Windhorst: Raptors making noise around the league looking for a “big fish” // Giannis & Toronto "Mutual Interest"/KD too

[Clutch0z24]

What teams can offer and what teams will offer are two separate questions.

Ill leave it at this because you seem a lil delusional on this but this is Giannis we are talking about an all time great....Not some Gobert level player....This guy walks into your door and makes you a title contender day 1....Teams like the Spurs/Rockets can give up lots of young guys + picks and still have a pretty great team even after giving up all them draft picks/young players....If you are the Raptors and say hey take Barnes/9th/Dick and 2 FRPs or find another offer.....I will bet lots of money they can find a better offer than that....Or they just go get a better player package....Whats stopping Bucks from getting a Bridges/OG or a Brown/White/Pritchard or a Mitchell/Hunter type packages? Instead of the offers the teams with the young players + Picks packages if they are unwilling to add one or the other?....

Do you seriously think them teams would reject an offer for Giannis if they went to the Knicks and asked for OG/Bridges or Mitchell/Hunter? ...If so idk what to say...Because they would not reject it....I think you are badly under rating Giannis value to any team trading for him and what the Bucks GM will get offered for him...

You keep making these Gobert comparisons but none of the deals proposed here are the equivalent to that. Gobert didn't bring back top prospects and top draft picks. He was traded for a bunch of mostly mid to late 1sts.

If Giannis demands out, the Bucks aren't in the driver's seat here. The reason players like him are rarely traded is because you can never get back fair value for someone of his level.

I keep bringing it up because Gobert and any player traded that got just pick package heavy trades are not a sniff close to how valuable Giannis is....And YOU are trying to claim Giannis will be worth the same as these kinda players which is a lil delusional...

Ofc they won't get the same Value this is an all time great but doesn't mean they have to accept a garbage deal either...

And if the Spurs offer lots of young players + #2/#14th pick whats your counter offer to that? Or Cavs offer Mitchell? Whats your counter offer?....Because you are also assuming teams won't offer good packages for a Hofer in his 30s who brings championship pedagree day 1...Ofc teams are going to offer up stuff...Rockets also have the 10th pick, Suns picks + Sengun/Green which is just as good as whatever we have to offer....

[OakleyDokely]

Ill leave it at this because you seem a lil delusional on this but this is Giannis we are talking about an all time great....Not some Gobert level player....This guy walks into your door and makes you a title contender day 1....Teams like the Spurs/Rockets can give up lots of young guys + picks and still have a pretty great team even after giving up all them draft picks/young players....If you are the Raptors and say hey take Barnes/9th/Dick and 2 FRPs or find another offer.....I will bet lots of money they can find a better offer than that....Or they just go get a better player package....Whats stopping Bucks from getting a Bridges/OG or a Brown/White/Pritchard or a Mitchell/Hunter type packages? Instead of the offers the teams with the young players + Picks packages if they are unwilling to add one or the other?....

Do you seriously think them teams would reject an offer for Giannis if they went to the Knicks and asked for OG/Bridges or Mitchell/Hunter? ...If so idk what to say...Because they would not reject it....I think you are badly under rating Giannis value to any team trading for him and what the Bucks GM will get offered for him...

You keep making these Gobert comparisons but none of the deals proposed here are the equivalent to that. Gobert didn't bring back top prospects and top draft picks. He was traded for a bunch of mostly mid to late 1sts.

If Giannis demands out, the Bucks aren't in the driver's seat here. The reason players like him are rarely traded is because you can never get back fair value for someone of his level.

I keep bringing it up because Gobert and any player traded that got just pick package heavy trades are not a sniff close to how valuable Giannis is....And YOU are trying to claim Giannis will be worth the same as these kinda player which is a lil delusional...

And if the Spurs offer lots of young players + #2/#14th pick whats your counter offer to that? Or Cavs offer Mitchell? Whats your counter offer?....Because you are also assuming teams won't offer good packages for a Hofer in his 30s who brings championship pedagree day 1...Ofc teams are going to offer up stuff...Rockets also have the 10th pick, Suns picks + Sengun/Green which is just as good as whatever we have to offer....

