Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[TGM]

Now with BI, I kind of feel our most optimal line-up is:

IQ
Ochai
BI
Barnes
Jakob

[Johnny Bball]

There's a good part of this fanbase that has zero risk tolerance and couldn't make daily decisions if they had to. You should know roughly what a pick is worth, you should be able to put it in a certain category and you should be able to make a decision and live with it, instead of pontificating forever and suffering paralysis by analysis with .... "but but but we don't know what could it have been?".

[Jerry Lucas]

https://www.salaryswish.com/trades/players/brandon-ingram

Not sure if this was reported anywhere else, but according to SalarySwish the 2nd the Raptors are giving up in this deal is their 2031 SRP.

[Psubs]

There's a good part of this fanbase that has zero risk tolerance and couldn't make daily decisions if they had to. You should know roughly what a pick is worth, you should be able to put it in a certain category and you should be able to make a decision and live with it, instead of pontificating forever and suffering paralysis by analysis with .... "but but but we don't know what could it have been?".

Poeltl could be Zach Edey right now.

[Duffman100]

There's a good part of this fanbase that has zero risk tolerance and couldn't make daily decisions if they had to. You should know roughly what a pick is worth, you should be able to put it in a certain category and you should be able to make a decision and live with it, instead of pontificating forever and suffering paralysis by analysis with .... "but but but we don't know what could it have been?".

Poeltl could be Zach Edey right now.

True, we could have the next Shaq.

[arbsn]

I like adding Ingram, but absolutely despise trading the pick. We need more young assets. Who's to say Haliburton doesn't get injured (again) and the Pacers pick falls between 5-14? It is possible we traded ANOTHER lottery pick for a win now player when we aren't ready to win now.

If we look at the most exciting young teams in the NBA, they built out their core through the draft, they didn't trade picks to be middling teams. Sure OKC got SGA for PG but the only reason they had PG was because they traded great draft picks/blue chippers Victor Oladipo & Sabonis for him.

- OKC (Jdub, Chet, Dort, etc)
- ORL (Paolo, Franz, Suggs, etc)
- HOU (Sengun, Thompson, Green, Tari, etc)
- Spurs (Wemby, Vassell, Castle, etc)
- Cavs (Mobley, Garland)

[tundraknight]

The “Long Boys” are back!

The Raptors now have more length to add to Dick, RJ, Barnes, etc. with the addition of Ingram.

[Lateral Quicks]

This is a signal that Masai doesn't want to tank next year.

Tank hard the remainder of this year, and then start next year with Ingram and hopefully a top 5 pick added to the roster. That should be enough for a middle seed next year.

I think that's a wise approach. We've seen all kinds of teams get stuck in 10 years of tanking before.

I'm not a fan of Ingram, but he will make this better. And he can always be moved down the road.

[Johnny Bball]

There's a good part of this fanbase that has zero risk tolerance and couldn't make daily decisions if they had to. You should know roughly what a pick is worth, you should be able to put it in a certain category and you should be able to make a decision and live with it, instead of pontificating forever and suffering paralysis by analysis with .... "but but but we don't know what could it have been?".

Poeltl could be Zach Edey right now.

I am very unclear how that makes you, or anyone, so sad.

[bape_lovers]

I'm happy with Jakobe

There's a good part of this fanbase that has zero risk tolerance and couldn't make daily decisions if they had to. You should know roughly what a pick is worth, you should be able to put it in a certain category and you should be able to make a decision and live with it, instead of pontificating forever and suffering paralysis by analysis with .... "but but but we don't know what could it have been?".

Poeltl could be Zach Edey right now.

[StopitLeo]

This is a signal that Masai doesn't want to tank next year.

Tank hard the remainder of this year, and then start next year with Ingram and hopefully a top 5 pick added to the roster. That should be enough for a middle seed next year.

I think that's a wise approach. We've seen all kinds of teams get stuck in 10 years of tanking before.

I'm not a fan of Ingram, but he will make this better. And he can always be moved down the road.

