2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[Raptorfan2012]

https://tankathon.com/


Ho-man!
You don't want me drawing the ping pong balls.

I did it 5 times.

Once 6th pick
Twice 7th
Twice 8th

7,8,3,2,8 for me. Kiss that pick goodbye.

[Mark_83]

I'm not totally sold on Sheppard, but I also think we tend to overreact to the "big games" of the NCAA tournament, both positively and negatively.

For example, take a look at Brandon Miller in the tournament last year. In his first game he scored 0 points on 0-5 shooting. If his team had lost because the rest of his team didn't step up, it would have been the same situation. As it was, Alabama advanced and he still didn't cover himself in glory, going 5-17 and 3-19 in his next two games. But now he's coming off a great rookie year in the NBA where he'll almost certainly finish 3rd in ROTY voting, and looks like he's on his way to a great career.

Or, if you want point guards, Quickley is another guy that started the NCAA off terribly in his freshman season, going for 0 points on 0-6 shooting in Kentucky's first game of the 2019 tournament. I'd think we'd say he's also doing alright now.

Yeah those are good point. Miller has good size and skills that translate though. I think the concern with him was more off court.

That was a concern, but people were also questioning his age, handles, finishing ability at the rim. I remember someone even calling him s bust in waiting.

[Zeno]

Would be the funniest thing if the Spurs own pick fell to 7 and we jumped up to where their pick is right now.

That is impossible because Spurs are 5th and we can’t be. Lottery is run 4 times. But it would be kind of great if we jump the Spurs and they are so desperate to move up for someone that they trade us our 2025 back with their pick just to move up a spot or too. Like if we’re 4th and they are 6th and really want Reed Sheppard. Assuming of course who we really want is lower down the draft board.

[CazOnReal]

Would be the funniest thing if the Spurs own pick fell to 7 and we jumped up to where their pick is right now.

That is impossible because Spurs are 5th and we can’t be. Lottery is run 4 times. But it would be kind of great if we jump the Spurs and they are so desperate to move up for someone that they trade us our 2025 back with their pick just to move up a spot or too. Like if we’re 4th and they are 6th and really want Reed Sheppard. Assuming of course who we really want is lower down the draft board.

For some reason I thought they were 3rd and I completely forgot that the Hornets/Blazers overtook them late in to the season.

But yeah, I would advocate for trading down if we're, say, 2nd and the Spurs want to trade up should Sarr be off the the board.

[Ell Curry]

I'm not totally sold on Sheppard, but I also think we tend to overreact to the "big games" of the NCAA tournament, both positively and negatively.

Yeah those are good point. Miller has good size and skills that translate though. I think the concern with him was more off court.

That was a concern, but people were also questioning his age, handles, finishing ability at the rim. I remember someone even calling him s bust in waiting.

I'd be curious to see Sheppard's BPM numbers if you scale his 3pt% down from 52% to the 44% that Dillingham and Reeves shot, or at least 46-47%. His advanced stats are amazing, but 52% is so insanely high that it's probably not representative. If he's still the top freshman non-big with 3pt numbers that more closely match his very good but not insane rep, EYBL numbers (healthy but not insane 38% from 3 apparently) and FT numbers (83% from the line, very good but not insane for a freshman), then it's tough not to take him over a bunch of wings who might just be Kelly Oubre Jr Jr.

[Rapsfan07]

Let’s say both are available for Indiana pick:

Devin Carter or Jared McCain ?

Devin Carter

[CazOnReal]

I guess here's a new "most to least" interested in draft prospects list?

If we keep our pick:

Assuming 1st-4th (If player is available of course): Sarr, Pate*, Castle, Holland, Sheppard, Risacher, TRADE PICK, Buzelis, Williams, Clingan, Topic, Knecht

Assuming 6th (If player is available of course): Holland, Sheppard, Risacher, TRADE PICK, Buzelis, Williams, Clingan, Topic, Walter, Knecht

Pacers 1st (16-19): Missi**, Ware**, Kyshaun, Tyler Smith, Carter, da Silva, McCain, Salaun, Collier, Filipowski

Pistons 2nd (31): Chomche**, Ighodaro, Edey, Bronny**

If we don't:

Pacers 1st (16-19): Missi, Ware, Kyshaun, Tyler Smith, Salaun, Collier

Pistons 2nd (31): Chomche**, Ighodaro, Klintman, Edey, Bronny***

*Assuming Pate is draft eligible which is TBD
**Ware, Chomche & Missi should be ignored if we land Sarr or Clingan in scenario 1
***Only if it somehow means we can sign LeBron

I think the size of the roster and defense are more pressing issues than the team's PG/general guard rotation (Scottie and IQ's minutes can be spread out to account for this, and point Barrett was surprisingly effective at times), particularly the center rotation. Without knowing whether we keep our pick or not/where it will land i.e. 6th, 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th, it's really hard to say who we should target.