I said Giannis is worth what Gobert got?

Id I like to see that post.

Just offering Barnes is worth more than all the mostly garbage picks Utah got.

[MoneyBall]

I don't understand why people are even arguing against this. It's a terrible idea to have Poeltl clog the paint with Giannis on the court. I'd literally rather have Olynyk lol.

It’s pretty much just Shakril. If you know their history you know they’re going down with the Poeltl ship no matter how much replacing him might benefit the team.

First, i NEVER said you cant replace him. The argument was, that Giannis and Poeltl cant play together, which is false.
Second, i was proven right about Poeltl all year long. At some point, you guys need to put your head out of your behind and stop underrating or overrating your own players. Its always one of the extremes, which is a sad state of affair, when you think about it.

The hate on this Board for Poeltl is really weird.

I love Poeltl. I've always liked his game. That's not what's being argued here. If we trade Scottie for Giannis, we absolutely have to give Giannis the best roster around him to succeed in winning a Championship. The thought that Poeltl is the guy we would chose as his main frontcourt sidekick is absurd. HE CAN'T SHOOT! Not from three, or even midrange. He's not a threat to drive, nor is his passing good enougj to make up for those glaring shortfalls offensively. Teams would constantly cheat off of Poeltl to pressure Giannis. It's a terrible long term fit.

[Clutch0z24]

You keep making these Gobert comparisons but none of the deals proposed here are the equivalent to that. Gobert didn't bring back top prospects and top draft picks. He was traded for a bunch of mostly mid to late 1sts.

If Giannis demands out, the Bucks aren't in the driver's seat here. The reason players like him are rarely traded is because you can never get back fair value for someone of his level.

I keep bringing it up because Gobert and any player traded that got just pick package heavy trades are not a sniff close to how valuable Giannis is....And YOU are trying to claim Giannis will be worth the same as these kinda player which is a lil delusional...

And if the Spurs offer lots of young players + #2/#14th pick whats your counter offer to that? Or Cavs offer Mitchell? Whats your counter offer?....Because you are also assuming teams won't offer good packages for a Hofer in his 30s who brings championship pedagree day 1...Ofc teams are going to offer up stuff...Rockets also have the 10th pick, Suns picks + Sengun/Green which is just as good as whatever we have to offer....

I said Giannis is worth what Gobert got?

Id I like to see that post.

Just offering Barnes is worth more than all the mostly garbage picks Utah got.

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

[Clutch0z24]

Poeltl + Barrett for...

Trae Young?

There was a report that Hawks are going for Durant....Which means they might be trying to compete in the weak east and hold onto Young and make trades like we are...

[OakleyDokely]

I keep bringing it up because Gobert and any player traded that got just pick package heavy trades are not a sniff close to how valuable Giannis is....And YOU are trying to claim Giannis will be worth the same as these kinda player which is a lil delusional...

And if the Spurs offer lots of young players + #2/#14th pick whats your counter offer to that? Or Cavs offer Mitchell? Whats your counter offer?....Because you are also assuming teams won't offer good packages for a Hofer in his 30s who brings championship pedagree day 1...Ofc teams are going to offer up stuff...Rockets also have the 10th pick, Suns picks + Sengun/Green which is just as good as whatever we have to offer....

I said Giannis is worth what Gobert got?

Id I like to see that post.

Just offering Barnes is worth more than all the mostly garbage picks Utah got.

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

Yes, the Raptors would need to add more than Barnes, we already established this like 50 pages ago.

[Clutch0z24]

I said Giannis is worth what Gobert got?

Id I like to see that post.

Just offering Barnes is worth more than all the mostly garbage picks Utah got.

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

Yes, the Raptors would need to add more than Barnes, we already established this like 50 pages ago.

Exactly good job and this is where the bidding war starts....And this is how Bucks get the best possible package they can get....You say i have Barnes on the table...Bucks Gm calls you up and says "Well i have Sengun, Harper/Castle + Celtics are offering Brown + White and so on and then they say "Can you do better" And it keeps going like this with every team till they end up with a big package....

