Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

WeTheNorth123 · Post #1001 » by **WeTheNorth123** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:11 pm

RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

I really like him too....but he kind of reminds me of Pascal Siakam

raptor jesus · Post #1002 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:12 pm

RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

Yeah I think he's for sure in the mix - his measurements and stats are almost identical to Siakam.

Watch on YouTube

Post #1003 » by **Duffman100** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:15 pm

WeTheNorth123 wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

I really like him too....but he kind of reminds me of Pascal Siakam

I'm not a fan of his from those highlights...

Kevin Willis · Post #1004 » by **Kevin Willis** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:17 pm

raptor jesus wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

Yeah I think he's for sure in the mix - his measurements and stats are almost identical to Siakam.

Watch on YouTube

I liked Motley all year but I think you gave the reason why he won't be considered. He's identical to Siakam.

raptor jesus · Post #1005 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:32 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

Yeah I think he's for sure in the mix - his measurements and stats are almost identical to Siakam.

Watch on YouTube

I liked Motley all year but I think you gave the reason why he won't be considered. He's identical to Siakam.

I don't think that's at all a deterrent. Imagine both of those guys running the floor, grabbing boards and starting breaks themselves, switching out on the perimeter, winning extra possessions. The question is, can they each develop jump shots. Siakam is coming along, and Motley, although he has a lot of work to put in, has pretty good mechanics. He also has more perimeter skills than Siakam. But I think it's a big mistake to pass on guys because of similarities to current players, as we've seen before - Bargnani over Aldridge because of Bosh rings a bell.

RaptorsLife · Post #1006 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sat May 27, 2017 6:43 pm

raptor jesus wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
Yeah I think he's for sure in the mix - his measurements and stats are almost identical to Siakam.

Watch on YouTube

I liked Motley all year but I think you gave the reason why he won't be considered. He's identical to Siakam.

I don't think that's at all a deterrent. Imagine both of those guys running the floor, grabbing boards and starting breaks themselves, switching out on the perimeter, winning extra possessions. The question is, can they each develop jump shots. Siakam is coming along, and Motley, although he has a lot of work to put in, has pretty good mechanics. He also has more perimeter skills than Siakam. But I think it's a big mistake to pass on guys because of similarities to current players, as we've seen before - Bargnani over Aldridge because of Bosh rings a bell.

Watch on YouTube

he said he wants to be a strench and his shot mechanics better than siakam. Motley got his palm around behind ths ball more

Watch on YouTube

They both could work well together if they play together

HeadtopChunes · Post #1007 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Sat May 27, 2017 7:13 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:Why all the love for Lydon? He doesn't look that good to me

I don't see it either. I bet Lyndon is not a rotation player in 5 years.

Syd-TK3 · Post #1008 » by **Syd-TK3** » Sat May 27, 2017 7:25 pm

I really hope some teams in the 12-22 range reach for potential/project guys like Jeanne,Frank Jackson, Giles allowing guys to fall to us

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WeTheNorth123 · Post #1009 » by **WeTheNorth123** » Sat May 27, 2017 8:02 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:I really hope some teams in the 12-22 range reach for potential/project guys like Jeanne,Frank Jackson, Giles allowing guys to fall to us

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pretty much every year we have surprise people going high in the draft that we never see coming and people falling so i would expect that to happen this year too

raptor jesus · Post #1010 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat May 27, 2017 8:15 pm

Looking into Peter Jok more, and I'm impressed with his playmaking and IQ, in addition to his shooting. Seems to be mostly overlooked because of his age.

I'm usually not big on workout videos, but some eye popping shooting here:

Watch on YouTube

Psubs · Post #1011 » by **Psubs** » Sat May 27, 2017 8:23 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Why all the love for Lydon? He doesn't look that good to me

I don't see it either. I bet Lyndon is not a rotation player in 5 years.

Steve Novak 2.0

Psubs · Post #1012 » by **Psubs** » Sat May 27, 2017 8:26 pm

raptor jesus wrote:I don't think that's at all a deterrent. Imagine both of those guys running the floor, grabbing boards and starting breaks themselves, switching out on the perimeter, winning extra possessions. The question is, can they each develop jump shots. Siakam is coming along, and Motley, although he has a lot of work to put in, has pretty good mechanics. He also has more perimeter skills than Siakam. But I think it's a big mistake to pass on guys because of similarities to current players, as we've seen before - Bargnani over Aldridge because of Bosh rings a bell.

Way back then, I totally wanted Aldridge and was telling people that the double PF would work! If a team had a really dominant big then if 1 PF gets into foul trouble then bring in a beefy bench big and avoid more fouls. It would've been ahead of it's time. Also could start the season bringing Aldridge off the bench but giving him 20-25 mins his rookie year.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1013 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun May 28, 2017 12:28 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Why all the love for Lydon? He doesn't look that good to me

I don't see it either. I bet Lyndon is not a rotation player in 5 years.

Statistically you probably have a 50% chance of being correct but you cannot say such things with any certainty. Maybe he gets a great opportunity and or great coaching or maybe, as he looks to this viewer, he is solid enough to make a longer term contribution. For all the diamond in rough prognostications that happen around here remember Draft Express, and I am sure alot of teams, have Leaf and Lydon well ahead of Motely, Semi, Swanigan, or Bolden. When Norm was plucked in the second round posters here were as clueless about him as they were about us picking Paskal. So get ready to be shocked with a Mathias Lessort type selection. Also, expect this to be a Bobby Webster analytics pick.

