn't be a part of it because he never played in the NBA.

He is, however, a member of the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame.

[vjkid]

Actually the best Brazilian ever is supposed to be Oscar Schmidt. He was part of the 84 draft and has the most points scored by any professional player. He is in both the FIBA and NBA hall of fame.

Partially true.

There is no "NBA Hall of Fame"...but even if there was, Oscar Schmidt wouldn't be a part of it because he never played in the NBA.

He is, however, a member of the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame.

You are right, meant Naismith

[bonbons]

I think this is still a waste of a pick. You don't draft a guy with zero basketball skills and who's best case scenario for the next 4 years is that he'll maybe be serviceable in 4 years. I would have felt better if we stashed him away somewhere like the Bulls did with Mirotic, and if he amounts to anything, then sign him. Otherwise, this feels like a 90% chance he's going to be a big bust.

[mowe]

Oh yeah.

HOLY S*** look at those arms!! Am I high or are they extremely unnatural looking?

[bozothepope]

Oh yeah.

HOLY S*** look at those arms!! Am I high or are they extremely unnatural looking?

This, and this alone, is why we drafted him.

[DarkKnight]

Oh yeah.

HOLY S*** look at those arms!! Am I high or are they extremely unnatural looking?

This, and this alone, is why we drafted him.

Pretty much. The whole Bruno thing has been a debacle, start to finish so far.

[Kenyon009]

The guy has barely added any mass since he started the season. He still looks like a twig, adding a pound a week while working out isn't that hard. It's on him to get his diet right and get enough calories in, weigh himself every morning, workout, etc.

[PoundTown]

The guy has barely added any mass since he started the season. He still looks like a twig, adding a pound a week while working out isn't that hard. It's on him to get his diet right and get enough calories in, weigh himself every morning, workout, etc.

He may look incredibly bigger, but he is definitely stronger and has definitely added mass. More and leaner muscle and less fat. Not sure why you want him so bulky, looks pretty defined for a 19 or 20 year old. He has plenty of time to do this mass adding thing. People forget that there will barely be any rookies even younger than him coming out in this years draft.