Snapbacks and Handshakes: The 2017 Draft (Raps pick #23)

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What's the consensus on DJ Wilson around here? I'm watching these highlights and it's hard not to be intrigued.. he seems like if he matures physically speaking he could be a beast after some time in the gym..

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I don't see it either. I bet Lyndon is not a rotation player in 5 years.

Statistically you probably have a 50% chance of being correct but you cannot say such things with any certainty. Maybe he gets a great opportunity and or great coaching or maybe, as he looks to this viewer, he is solid enough to make a longer term contribution. For all the diamond in rough prognostications that happen around here remember Draft Express, and I am sure alot of teams, have Leaf and Lydon well ahead of Motely, Semi, Swanigan, or Bolden. When Norm was plucked in the second round posters here were as clueless about him as they were about us picking Paskal. So get ready to be shocked with a Mathias Lessort type selection. Also, expect this to be a Bobby Webster analytics pick.

I just think you need a certain level of talent and intangibles to last in the league. And Lyndon doesn't have either. I might be wrong my opinion doesn't mean more than anyone's but that's how I see it. Yeah I'm ready for Masai to draft someone nobody saw coming.

It's like the year Channing Frye was coming out. I just wanted to Raptors to not draft him and he was a bust in the top 10, but eventually worked on his shooting and is a bench rotation guy. Maybe he's like that or maybe he's out of the league in 6-7 years.

[OAKLEY_2]

Best athlete in our range is Terrence Ferguson. Want the game mojo he has it.

[LonZoBallin]

Best athlete in our range is Terrence Ferguson. Want the game mojo he has it.

In all the all-star games last year(Mcdonalds, Jordan, AAU) he ws the best player

That's including every player that is in the top 10 since they're all freshman. He could be a steal

[CoachJReturns]

What's the consensus on DJ Wilson around here? I'm watching these highlights and it's hard not to be intrigued.. he seems like if he matures physically speaking he could be a beast after some time in the gym..

Great athlete. Plays kind of soft judging by those very low rebounding numbers. If he can play some SF that's probably less of an issue, but as a big it matters even in this perimeter ball era. Explosive athlete though, so I wouldn't exactly be mad if we picked him.

[omar36]

Best athlete in our range is Terrence Ferguson. Want the game mojo he has it.

In all the all-star games last year(Mcdonalds, Jordan, AAU) he ws the best player

That's including every player that is in the top 10 since they're all freshman. He could be a steal

i like how nba draft net has his comp as ross lol. he looks pretty good especially on the defensive side and just turned 19. personally, i would love raps to take em

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I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

I really like him too....but he kind of reminds me of Pascal Siakam

Yes. Same here..he seems to be a little quicker.
Not sure if we need 2 Pascals with us.

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Best athlete in our range is Terrence Ferguson. Want the game mojo he has it.

In all the all-star games last year(Mcdonalds, Jordan, AAU) he ws the best player

That's including every player that is in the top 10 since they're all freshman. He could be a steal

i like how nba draft net has his comp as ross lol. he looks pretty good especially on the defensive side and just turned 19. personally, i would love raps to take em

He's the taller / lankier version of Ross that we all wanted to play SF.

[PhilBlackson]

Best athlete in our range is Terrence Ferguson. Want the game mojo he has it.

In all the all-star games last year(Mcdonalds, Jordan, AAU) he ws the best player

That's including every player that is in the top 10 since they're all freshman. He could be a steal

I think you're mistaking best player with most points. The vast majority of his buckets came on WIDE open (keywords) 3 pt shots since no one plays any defence. Which isn't an indicator of anything other than what's already known which is he can shoot 3s n is a much better competition dunker than in game. He is incredibly one dimensional at this point and was from the being the best player there just because in a no defense game he was allowed to jack up open shots.

Ross was quicker and a better in game dunker too.

[RaptorsLife]

I'm on Johnathan Motley bandwagon.

His length and stats are very good

I really like him too....but he kind of reminds me of Pascal Siakam

Yes. Same here..he seems to be a little quicker.
Not sure if we need 2 Pascals with us.