HeadtopChunes · Post #1014 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Sun May 28, 2017 12:32 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Why all the love for Lydon? He doesn't look that good to me

I don't see it either. I bet Lyndon is not a rotation player in 5 years.

Statistically you probably have a 50% chance of being correct but you cannot say such things with any certainty. Maybe he gets a great opportunity and or great coaching or maybe, as he looks to this viewer, he is solid enough to make a longer term contribution. For all the diamond in rough prognostications that happen around here remember Draft Express, and I am sure alot of teams, have Leaf and Lydon well ahead of Motely, Semi, Swanigan, or Bolden. When Norm was plucked in the second round posters here were as clueless about him as they were about us picking Paskal. So get ready to be shocked with a Mathias Lessort type selection. Also, expect this to be a Bobby Webster analytics pick.

I just think you need a certain level of talent and intangibles to last in the league. And Lyndon doesn't have either. I might be wrong my opinion doesn't mean more than anyone's but that's how I see it. Yeah I'm ready for Masai to draft someone nobody saw coming.

JediQ · Post #1015 » by **JediQ** » Sun May 28, 2017 2:35 am

raptor jesus wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

Yeah I think he's for sure in the mix - his measurements and stats are almost identical to Siakam.

Watch on YouTube

I haven't seen him play, and I only have this highlight package and his workout video to base my opinion from. Like the other posters, I find the highlight package underwhelming, and the pascal comparison I see it on the offensive moves (or how limited they both are), but as an athlete, I think Pascal is much more quicker at the jump and movement wise, probably a better fast-twitch motor. If anything, he moves and shoots similar to myles turner, albeit a smaller version.

i liked his workout video much better than the highlight package, and based on these 2 videos, he bulked up (noticeably) and he said that he gained 3" on his vertical in a span of 4 months, which shows good work ethic (and it looks like his shooting improved quite a lot)

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1016 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun May 28, 2017 2:36 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:I don't see it either. I bet Lyndon is not a rotation player in 5 years.

Statistically you probably have a 50% chance of being correct but you cannot say such things with any certainty. Maybe he gets a great opportunity and or great coaching or maybe, as he looks to this viewer, he is solid enough to make a longer term contribution. For all the diamond in rough prognostications that happen around here remember Draft Express, and I am sure alot of teams, have Leaf and Lydon well ahead of Motely, Semi, Swanigan, or Bolden. When Norm was plucked in the second round posters here were as clueless about him as they were about us picking Paskal. So get ready to be shocked with a Mathias Lessort type selection. Also, expect this to be a Bobby Webster analytics pick.

I just think you need a certain level of talent and intangibles to last in the league. And Lyndon doesn't have either. I might be wrong my opinion doesn't mean more than anyone's but that's how I see it. Yeah I'm ready for Masai to draft someone nobody saw coming.

LOL too funny I gather players like McBob must infuriate. Thing about basketball, like people, there are a variety of shapes and styles. I noticed Dillon Brooks really shoots with a side kick like Lowry. Lydon (and McBob) are nothing like that but having a different look and wrinkle is what makes basketball great. If everyone was doing Kobe fade aways I'd hate the sport.

RaptorsLife · Post #1017 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sun May 28, 2017 2:44 am

JediQ wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
RaptorsLife wrote:I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

Yeah I think he's for sure in the mix - his measurements and stats are almost identical to Siakam.

Watch on YouTube

I haven't seen him play, and I only have this highlight package and his workout video to base my opinion from. Like the other posters, I find the highlight package underwhelming, and the pascal comparison I see it on the offensive moves (or how limited they both are), but as an athlete, I think Pascal is much more quicker at the jump and movement wise, probably a better fast-twitch motor. If anything, he moves and shoots similar to myles turner, albeit a smaller version.

i liked his workout video much better than the highlight package, and based on these 2 videos, he bulked up (noticeably) and he said that he gained 3" on his vertical in a span of 4 months, which shows good work ethic (and it looks like his shooting improved quite a lot)

Read on Twitter

He says he really likes Paul millsap. That's a good ceiling for him

OAKLEY_2 · Post #1018 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun May 28, 2017 2:44 am

Watch on YouTube

LonZoBallin · Post #1019 » by **LonZoBallin** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:29 am

I'm looking deeper into Dennis smith JR and man I'm telling you SUPERSTAR.

Better 3 point shooter than Fultz, Ball or fox

Gets to the line more than all of them combined.

Doesn't take 2 point jump shots.

Runs the Pick and roll better than any of the point guards.

All this coming off a 10 month layoff due to an ACL injury.

His defence can improve but he''ll be top 5 in steals every year. Great instincts

SUPERSTAR!

Anatomize · Post #1020 » by **Anatomize** » Sun May 28, 2017 3:29 am

Not impressed with Motley.. he looks slow and his base/foundation also appears weak. Those legs are gangly / remind me of Hibbert. I remember when Hibbert was first drafted some people loved him and I just didn't get it, I would watch him try to post up and he had such a hard time because he would get pushed off his base so easily, and then miss easy hook shots because he lacked the strength once he got taken off his spot..