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The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1021 » by OakleyDokely » Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:21 pm

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Lockdown504090 wrote:What do we think the “prime dick” looks like? Rn he looks like Mario hezonja to me. What is the difference?


It's hard to say because Dick potentially has a lot to offer as an ancillary creator, rebounder, cutter, finisher around the rim that if he develops and leverages these skills, he could be more of a Gordon Haywood type than a straight shooter. Haywood started off mostly as an on ball creator who leveraged that into outside shooting, so Dick would be coming at it from the opposite direction, leveraging his shot into these other skills. But if these other skills don't come along, then he's more of a Cam Johnson, Kevin Huerter type.


i think duncan robinson should be a good inspiration for him. robinson was one-dimensional as a movement shooter and defensive liability. last season he was essentially out of the heat's rotation but this season he added a dribble-drive game, is fully back in the rotation and the heat actually run on-ball actions with him.

it'll take time (it's robinson's 6th season) but if gradey works on his body and his skills he could be more than just a shooter, which was obviously the hope when they drafted him.


Ya, Robinson's been a really good all-around player this year. He's at 3 assists per game now and he's become a valuable on ball creator.

It's hard to make comparisons because often Gradey is compared to players who spent years in college and came into the league at an advanced age when their bodies and skills were a lot more developed. Duncan Robinson came into the NBA at 24 years old after spending years in college. Dick left college after 1 year and just turned 20. He's still basically a piece of clay that needs to be molded into a NBA player. You see glimpses of skills, but he hasn't put any one thing together yet.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1022 » by ash_k » Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:53 pm

Clearly have to look at him more like a prime Gordon Hayward type over one-dimensional Duncan Robinson|Kyle Korver
He just has much more to his game than just elite shooting.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1023 » by Reeko » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:13 pm

Comparing Gradey to Duncan Robinson is about as lazy as it gets in terms of comparisons.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1024 » by mihaic » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:32 pm

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Once he continues to get stronger and quicker, and the game slows down for him, he's gotta work on his ball handling and learn to run a p and r

I think Darko eventually wants multiple creators with lots of action especially on the weak side and just create havoc for opposing teams

multiple ball handlers and shooters all over the floor.

The idea with prototype 6'9 was that we would get a bunch of great athletes and then train them to be basketball players. If there were 5 guys on the floor that could all handle, pass, and shoot the ball while working together defensively to funnel offenses it would have been the new break through. It sucks that we had so much invested in Achiuwa. I was personally invested in Achiuwa and OG but they didn't show any creation ability improvements during their time as Raptors.

The next step for Dick is to learn how to use a high pick against a drop big center and then pull up for open threes to stretch the floor for a guy like Scottie. We often see defenses recover too quickly on our 4 on 3 advantaged. The NBA is more athletic and longer than ever, this means they recover faster than expected. We need guys who can bury threes from the the logo on a regular basis.

I think he also needs to be comfortable to shoot the 3 over smaller guys. He is always dribbling when contested, sometimes he can just shoot. He should recognize who is on him, e.g. minuscule Tray.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1025 » by dagger » Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:53 pm

There is a thing called fit and I think Gradey's most intriguing possibilities for me is that he is potentially an excellent fit with Scottie in the type of game Darko is running where ball movement can lead to a lot easier buckets through cutting and open better perimeter looks. Team 6'8" included excellent talents like Pascal and not so excellent in Precious, but it really didn't fit well together, and led to a poor half-court offence. The early returns post-trades are that the younger core has the potential to develop a more creative half-court that is harder to defend because they move the ball well, and instinctively.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1026 » by tdotrep2 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:03 pm

Reeko wrote:Comparing Gradey to Duncan Robinson is about as lazy as it gets in terms of comparisons.

duncan is doing more than just shooting these past 2 seasons, he's taking the ball off the pin downs and getting to the rim. In terms of activity on defense/rebounding I will agree that grady has more in him there.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1027 » by Scase » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:13 pm

MainEvent wrote:Good to see him playing a lot better this month, keep giving him 20+ minutes

gotta stop doing his drive jump turn back oh **** searching for a pass mid air and I don't know what he was doing pump faking Trae closing in on him when he was alone under the basket :lol: That made me laugh but rookie things

Him leaving his feet for a pass is one of the worst things he does and it drives me nuts. Picking up your dribble is usually a bad idea, but jumping with no idea where to go, like damn man lol.

He panics too much, but hopefully he sorts that out with time and reps. Despite all the doom and gloom, I think he'll be serviceable, no idea if he'll reach the projected ceilings, but I'll be happy with a reliable 37% shooter that can put the ball on the floor a bit.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1028 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:17 pm

moving better, especially on defense. kyle korver has been giving him insight ever since SL
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1029 » by mademan » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:22 pm

Same thing i thought on draft day..if he can defend at a 'non-liability' level, he'll be a weapon. His shooting with size and movement off ball with his underrated finishing ability will make him a high impact starter as long as he's not a constant target.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1030 » by LarSiN » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:26 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:
Reeko wrote:Comparing Gradey to Duncan Robinson is about as lazy as it gets in terms of comparisons.

duncan is doing more than just shooting these past 2 seasons, he's taking the ball off the pin downs and getting to the rim. In terms of activity on defense/rebounding I will agree that grady has more in him there.


