Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[Clay Davis]

just trying to figure out what year you all win turn on him. 50/50 it's next season.

Ha - you’re not wrong

I think the issue is Scottie is better suited as the glue of a great team. He’s the type of player who can do it all and hold a team together. He’s the type of player every coach loves. He’s not going to be a top scoring threat night in, night out. That’s why I’d love to see him paired with someone like Shaeden Sharpe.

No one is expecting Scottish to be a big-time scorer, though. Almost sure that has never been the thought process.

Great do-it-all type of player that will be a souped up glue guy on a great team.

I think he cannnnn... he has the tenacity and strength. Can he develop the skill???

[will]

Ha - you’re not wrong

I think the issue is Scottie is better suited as the glue of a great team. He’s the type of player who can do it all and hold a team together. He’s the type of player every coach loves. He’s not going to be a top scoring threat night in, night out. That’s why I’d love to see him paired with someone like Shaeden Sharpe.

No one is expecting Scottish to be a big-time scorer, though. Almost sure that has never been the thought process.

Great do-it-all type of player that will be a souped up glue guy on a great team.

I think he cannnnn... he has the tenacity and strength. Can he develop the skill???

With the current roster set up, I am not confident.

[ArthurVandelay]

Ha - you’re not wrong

I think the issue is Scottie is better suited as the glue of a great team. He’s the type of player who can do it all and hold a team together. He’s the type of player every coach loves. He’s not going to be a top scoring threat night in, night out. That’s why I’d love to see him paired with someone like Shaeden Sharpe.

No one is expecting Scottish to be a big-time scorer, though. Almost sure that has never been the thought process.

Great do-it-all type of player that will be a souped up glue guy on a great team.

I think he cannnnn... he has the tenacity and strength. Can he develop the skill???

I think he can score 20 a game.

Question I have is does he have the desire to be great…like really great. Will he put the work in? I hope so.

[ArthurVandelay]

just trying to figure out what year you all win turn on him. 50/50 it's next season.

Ha - you’re not wrong

I think the issue is Scottie is better suited as the glue of a great team. He’s the type of player who can do it all and hold a team together. He’s the type of player every coach loves. He’s not going to be a top scoring threat night in, night out. That’s why I’d love to see him paired with someone like Shaeden Sharpe.

No one is expecting Scottish to be a big-time scorer, though. Almost sure that has never been the thought process.

Great do-it-all type of player that will be a souped up glue guy on a great team.

If a guy is going to be an allstar, all NBA, or franchise player, he has to score pretty big.

Those are the expectations many Raptors fans have for Scottie after the ROY. It’s why the questions around him at start of the year when he was basically putting up less efficient numbers from last year.

I don’t think he’s that guy, as much as I love Scottie.

[will]

No one is expecting Scottish to be a big-time scorer, though. Almost sure that has never been the thought process.

Great do-it-all type of player that will be a souped up glue guy on a great team.

I think he cannnnn... he has the tenacity and strength. Can he develop the skill???

I think he can score 20 a game.

Question I have is does he have the desire to be great…like really great. Will he put the work in? I hope so.

I see Scottish topping out at best 18 PPG. Unselfish to a fault.

[Tripod]

It's as if people forget that Barnes was ALWAYS supposed to be a long term project. His shooting skills were and still are not close to being a finished product.

I think this offseason he needs to be told that he won't be playing any small ball C going forward so he needs to focus on speed more than bulk. And of course his shooting will always be something to work on.

But reality is, he is tied for 4th in FGA with OG so there are 3 guys who take more shots on a nightly basis. Some is self inflicted but some is just where he is in the options. And since adding Yak, in games where the pnr is used lots, someone loses shots and Barnes is ok being the one if it helps the team wins.

Also talking about Yak, that impacts rebounds for Barnes too. Having a real C to grab rebounds is great but it also takes away rebounds for others including Barnes.

Barnes since we got Yak: 3 games getting 9 rebounds....that's the most he has gotten.
Barnes pre-Yak: 17 games getting 9 rebounds or more....13 times double digits

So it's quite obvious adding Yak has impacted Barnes rebound numbers. But it's for the better of the team....and Barnes knows that.

My personal thinking is that Barnes, Yak and PS all are better in the same area and it often becomes an issue. Add on that when Fred or OG struggle to shoot, they try and get in deep for their shot making it more clogged....or they are then kicking it out to Barnes or PS who struggle from outside. So them driving often doesn't fix things, it makes things worse.

It's why we NEED Fed, OG and Gary to score from outside. When they don’t then it's just another guy looking to score inside making things more clogged. It's also why if PS was an outside shooter it would bring so much better balance to the team. As would if Fred/Gary/OG could consistently shoot from the outside.

[Dr Positivity]

Scott Barnes takes over the team in his 3rd year book it.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

I think he cannnnn... he has the tenacity and strength. Can he develop the skill???

I think he can score 20 a game.

Question I have is does he have the desire to be great…like really great. Will he put the work in? I hope so.

I see Scottish topping out at best 18 PPG. Unselfish to a fault.

He needs to be scoring more nevermind this passing crap. Someone has to tell him the best players in this league score the bucket not pass the ball. He can score well in the paint obviously the shooting has to improve. He's got a lot of work to do but he has a lot of upside especially if he gets his shooting and handle improved.

[will]

I think he can score 20 a game.

Question I have is does he have the desire to be great…like really great. Will he put the work in? I hope so.

I see Scottish topping out at best 18 PPG. Unselfish to a fault.