[Pericles]

My own draftboard departs from media consensus this season.
I think the prospects from G League Ignite are being
terribly overlooked.

I have it -

1. Buzelis
2. Holland
3. Sarr
4. Cody Williams
5. Smith

[Purple+Black]

https://tankathon.com/


Ho-man!
You don't want me drawing the ping pong balls.

I did it 5 times.

Once 6th pick
Twice 7th
Twice 8th

7,8,3,2,8 for me. Kiss that pick goodbye.

7,6,7,3,2,3,7,8 for me

[WeThe2019Champs]

Only took two tries, it's happening!!

[OAKLEY_2]

https://tankathon.com/


Ho-man!
You don't want me drawing the ping pong balls.

I did it 5 times.

Once 6th pick
Twice 7th
Twice 8th

7,8,3,2,8 for me. Kiss that pick goodbye.

I think we need a plan if we keep it and plan if we convey.

If we keep it it means 6,4,3,2 or 1. That is't every conceivable player hyped for 5 prime spots. One it's Sarr hands down. 2, it gets really interesting but I think you gotta roll with Castle. 3, we are in Clingan vs. Holland territory. 4 it is Topic vs Rissacher. 6 it is between Cody Williams and any of the previous that might fall and maybe (def not a Masai pick) throw in Reed Sheppard.

That's 1. Sarr. 2. Castle. 3. Holland. 4. Topic or falling Clingan. 6. Cody Williams.

We convey. We have to remember going for the play in is loserville. Since Poetl impacts winning in such a significant way we probably need to deal him to a competitive situation. That's where I look for a power forward that starts for us. Next year''s team is missing Paskal, OG, Gary (likely) and Precious. Converting Poetl ito a starting power forward makes a ton of sense at plugging one hole. Scottie plays then he is the 3.

We use Pacers pick and 31 to move up and take the best fallen player or, take a frickin chance by taking the full risk flyer on Zac Edey. We go into next season setting the lotto table again. In the better draft.

I got flamed for suggesting PJ Washington for Poetl but he is the perfect player to add to a squad that will need hustle vets to help new recruits. Everything I read about his package of traits the culture of our team simply does not have. Never say die, plays super hard and plays fast especially in Darko's downhill system. Now I only do this if we convey. If we keep the pick we are not trying to crash and burn in the standings and then Poetl lifts everyone's development. So conveying to me means another tank. Keeping it means tanking is over and Poetl aids competitiveness and leadership. Even if the no free throws takes him off at the end of close games.

[OAKLEY_2]

I just do not see Butelis in the mix anywhere. Willing to be proved wrong though.

[TGM]

Who's the best perimeter defender, that's also at least decent passer.
That's who'd I be looking at later on.

stephon castle

His offensive game looks pretty stiff. Pretty much cutting lay-ups. Maybe the defense is their but the offense is like Joey Graham. His offensive game just doesn't look fluid at all.

[TGM]

I'm not totally sold on Sheppard, but I also think we tend to overreact to the "big games" of the NCAA tournament, both positively and negatively.

For example, take a look at Brandon Miller in the tournament last year. In his first game he scored 0 points on 0-5 shooting. If his team had lost because the rest of his team didn't step up, it would have been the same situation. As it was, Alabama advanced and he still didn't cover himself in glory, going 5-17 and 3-19 in his next two games. But now he's coming off a great rookie year in the NBA where he'll almost certainly finish 3rd in ROTY voting, and looks like he's on his way to a great career.

Or, if you want point guards, Quickley is another guy that started the NCAA off terribly in his freshman season, going for 0 points on 0-6 shooting in Kentucky's first game of the 2019 tournament. I'd think we'd say he's also doing alright now.

Yeah those are good point. Miller has good size and skills that translate though. I think the concern with him was more off court.

That was a concern, but people were also questioning his age, handles, finishing ability at the rim. I remember someone even calling him s bust in waiting.

People always quick to call White players a bust. If Shepard was Black he would be labbeled the next Isiah Thomas.