In a big pascal fan. So having another pascal I wouldn't mind lol. 7-4 wingspan who loves to play defense and great work ethic easy to root for. But motley got better bbiq than pascal. It's understandable because he only started playing basketball recently.

Watching a ton of pascal in the d league he really played a lot like Shawn Marion. He did everything on court. Won't not be shocked if he could play the 3 one day with his quickness and with his natural added strength he could be small ball 5 one day.

Both siakam and motley multi positional players so I wouldn't just label them only as 4s. Even though motley said he is stench 4 in NBA

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What's the consensus on DJ Wilson around here? I'm watching these highlights and it's hard not to be intrigued.. he seems like if he matures physically speaking he could be a beast after some time in the gym..

Great athlete. Plays kind of soft judging by those very low rebounding numbers. If he can play some SF that's probably less of an issue, but as a big it matters even in this perimeter ball era. Explosive athlete though, so I wouldn't exactly be mad if we picked him.

College numbers usually aren't a great indicator of rebounding. There's a lot of zone being played. He averaged 5 rebounds, guess who else did in college? Marquese Chriss.

All of his shooting stats and athleticism indicate he's a very favorable prototype for the new NBA SF / PF style, he even hit 83% at the line, that's a huge benefit at his size.

Athleticism usually translates well to solid rebounding numbers, and he looks to have a body on him which will allow for significant physical growth.

Chriss averaged a little under 5 rebounds as a rookie in just 21 mpg.

He compares pretty favorably to Chriss with his tools.. and if we can get that at 23 that's pretty solid.. He's growing on me.

Chriss is 6'10 with shoes and a 7 foot wingspan with a 38.5 max vert. He doesn't have a crazy wingspan for his size ala guys like Draymond, but he's a shot blocking machine because he's such a fast leaper, and is extremely athletic.

Wilson is 6'10.5 with shoes with a 7'3 wingspan (no vert measured), and has a standing reach of 9'1 - and is already a bonafide shot blocker.

There's a lot to like here based on the measurements and what I'm seeing visually.

This guy already seems to be a better shooter than Chriss (huge difference in FT%). One guy went 8th, and Wilson is slated to go in the mid - late 20's.

As long as he's not injury prone I wouldn't be mad about this pick.

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Motley played sweet sixteen game with a torn MCL.

Toughness and competitiveness attributes you can't teach

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Motley played sweet sixteen game with a torn MCL.

Toughness and competitiveness attributes you can't teach

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I'm not sure what that vid is about lol

Like 90% of NBA bigs can do these.. Go to any game and watch warm ups, you'll see guys you never thought of as dunkers throwing down ridiculous stuff. I guess if he's doing it at 80% it's somewhat impressive, but a lot of NBA players play injured so..

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Motley played sweet sixteen game with a torn MCL.

Toughness and competitiveness attributes you can't teach

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I'm not sure what that vid is about lol

Like 90% of NBA bigs can do these.. Go to any game and watch warm ups, you'll see guys you never thought of as dunkers throwing down ridiculous stuff. I guess if he's doing it at 80% it's somewhat impressive, but a lot of NBA players play injured so..

Which NBA players play with a torn Mcl. We had a pg who didn't play because ankle sprain. Btw not blaming Lowry for missing the 2 games. But players don't play Games with injuries often
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[RaptorsLife]

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Motley played sweet sixteen game with a torn MCL.

Toughness and competitiveness attributes you can't teach

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I'm not sure what that vid is about lol

Like 90% of NBA bigs can do these.. Go to any game and watch warm ups, you'll see guys you never thought of as dunkers throwing down ridiculous stuff. I guess if he's doing it at 80% it's somewhat impressive, but a lot of NBA players play injured so..

Which NBA players play with a torn Mcl. We had a pg who didn't play because ankle sprain. Btw not blaming Lowry for missing the 2 games. But players don't play Games with injuries often


Video aside. His production, length, bbiq I think he is on of the most underrated players in the draft. I felt the same way about tauren prince last year and he turned out pretty good for Atlanta. Check last year's draft threads.