He needs to be scoring more nevermind this passing crap. Someone has to tell him the best players in this league score the bucket not pass the ball. He can score well in the paint obviously the shooting has to improve. He's got a lot of work to do but he has a lot of upside especially if he gets his shooting and handle improved.

He has the tools to be a scorer, however I believe his mentality is more on the playmaking side.

[Tacoma]

Scott Barnes takes over the team in his 3rd year book it.

On what basis? We expected a jump from his rookie season but it didn't happen. He won ROY but if there was an award for best 2nd year player, Scottie falls behind Mobley, Giddey and Wagner, so he's trending downwards relative to his draft class peers.

Will above said Barnes is 'unselfish to a fault.' That's not a compliment. Nurse said he needs Barnes to be more aggressive. Many times he gets the ball in decent position to shoot or drive, but he passes the ball away. That's not takeover mentality.

Of course he needs to work on his shooting but he has size and quickness to push & drive by defenders for layups. He's done it in flashes. So, more important than shooting, he needs to develop his mental game to become more of a takeover mentality.

Then there's been rumors that his work ethic needs to be better. I'm hoping this rumor is false because there's a lot he needs to work on before he can take over a team that desperately needs him to do so.

[TorontoBarneys]

Scottie will be hungry to improve this offseason as there's no real high coming from the end of the season this year like there was last year.

3rd year Scottie will be a beast.

[brownbobcat]

I see Scottish topping out at best 18 PPG. Unselfish to a fault.

He needs to be scoring more nevermind this passing crap. Someone has to tell him the best players in this league score the bucket not pass the ball. He can score well in the paint obviously the shooting has to improve. He's got a lot of work to do but he has a lot of upside especially if he gets his shooting and handle improved.

He has the tools to be a scorer, however I believe his mentality is more on the playmaking side.

I mean, he's lacking a lot of tools as well. Handle, jumper, footwork all need significant work. Vision and touch can only take him so far.

[goinrogue]

I don’t understand any why anyone is against rebuilding around Scottie Barnes. The Raptors have nothing to lose by rebuilding around him and everything to gain. The status quo is a total failure.

[Steelo Green]

Steelo Green wrote:
People are expecting way too much from Barnes out of the get go. He is a project player who will need 2-3 years before he makes a major impact.

[tdotrep2]

he needs room to grow tho, he's not gonna pull a fred and just jack up shots despite the rest of his team.

[vulture]

scottie is basically a role player who is mediocre on both ends of the floor. if he doesn't learn to shoot he will be the right handed thad young with his right hand hook shot.
People need to adjust their expectations because the reality is right in front of you.

[pingpongrac]

Steelo Green wrote:
People are expecting way too much from Barnes out of the get go. He is a project player who will need 2-3 years before he makes a major impact.

IIRC, most people expected Scottie to come off the bench in his rookie season and he blew away even the most optimistic projections on his way to ROTY as he played a pretty big role in his team to nearly reaching 50 wins too. Scottie had a bit of a down sophomore year, but he has already made a pretty big impact in ~160 games. 15/7/4/1/1 while playing 35 MPG and being a positive player for the majority of his career is a pretty damn good start.

And let's not forget while you said it would take 2-3 years for Scottie to make a big impact, you also repeatedly said Suggs will become a consistent all-star and he was the best guy available while Scottie is a role player who has a ~1% chance of reaching a star ceiling. Most of your takes on Scottie have been pretty far off the mark.

[Clay Davis]

I think he can score 20 a game.

Question I have is does he have the desire to be great…like really great. Will he put the work in? I hope so.

I see Scottish topping out at best 18 PPG. Unselfish to a fault.

He needs to be scoring more nevermind this passing crap. Someone has to tell him the best players in this league score the bucket not pass the ball. He can score well in the paint obviously the shooting has to improve. He's got a lot of work to do but he has a lot of upside especially if he gets his shooting and handle improved.

I think his mentality is always to make the best play. He's not the type to pass because he's afraid... if he passes he genuinely has a very good reason to. I really wish our guys were capable of making shots at at least a league average level, since I could imagine teams reacting to that and Scottie being more aggressive with his scoring as a result.

[Clay Davis]

Steelo Green wrote:
People are expecting way too much from Barnes out of the get go. He is a project player who will need 2-3 years before he makes a major impact.

IIRC, most people expected Scottie to come off the bench in his rookie season and he blew away even the most optimistic projections on his way to ROTY as he played a pretty big role in his team to nearly reaching 50 wins too. Scottie had a bit of a down sophomore year, but he has already made a pretty big impact in ~160 games. 15/7/4/1/1 while playing 35 MPG and being a positive player for the majority of his career is a pretty damn good start.

And let's not forget while you said it would take 2-3 years for Scottie to make a big impact, you also repeatedly said Suggs will become a consistent all-star and he was the best guy available while Scottie is a role player who has a ~1% chance of reaching a star ceiling. Most of your takes on Scottie have been pretty far off the mark.

He moves the goal post . Now he'll say that "making a major impact" means playing the same role as FVV or Pascal (despite him already being our best closer). Scottie has been pretty good in the play-off games he has played. There's really no measure by which Steelo doesn't take an L each time I post lol. There's also the fact that we all know he'd still be on sabbatical if we had won... gotta love these feast or famine fellas

[will]

scottie is basically a role player who is mediocre on both ends of the floor. if he doesn't learn to shoot he will be the right handed thad young with his right hand hook shot.
People need to adjust their expectations because the reality is right in front of you.