If you don't think Bucks will do this the smart way and get a haul and if you don't think a team will continue to offer up their best for one of the all time greats (Again no player this talented has been traded in a bidding war before) ...Then idk what to tell ya but ill leave it here since its just going back n forth...Have a good one

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

Yes, the Raptors would need to add more than Barnes, we already established this like 50 pages ago.

Exactly good job and this is where the bidding war starts....And this is how Bucks get the best possible package they can get....You say i have Barnes on the table...Bucks Gm calls you up and says "Well i have Sengun, Harper/Castle + Celtics are offering Brown + White and so on and then they say "Can you do better" And it keeps going like this with every team till they end up with a big package....

If you don't think Bucks will do this the smart way and get a haul and if you don't think a team will continue to offer up their best for one of the all time greats (Again no player this talented has been traded in a bidding war before) ...Then idk what to tell ya but ill leave it here since its just going back n forth...Have a good one

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

[ForeverTFC]

I keep bringing it up because Gobert and any player traded that got just pick package heavy trades are not a sniff close to how valuable Giannis is....And YOU are trying to claim Giannis will be worth the same as these kinda player which is a lil delusional...

And if the Spurs offer lots of young players + #2/#14th pick whats your counter offer to that? Or Cavs offer Mitchell? Whats your counter offer?....Because you are also assuming teams won't offer good packages for a Hofer in his 30s who brings championship pedagree day 1...Ofc teams are going to offer up stuff...Rockets also have the 10th pick, Suns picks + Sengun/Green which is just as good as whatever we have to offer....

I said Giannis is worth what Gobert got?

Id I like to see that post.

Just offering Barnes is worth more than all the mostly garbage picks Utah got.

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

The only package I think you are over-rating is Bridges/OG, mainly because Milwaukee won't have much use for them and would need to flip them. And I agree with you on Sengun. Otherwise, all the other packages are better than Barnes. With Harper, you can at least delude yourself into thinking you might have your offensive focal point. Chet has more value than Scottie and JDub has a higher allure of potential first option.

Fortunately for us, OKC won't be in it. Cavs won't trade Mitchell (it would be Garland which is a lot closer + they don't have much pick capital), I highly doubt the Knicks offer Bridges+OG (Giannis + Brunson + Kat with no assets left is way too hard to build around). And Celtics can't aggregate salaries and it would be near impossible for them to get a trade done. The real viable packages that you've highlighted are the Spurs and Rockets. Maybe the Knicks say screw it, we'll figure it out (but they don't really have much pick capital).

So I agree with you that Giannis is worth a ton. But the viable options are actually more limited than many think. Milwaukee can always decide not to trade him, but if Giannis forces their hand...

[Clutch0z24]

Yes, the Raptors would need to add more than Barnes, we already established this like 50 pages ago.

Exactly good job and this is where the bidding war starts....And this is how Bucks get the best possible package they can get....You say i have Barnes on the table...Bucks Gm calls you up and says "Well i have Sengun, Harper/Castle + Celtics are offering Brown + White and so on and then they say "Can you do better" And it keeps going like this with every team till they end up with a big package....

If you don't think Bucks will do this the smart way and get a haul and if you don't think a team will continue to offer up their best for one of the all time greats (Again no player this talented has been traded in a bidding war before) ...Then idk what to tell ya but ill leave it here since its just going back n forth...Have a good one

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

[Potential]

Found this pic on Twitter. I think Giannis in front of Tim Hortons and already wearing Raptors gear could be a positive sign for us

[Clutch0z24]

I said Giannis is worth what Gobert got?

Id I like to see that post.

Just offering Barnes is worth more than all the mostly garbage picks Utah got.

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

The only package I think you are over-rating is Bridges/OG, mainly because Milwaukee won't have much use for them and would need to flip them. And I agree with you on Sengun. Otherwise, all the other packages are better than Barnes. With Harper, you can at least delude yourself into thinking you might have your offensive focal point. Chet has more value than Scottie and JDub has a higher allure of potential first option.