I hear you, although "two seasons" is a bit generous, but parts of last season sure. Just never really lived up to the contract, glad we didn't take him for Kyle
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1031 » by ash_k » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:28 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:
Reeko wrote:Comparing Gradey to Duncan Robinson is about as lazy as it gets in terms of comparisons.

duncan is doing more than just shooting these past 2 seasons, he's taking the ball off the pin downs and getting to the rim. In terms of activity on defense/rebounding I will agree that grady has more in him there.

Had he stayed one more year with the Jayhawks, he would probably be the number one pick this year.
Gradey is a different type of player, drop that Duncan Robinson comparison.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1032 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:30 pm

If Gradey somehow finishes those putback dunks that he's been teasing us with lately, everyone will lose their minds lol.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1033 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:39 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:If Gradey somehow finishes those putback dunks that he's been teasing us with lately, everyone will lose their minds lol.


Could you imagine if he hit that one last night to give us the lead late?

I think the angle made it seem closer than it was but still...
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1034 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:42 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:If Gradey somehow finishes those putback dunks that he's been teasing us with lately, everyone will lose their minds lol.


Could you imagine if he hit that one last night to give us the lead late?

I think the angle made it seem closer than it was but still...


The fact he's even attempting them shows he can do them. Let's just hope wish some added strength where he doesn't go flying with from a simple touch will change things. The potential is definitely there. Just needs to start with making open jumpers and the rest of his game will probably open up.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1035 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:43 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:If Gradey somehow finishes those putback dunks that he's been teasing us with lately, everyone will lose their minds lol.


Could you imagine if he hit that one last night to give us the lead late?

I think the angle made it seem closer than it was but still...


The fact he's even attempting them shows he can do them. Let's just hope wish some added strength where he doesn't go flying with from a simple touch will change things. The potential is definitely there. Just needs to start with making open jumpers and the rest of his game will probably open up.


His passing, his hustle, his movement off the ball... it's all the things that give me hope
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1036 » by brownbobcat » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:56 pm

ash_k wrote:Clearly have to look at him more like a prime Gordon Hayward type over one-dimensional Duncan Robinson|Kyle Korver
He just has much more to his game than just elite shooting.

Prime Hayward is a really big stretch. All rookies make mistakes, but there were a lot of extremely physically awkward plays last night that guys don't flub that badly when they have Hayward-level talent/athleticism. Hope he gets better and proves me wrong.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1037 » by ash_k » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:05 pm

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ash_k wrote:Clearly have to look at him more like a prime Gordon Hayward type over one-dimensional Duncan Robinson|Kyle Korver
He just has much more to his game than just elite shooting.

Prime Hayward is a really big stretch. All rookies make mistakes, but there were a lot of extremely physically awkward plays last night that guys don't flub that badly when they have Hayward-level talent/athleticism. Hope he gets better and proves me wrong.


Because of his early struggles, we are forgetting about the player we drafted. Gordon stayed 2 years and Gradey could have used another year as he would probably be top 3 pick this year. I would have drafted Hawkins just because of the style of shooting, not because of the "final product" if you will.

Again someone that can be on the list with such greats as the nation best high-school player just ~18 months ago must be special(either way you look at it)...

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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1038 » by TheGeneral99 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:08 pm

The dude can play...he just needs to hit 3s at an acceptable rate.
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Post#1039 » by brownbobcat » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:14 pm

ash_k wrote:
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ash_k wrote:Clearly have to look at him more like a prime Gordon Hayward type over one-dimensional Duncan Robinson|Kyle Korver
He just has much more to his game than just elite shooting.

Prime Hayward is a really big stretch. All rookies make mistakes, but there were a lot of extremely physically awkward plays last night that guys don't flub that badly when they have Hayward-level talent/athleticism. Hope he gets better and proves me wrong.


Because of his early struggles, we are forgetting about the player we drafted. Gordon stayed 2 years and Gradey could have used another year as he would probably be top 3 pick this year. I would have drafted Hawkins just because of the style of shooting, not because of the "final product" if you will.

Again someone that can be on the list with such greats as the nation best high-school player just ~18 months ago must be special(either way you look at it)...

2022 Gradey Dick
1996 Kobe
2002 LeBron
2011 Bradley Beal
2013 Andrew Wiggins
2014 Karl-Anthony Towns
2015 Ben Simmons
2016 Jayson Tatum
2017 Michael Porter Jr.
2021 Chet Holmgren

2022 is not 2024, though. A lot of those star were 1-and-done into the lotto. I don't think Gradey Dick had anywhere near the hype to be top-3 in the draft this year.
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Re: The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2 

Post#1040 » by Boardbreaker » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:43 pm

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MainEvent wrote:Good to see him playing a lot better this month, keep giving him 20+ minutes

gotta stop doing his drive jump turn back oh **** searching for a pass mid air and I don't know what he was doing pump faking Trae closing in on him when he was alone under the basket :lol: That made me laugh but rookie things

Him leaving his feet for a pass is one of the worst things he does and it drives me nuts. Picking up your dribble is usually a bad idea, but jumping with no idea where to go, like damn man lol.

He panics too much, but hopefully he sorts that out with time and reps. Despite all the doom and gloom, I think he'll be serviceable, no idea if he'll reach the projected ceilings, but I'll be happy with a reliable 37% shooter that can put the ball on the floor a bit.

IQ seems to have a habit of doing these jump passes as well. Hope that gets pointed out and corrected.

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