Baylor players underrated to me lll

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What's the consensus on DJ Wilson around here? I'm watching these highlights and it's hard not to be intrigued.. he seems like if he matures physically speaking he could be a beast after some time in the gym..

Great athlete. Plays kind of soft judging by those very low rebounding numbers. If he can play some SF that's probably less of an issue, but as a big it matters even in this perimeter ball era. Explosive athlete though, so I wouldn't exactly be mad if we picked him.

College numbers usually aren't a great indicator of rebounding. There's a lot of zone being played. He averaged 5 rebounds, guess who else did in college? Marquese Chriss.

All of his shooting stats and athleticism indicate he's a very favorable prototype for the new NBA SF / PF style, he even hit 83% at the line, that's a huge benefit at his size.

Athleticism usually translates well to solid rebounding numbers, and he looks to have a body on him which will allow for significant physical growth.

Chriss averaged a little under 5 rebounds as a rookie in just 21 mpg.

He compares pretty favorably to Chriss with his tools.. and if we can get that at 23 that's pretty solid.. He's growing on me.

Chriss is 6'10 with shoes and a 7 foot wingspan with a 38.5 max vert. He doesn't have a crazy wingspan for his size ala guys like Draymond, but he's a shot blocking machine because he's such a fast leaper, and is extremely athletic.

Wilson is 6'10.5 with shoes with a 7'3 wingspan (no vert measured), and has a standing reach of 9'1 - and is already a bonafide shot blocker.

There's a lot to like here based on the measurements and what I'm seeing visually.

This guy already seems to be a better shooter than Chriss (huge difference in FT%). One guy went 8th, and Wilson is slated to go in the mid - late 20's.

As long as he's not injury prone I wouldn't be mad about this pick.

Chriss grabbed 4.2 boards, closer to 4 than "a little under 5" in 21 minutes. He averaged 5.4 in 24 minutes as an 18 year old in Washington. So he didn't show growth in the NBA. Wilson averaged 5.3 in 30 minutes as a 21 year old. So he's likely to be worse than Chriss in that area. Chriss was drafted 8th because we was 18 and scored 13.4/p, showing some potential as a scorer in the NBA. Wilson scored 11 points in his 30 minutes. These guys aren't the same calibre of prospect in terms of what NBA execs are banking on.

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I'm looking deeper into Dennis smith JR and man I'm telling you SUPERSTAR.


Better 3 point shooter than Fultz, Ball or fox

Gets to the line more than all of them combined.

Doesn't take 2 point jump shots.

Runs the Pick and roll better than any of the point guards.

All this coming off a 10 month layoff due to an ACL injury.

His defence can improve but he''ll be top 5 in steals every year. Great instincts

SUPERSTAR!

There was a guy on reddit who does draft analytics for some teams and he said Smith's pick and roll stats are pretty suspect and that might be a red flag on his decision making ability. I'm pretty high on him, but he does have a few question marks.

[OAKLEY_2]

I'm looking deeper into Dennis smith JR and man I'm telling you SUPERSTAR.


Better 3 point shooter than Fultz, Ball or fox

Gets to the line more than all of them combined.

Doesn't take 2 point jump shots.

Runs the Pick and roll better than any of the point guards.

All this coming off a 10 month layoff due to an ACL injury.

His defence can improve but he''ll be top 5 in steals every year. Great instincts

SUPERSTAR!

There was a guy on reddit who does draft analytics for some teams and he said Smith's pick and roll stats are pretty suspect and that might be a red flag on his decision making ability. I'm pretty high on him, but he does have a few question marks.

Givony's Tweet about this being a very crowded draft for big men has mine field written all over it. There is no imperative to bite on yet another imagined beast power forward just because there are so many bodies. A Pat departure doesn't mandate this either. If we are paying Ibaka 20+ mil he should be the stretch four or we should not reinvest. However these are the Raptors and he will likely split the 4-5 unless Casey screws up and over uses him out of ideal position. The five for Ibaka is not ideal because it likely means Jakob gets less floor time. Weltman in his Orlando presser said "we always have to develop our own players" and likened being less than competitive with failing to do so.