Fortunately for us, OKC won't be in it. Cavs won't trade Mitchell (it would be Garland which is a lot closer + they don't have much pick capital), I highly doubt the Knicks offer Bridges+OG (Giannis + Brunson + Kat with no assets left is way too hard to build around). And Celtics can't aggregate salaries and it would be near impossible for them to get a trade done. The real viable packages that you've highlighted are the Spurs and Rockets. Maybe the Knicks say screw it, we'll figure it out (but they don't really have much pick capital).

So I agree with you that Giannis is worth a ton. But the viable options are actually more limited than many think. Milwaukee can always decide not to trade him, but if Giannis forces their hand...

Cavs trade Mitchell for Giannis thats a Huge upgrade and if you can pair Giannis with Mobley that would be like us teaming Giannis with a better fit Barnes.....All these teams if Giannis is being offered to you for a player package every team takes that deal because no player(s) will be better than Giannis....

Again Giannis is one of the best in the league....Any player being offered will always be worth it for the team getting Giannis....Thats why like i said teams with promising young players + Draft picks are appealing because they have Both...If you are unwilling to trade both picks + the prospects Bucks will just do the smarter thing and go get the best player they can which could be a Mitchell/OG-Bridges/Brown-White type of players...

a team would be dumb to reject an offer for Giannis for any other all star in the league outside of Shai/Jokic...

[canada_dry]

Exactly good job and this is where the bidding war starts....And this is how Bucks get the best possible package they can get....You say i have Barnes on the table...Bucks Gm calls you up and says "Well i have Sengun, Harper/Castle + Celtics are offering Brown + White and so on and then they say "Can you do better" And it keeps going like this with every team till they end up with a big package....

If you don't think Bucks will do this the smart way and get a haul and if you don't think a team will continue to offer up their best for one of the all time greats (Again no player this talented has been traded in a bidding war before) ...Then idk what to tell ya but ill leave it here since its just going back n forth...Have a good one

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

Every summer you do this same song and dance. You try to convince anyone that wohld listen that Toronto doesn't have the assets. Not for kd. Not for dame the next summer.

Yet im sure we all remember shams REPORTED dame to Toronto before deleting it last second. The reason being it was DAME that chose the Bucks over Toronto at the last moment. You were very wrong about us not having the assets for him back then too.

You simply never know how things turn out. Lets stop pretending we do.

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[OakleyDokely]

Exactly good job and this is where the bidding war starts....And this is how Bucks get the best possible package they can get....You say i have Barnes on the table...Bucks Gm calls you up and says "Well i have Sengun, Harper/Castle + Celtics are offering Brown + White and so on and then they say "Can you do better" And it keeps going like this with every team till they end up with a big package....

If you don't think Bucks will do this the smart way and get a haul and if you don't think a team will continue to offer up their best for one of the all time greats (Again no player this talented has been traded in a bidding war before) ...Then idk what to tell ya but ill leave it here since its just going back n forth...Have a good one

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

I'm not assuming anything. I'm not sure if Giannis will have one specific team in mind or 5.

You're assuming Giannis is willing to play everywhere, and every team is willing to give up all their top young guys, all their top picks, and all their future assets for him.

[Clutch0z24]

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

Every summer you do this same song and dance. You try to convince anyone that wohld listen that Toronto doesn't have the assets. Not for kd. Not for dame the next summer.

Yet im sure we all remember shams REPORTED dame to Toronto before deleting it last second. The reason being it was DAME that chose the Bucks over Toronto at the last moment. You were very wrong about us not having the assets for him back then too.

You simply never know how things turn out. Lets stop pretending we do.

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I never commented on the Dame trade much because i never thought he was a viable option for us....As for KD....Yes i was pointing out how foolish it was when people were thinking we were going to get him for OG/GTJr and a couple picks....Which yes it is and was foolish....I was just speaking the truth in that scenario....I always thought KD wanted Suns and i always thought Bridges+Cam + Picks would be the better offer which i was right at the end of the day....

Its not about the assets we have its what alot of delusional Raptors homers think we can trade off for said player that i point out...We had the assets to get KD if we gave up Barnes (Which was the only player Nets wanted from us) And posters were convinced Nets wanted OG/GTJR because that would be the best offer they could get for KD....Which was untrue just like its untrue that we can fleece Bucks for Giannis...