I agree with your take. The fact we got IQ and RJ in the OG trade (vs picks & prospects) allows the team to move faster in the rebuild with guys like Grady and Ochai showing they can be legit rotation players. Even Ja'Kobe looks better than many probably expected, as does Shead.

Success in the league is about your top end talent and Ingram definitely represents an increase for the Raptors. To increase talent level prior to this trade we were basically relying on tanking, getting lucky in the lottery, and whomever we pick becoming an elite player. That's still the case but we will also have Ingram on the roster.

[Ell Curry]

Pros:
-Ingram's terrible shot diet might be fixable. Betting against Willie Green and the Pels medical stuff (their bosses are out there doing True Detective Season 1 stuff, probably not a cutting edge organization medically) makes sense.

Cons:
-Paying Ingram will be annoying. Probably means we need to trade RJ, which I'm good with, but teams knowing that might hurt our leverage in dealing him.

-What if Ingram's shot diet is because he's scared to go to the rim because of injuries or just a lack of explosion because of the injuries, and not being a great catch and shoot 3pt guy?

-Feels like maybe our biggest problem is that we're 29th in 3pt attempts. Quickley will help that, but Ingram for Brown + Boucher is a wash (Boucher is one of our 3 high volume shooters along with Quickley and Dick) and maybe the Pacers pick coulda helped with that, via the pick or a different trade.

-Opportunity cost, feels like we coulda just traded Boucher and a 2nd for Nurkic and the Suns first they just moved to Charlotte. Maybe we could have then packaged Pacers 2026 (say 20th) + MEM 2026 (say 26th) and move up in the draft, likely adding a passable 3rd asset, but that can get you to about 15th or so normally at least.

Known Unknowns:
-Were we worried about Barnes asking out in a year or 2 if we suck?
-Is the 2026 draft strong outside the top 4 (Pacers protection). Would be annoying if it it's strong, the Pacers stumble a bit, lose in the play-in and we lose a pick around 13 or so.
-What is RJ's trade market?

[djsunyc]

Watch on YouTube

[MiamiSPX]

Not much surprises me with sports fandom, but I am genuinely shocked at those that think this move was in any way made to compete this season.

[niQ]

Is Vision 6'9 back?

Did we get rich man's Caboclo?

[TorontoBarneys]

This is a signal that Masai doesn't want to tank next year.

Tank hard the remainder of this year, and then start next year with Ingram and hopefully a top 5 pick added to the roster. That should be enough for a middle seed next year.

I think that's a wise approach. We've seen all kinds of teams get stuck in 10 years of tanking before.

I'm not a fan of Ingram, but he will make this better. And he can always be moved down the road.

I agree, we could be pretty decent as early as next year so long as we actually hit on our pick this year and do not self-sabotage ourselves by playing ourselves out of the bottom 6.

[WuTang_CMB]

Grange - with great confidence you'll see a lot of young players will play down the stretch (JKW, Mogbo, Shead etc) aka what we knew. .. no play in push

[SFour]

There's a good part of this fanbase that has zero risk tolerance and couldn't make daily decisions if they had to. You should know roughly what a pick is worth, you should be able to put it in a certain category and you should be able to make a decision and live with it, instead of pontificating forever and suffering paralysis by analysis with .... "but but but we don't know what could it have been?".

if realgm ran the Raptors we would've traded Siakam for AJ Griffin

[AHCanada]

This is a signal that Masai doesn't want to tank next year.

Tank hard the remainder of this year, and then start next year with Ingram and hopefully a top 5 pick added to the roster. That should be enough for a middle seed next year.

I think that's a wise approach. We've seen all kinds of teams get stuck in 10 years of tanking before.

I'm not a fan of Ingram, but he will make this better. And he can always be moved down the road.

Agreed on all points. Definitely moving the raps in the right direction.

[SFour]

Not much surprises me with sports fandom, but I am genuinely shocked at those that think this move was in any way made to compete this season.

alot of people thought that they were giving up the 2025 FRP instead of the Pacers pick....it should be common sense that the 2025 pick was off the table.