Sheppard is a high bball IQ player. You don't fluke the stats he put up. Downside you get a JJ Reddick. Upside case you get a Caruso meets JJ with better passing.

[Dalek]

Toronto leaned into the 3 level shooting with Dick and you can see how young playoff teams like OKC and NO stack themselves with plus shooters.

Dalton Knecht to me seems like the best lotto fit if you can get over his age. He does fit into the core timeline even at 23, and he is really the most plug and play types from the group.

He is around 6'6 or 6'7 so a good sized wing. Body is pretty filled out so no need to hope he puts on weight.

Plus athlete with 29 dunks shows good functional athleticism.

40% from three on good volume (93 made).

36% from mid-range area. Showed this a lot against Purdue.

13% Ast which from film shows that he can play a two man game in pick and roll and makes solid passes.

36 FTR and 78% shows how well he gets to the line and converts.

He played a lot of ball running off floppy screens to get his shots. Lots of movement but also self-creation.

I think if you slot him with IQ, Barrett, Scottie and Poeltl he provides the spacing, add some off the dribble scoring or will make smart cuts off the ball. Knecht is a weapon that would make Toronto's offense that much better.

I initially thought he would be the next Jaime Jaquez, but I ran Bartorvik and he and Jalen Williams compare well in their final years. Knecht took a long route to get here, but his film just pops. I love the fit with Toronto the guy is a gamer. That last game vs. Purdue sold me.

[Mark_83]

Yeah those are good point. Miller has good size and skills that translate though. I think the concern with him was more off court.

That was a concern, but people were also questioning his age, handles, finishing ability at the rim. I remember someone even calling him s bust in waiting.

People always quick to call White players a bust. If Shepard was Black he would be labbeled the next Isiah Thomas.

Sheppard is a high bball IQ player. You don't fluke the stats he put up. Downside you get a JJ Reddick. Upside case you get a Caruso meets JJ with better passing.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was talking about Brandon Miller.

[Mark_83]

My monthly Hunter Sallis plug. One of the better off the dribble scorers in this draft, and he projects to be an excellent guard defender. I do wanna see how he measures out at the combine, to determine whether he's switchable up to the 3.

Watch on YouTube

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[Thaddy]

I just do not see Butelis in the mix anywhere. Willing to be proved wrong though.

Filipowski will probably be better. He a true 7 footer, weighs 250+, shoots better, and better handles too. He's pretty much better in every way you could look for including rim defense.

[DG88]

BR new mock draft

The 2024 NBA draft lottery odds are set* with the Detroit Pistons and Washington Wizards favorites to win the first pick. Both franchises will have a 14.0 percent chance at No. 1 overall.

The Portland Trail Blazers are a spot behind them at 13.3 percent, then the Charlotte Hornets at 13.2 percent, and the San Antonio Spurs have a 10.5 percent chance of adding anyone they want to pair with Victor Wembanyama.

The most interesting ping pong balls to watch will be the Toronto Raptors—they'll give their pick to the Spurs if it lands outside the top six.

With no consensus top prospect, rankings or tiers, that means fit will play a bigger role than usual when predicting the draft.

The NBA combine in May will be the next big opportunity for prospects to move the needle, which is something we see many do year after year in Chicago.

6. Toronto Raptors: Stephon Castle
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 5

Team: Connecticut

Position: SG

Size: 6'6", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 19, Freshman

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Anthony Black

The Toronto Raptors are in the No. 6 spot pre-lottery, and they'll need to remain in the top six to avoid having to send their pick to the San Antonio Spurs.

Keeping it could lead them to looking hard at Stephon Castle after a strong national title run, where he was able to showcase his scoring versatility, comfortable playmaking and defense.

His shooting will remain a hot topic and a likely weakness early in his career. But aside from it being improvable, he has shown he can impact games in a variety of other ways, and he has the mentality and unselfishness to thrive to prioritize winning plays over scoring stats.

Between Amen Thompson, Anthony Black, Dyson Daniels, Jeremy Sochan and Scottie Barnes, we continue to see lottery teams willing to look past shooting struggles for two-way versatility.

17. Toronto Raptors (via Pacers): Terrence Shannon Jr.
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 17

Team: Illinois

Position: SG/SF

Size: 6'6", 225 lbs

Age/Year: 23, Senior

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Kelly Oubre Jr.

Front offices will debate Terrence Shannon Jr.'s speed, slashing, shotmaking improvement and defensive tools versus age, streaky shooting and a reliance on high usage and athleticism. Their investigation into rape allegations will be the most important part of predraft homework.