And i NEVER said we do not have a good enough package to get Giannis....I am saying just like with the delusional people that thought OG/GTJR was enough for KD that Barnes + Dick + 9th will prolly not get a deal done you will more than likely need to add at least 3 extra FRPs to that to even have a chance and who knows if that is even enough if Rockets/Spurs put out their best offers as Bucks may like them offers more....

[Tripod]

3-5 who cares. You do the deal.

Also this board is funny

Masai >>>>>> Horst

Masai wouldn't be done adding to this. I can't keep saying it. This is a Masai/Giannis marriage and more moves would be forthcoming. Both guys want to win.

Crazy how people forget 3/5 of our starters on the Chip team were added that year and Serge at the previous deadline.

BI was our Serge trade(deadline deal the previous year).

We nabbed Ibaka in February 2017.

Oh shoot, you are right. My bad.

[Tripod]

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

Every summer you do this same song and dance. You try to convince anyone that wohld listen that Toronto doesn't have the assets. Not for kd. Not for dame the next summer.

Yet im sure we all remember shams REPORTED dame to Toronto before deleting it last second. The reason being it was DAME that chose the Bucks over Toronto at the last moment. You were very wrong about us not having the assets for him back then too.

You simply never know how things turn out. Lets stop pretending we do.

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I never commented on the Dame trade much because i never thought he was a viable option for us....As for KD....Yes i was pointing out how foolish it was when people were thinking we were going to get him for OG/GTJr and a couple picks....Which yes it is and was foolish....I was just speaking the truth in that scenario....I always thought KD wanted Suns and i always thought Bridges+Cam + Picks would be the better offer which i was right at the end of the day...

And i NEVER said we do not have a good enough package to get Giannis....I am saying just like with the delusional people that thought OG/GTJR was enough for KD that Barnes + Dick + 9th will prolly not get a deal done you will more than likely need to add at least 3 extra FRPs to that to even have a chance and who knows if that is even enough if Rockets/Spurs put out their best offers as Bucks may like them offers more....

If Giannis tells the Bucks he wants to go to the Raps, they will very likely honor his wishes given everything he did for them. Like we did with Lowry.

[Clutch0z24]

Giannis will have major input into his next team so no, I don't see a multi team bidding war unless Giannis has multiple teams on his list.

So you are assuming he picks Toronto and only Toronto...Gotcha....Also hes not a free agent next year...He has 2 years and than a PO....Sure if Bucks want to do him the solid and trade him to the spot he wants sure...But they do not have to oblige to that considering teams like the Celtics/Cavs/Knicks types will be fine having Giannis for 2 years to compete in the weak east....So much would have to transpire for it to go the way your thinking it will go down....Which is a little far fetched....Giannis most likey will have multiple destinations and if the team that he demands to go too does not play ball with them they just ignore Giannis demands....Bucks have some control in this situation....

I'm not assuming anything. I'm not sure if Giannis will have one specific team in mind or 5.

You're assuming Giannis is willing to play everywhere, and every team is willing to give up all their top young guys, all their top picks, and all their future assets for him.

Question ....Would you personally like to have Barnes/Dick/9th pick (Could be a good player maybe not its a gamble)/Ochai And maybe 1 or 2 heavy protected FRPs that prolly are in the 20s or would you rather have OG/Bridges or one of OG-Bridges/KAT.....

You could eventually flip them for a boat load of assets as well....Me personally im taking the Knicks package the only advantage we would have in that deal is we have picks to add while Knicks don't have picks to add....If you understand this thinking you will understand why we prolly need to add picks as well to our package...

And don't say Knicks will not offer up them players or Giannis will refuse New York...

[Clutch0z24]

Every summer you do this same song and dance. You try to convince anyone that wohld listen that Toronto doesn't have the assets. Not for kd. Not for dame the next summer.

Yet im sure we all remember shams REPORTED dame to Toronto before deleting it last second. The reason being it was DAME that chose the Bucks over Toronto at the last moment. You were very wrong about us not having the assets for him back then too.

You simply never know how things turn out. Lets stop pretending we do.