Illinois recently decided to drop its investigation, citing insufficient evidence. However, a criminal case in Kansas remains open, and Shannon will have an important hearing on May 10.

The results will obviously be critical for his draft stock, as will each team's own findings. Otherwise, his on-court development, which resulted in 23.0 points and 2.4 threes per game, has earned him lottery grades.

31. Toronto Raptors (via Pistons): Jaylon Tyson
Previous mock draft spot: No. 31

Team: California

Nationality: American

Position: SF/PF

Size: 6'7", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 21, Junior

Pro comparison: Caleb Martin

Jaylon Tyson figures to get looks from teams starting in the mid-to-late first round after a breakout season averaging 19.6 points and 3.5 assists.

A 30.1 percent usage on a 13-19 California team does cast a cloud over his statistical production. But the eye test clearly shows a scorer with NBA traits and skills, including 6'7" size, ball-handling for creation/playmaking and tough shotmaking.

Tyson should be able to help himself by standing out during NBA combine scrimmages.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116891-2024-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-with-lottery-odds-set

[grant101]

BR new mock draft

The 2024 NBA draft lottery odds are set* with the Detroit Pistons and Washington Wizards favorites to win the first pick. Both franchises will have a 14.0 percent chance at No. 1 overall.

The Portland Trail Blazers are a spot behind them at 13.3 percent, then the Charlotte Hornets at 13.2 percent, and the San Antonio Spurs have a 10.5 percent chance of adding anyone they want to pair with Victor Wembanyama.

The most interesting ping pong balls to watch will be the Toronto Raptors—they'll give their pick to the Spurs if it lands outside the top six.

With no consensus top prospect, rankings or tiers, that means fit will play a bigger role than usual when predicting the draft.

The NBA combine in May will be the next big opportunity for prospects to move the needle, which is something we see many do year after year in Chicago.

6. Toronto Raptors: Stephon Castle
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 5

Team: Connecticut

Position: SG

Size: 6'6", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 19, Freshman

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Anthony Black

The Toronto Raptors are in the No. 6 spot pre-lottery, and they'll need to remain in the top six to avoid having to send their pick to the San Antonio Spurs.

Keeping it could lead them to looking hard at Stephon Castle after a strong national title run, where he was able to showcase his scoring versatility, comfortable playmaking and defense.

His shooting will remain a hot topic and a likely weakness early in his career. But aside from it being improvable, he has shown he can impact games in a variety of other ways, and he has the mentality and unselfishness to thrive to prioritize winning plays over scoring stats.

Between Amen Thompson, Anthony Black, Dyson Daniels, Jeremy Sochan and Scottie Barnes, we continue to see lottery teams willing to look past shooting struggles for two-way versatility.

17. Toronto Raptors (via Pacers): Terrence Shannon Jr.
Previous Mock Draft Spot: No. 17

Team: Illinois

Position: SG/SF

Size: 6'6", 225 lbs

Age/Year: 23, Senior

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Kelly Oubre Jr.

Front offices will debate Terrence Shannon Jr.'s speed, slashing, shotmaking improvement and defensive tools versus age, streaky shooting and a reliance on high usage and athleticism. Their investigation into rape allegations will be the most important part of predraft homework.

Illinois recently decided to drop its investigation, citing insufficient evidence. However, a criminal case in Kansas remains open, and Shannon will have an important hearing on May 10.

The results will obviously be critical for his draft stock, as will each team's own findings. Otherwise, his on-court development, which resulted in 23.0 points and 2.4 threes per game, has earned him lottery grades.

31. Toronto Raptors (via Pistons): Jaylon Tyson
Previous mock draft spot: No. 31

Team: California

Nationality: American

Position: SF/PF

Size: 6'7", 215 lbs

Age/Year: 21, Junior

Pro comparison: Caleb Martin

Jaylon Tyson figures to get looks from teams starting in the mid-to-late first round after a breakout season averaging 19.6 points and 3.5 assists.

A 30.1 percent usage on a 13-19 California team does cast a cloud over his statistical production. But the eye test clearly shows a scorer with NBA traits and skills, including 6'7" size, ball-handling for creation/playmaking and tough shotmaking.

Tyson should be able to help himself by standing out during NBA combine scrimmages.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10116891-2024-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-with-lottery-odds-set

We are not drafting three sg-sized wings, especially if one of them is Terrence Shannon. I'm not sure why they bother labelling this a mock draft if they don't take team needs seriously.

That said, Castle and Tyson are fine picks