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I never commented on the Dame trade much because i never thought he was a viable option for us....As for KD....Yes i was pointing out how foolish it was when people were thinking we were going to get him for OG/GTJr and a couple picks....Which yes it is and was foolish....I was just speaking the truth in that scenario....I always thought KD wanted Suns and i always thought Bridges+Cam + Picks would be the better offer which i was right at the end of the day...

And i NEVER said we do not have a good enough package to get Giannis....I am saying just like with the delusional people that thought OG/GTJR was enough for KD that Barnes + Dick + 9th will prolly not get a deal done you will more than likely need to add at least 3 extra FRPs to that to even have a chance and who knows if that is even enough if Rockets/Spurs put out their best offers as Bucks may like them offers more....

If Giannis tells the Bucks he wants to go to the Raps, they will very likely honor his wishes given everything he did for them. Like we did with Lowry.

Could be possible but i still think we have to give up alot in that scenario....Just like when a 35 year old Durant made it known he wanted Suns ....The Suns still had to give up their 2 best young players in Bridges/Cam + 4 FRPs ....Which they added 5 more FRP with Bridges...So in total Durant got Nets 9 FRPs and Cam Johnson...

Raptors will still need to come correct...This is not some over the hill 35 year old its a MVP/FMVP all time great still in his prime years.

[ForeverTFC]

Barnes vs Sengun is a wash, Barnes vs Harper + Castle is a wash, If OKC jump in Chet or Jdub vs Barnes is a wash, Mitchell > Barnes, Bridges/OG > Barnes, Brown/White > Barnes....This is why teams will have to add more than just the player because there are better players on the table than Barnes...Unless you are over rating Barnes which is fine...But its not reality...

The only package I think you are over-rating is Bridges/OG, mainly because Milwaukee won't have much use for them and would need to flip them. And I agree with you on Sengun. Otherwise, all the other packages are better than Barnes. With Harper, you can at least delude yourself into thinking you might have your offensive focal point. Chet has more value than Scottie and JDub has a higher allure of potential first option.

Fortunately for us, OKC won't be in it. Cavs won't trade Mitchell (it would be Garland which is a lot closer + they don't have much pick capital), I highly doubt the Knicks offer Bridges+OG (Giannis + Brunson + Kat with no assets left is way too hard to build around). And Celtics can't aggregate salaries and it would be near impossible for them to get a trade done. The real viable packages that you've highlighted are the Spurs and Rockets. Maybe the Knicks say screw it, we'll figure it out (but they don't really have much pick capital).

So I agree with you that Giannis is worth a ton. But the viable options are actually more limited than many think. Milwaukee can always decide not to trade him, but if Giannis forces their hand...

Cavs trade Mitchell for Giannis thats a Huge upgrade and if you can pair Giannis with Mobley that would be like us teaming Giannis with a better fit Barnes.....All these teams if Giannis is being offered to you for a player package every team takes that deal because no player(s) will be better than Giannis....

Again Giannis is one of the best in the league....Any player being offered will always be worth it for the team getting Giannis....Thats why like i said teams with promising young players + Draft picks are appealing because they have Both...If you are unwilling to trade both picks + the prospects Bucks will just do the smarter thing and go get the best player they can which could be a Mitchell/OG-Bridges/Brown-White type of players...

a team would be dumb to reject an offer for Giannis for any other all star in the league outside of Shai/Jokic...

Sorry, I should have explained better. Your intuition is correct, but you're missing cap implications and current CBA rules.

Cavs are a 2nd apron team next year I believe so would need to try and do the deal this year. However, even doing it this year (e.g. during the draft), the outcome can't put them in the 2nd apron and they would need to match the salary 100% which isn't possible. So they would need to first shed salary elsewhere before making the trade. That means they'll have to give up a bunch of depth without taking much - if any - salary back. This is already pretty difficult to pull off, but assuming they do, they would be too bare to then give up their best player as well. That's why I said, at best, it's Garland.

Boston and NY face similar hurdles and the packages you highlighted don't work under the current CBA. There aren't that many teams that would feasibly be good enough AND are able to trade for him under the current CBA with the limits it puts on salaries changing hands and aggregating players above the 2nd apron.