With the 9th Pick, the Raptors select Collin Murray-Boyles!

[Boogie!]

Idk if this makes sense to anyone but there’s something about cmbs build that looks odd. It’s like a short ed Davis.

[ConSarnit]

-I thought Chomche was beginning to come around when he got hurt, and his injury seemed like just enough to sideline him but not serious enough to affect his career. By March, the 905 were clearly a better team when he was on the court. We even saw a three pointer. I'm not done with him. He's still just 19 until December, and if the management group likes how he progressed, it may we have influenced their view of Maluach, who would have been a long-term project as well but at a much, much higher risk and financial exposure.

0% chance Chomche was even considered when making this pick.

Y'all gotta chill on a 59th pick. You guys think we passed on Malauch cause of Chomche but didn't consider Barnes with CMB?

I don’t think they watched Chomche when he played with the big club. He was one of the most lost players I’ve ever seen. He had zero idea where to be on the floor. He needs another full G-league year at minimum. And that’s to reach adequate backup level C.

[ontnut]

I get what you are both saying, and the logic is sound, but it's the multiple cases of drafting, signing, trading for athletic guys who can't shoot worth a damn and thinking we can fix that. I'm fine with drafting a guy at 9th that has obvious shortcomings, but can we get more of the guys who can actually shoot and work on the other stuff? Gradey was a good start, lets keep that up.

And Gradey has been a net-negative since joining the the team. I liked going after an offense focused player - but both sides can bite you.

And honestly trying to teach bad defenders defence works way less of the time.

We never were gonna get a guaranteed 2-way guy at 9. You gotta take someone good at one or the other and develop.

This is so true and overlooked. OG and Siakam both are examples of this. They had the motor and defensive skills to start and both were a bit raw offensively. Offense developed and they became all-NBA (all-NBA defence for OG) type guys. Then you have guys like Dick, or high pick guys like Bagley/Beasley/Ayton etc who were offensive powers and just never developed that defensive skill/BBIQ needed to stay on the floor.

Of course, you also have pure defense guys like Biyombo who never developed enough of an O game to stay on the floor - but for all his flaws, Biyombo still carved out a 14 year NBA career. Bagley is 25 and it looks like his NBA career is almost over. 4 teams in 7 years. Beasley played on 7 teams in 11 years. They just couldn't find a fit whether because of bad defense and/or low team BBIQ.

[ontnut]

Idk if this makes sense to anyone but there’s something about cmbs build that looks odd. It’s like a short ed Davis.

No neck.

[Bruin]

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[Potential]

CMB should trademark the F word

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[djsunyc]

Idk if this makes sense to anyone but there’s something about cmbs build that looks odd. It’s like a short ed Davis.

just wanted to quote this because you will repeat this at least 100 more times during the season.

[ConSarnit]

Yeah, talent acquisition is a good thing. But what we do with said talent is also important, right? Redundancy reduces value.

This thread is basically Groundhog Day from the Barnes draft thread.

“Excited to see Barnes and OG terrorize teams defensively”

“Just have to hope Barnes learns to shoot”

Smash cut 3 years later: welp, looks like this team isn’t working.

We'd be worse off from an asset standpoint if we took Suggs instead though. What's the alternative, take the worse player whose a better fit? If the team thinks CMB is the best on the board, you take the best on the board.

Obviously I’m ignoring the Suggs stuff. That wasn’t really my point.

You’re acting like CMB is some 90/100 level prospect and every guy taken below him is 78/100. There’s just no way the gap between CMB and some of the guys taken after him is that big. If we’re committed to Barnes doesn’t it make sense to sacrifice a little upside for fit? By all accounts I’d have CMB as the worst fit with Barnes of anyone available.

I’m no draft expert but I can’t believe CMB has so much upside that we had to take him no matter how badly he fits with our franchise player.

Now, if you want to tell me the FO is down on Barnes then yeah, CMB is a fine pick. But if that’s the case what the f*ck are we doing trying to build around him?

[PushDaRock]

Siakam was getting better at 3 towards the end of his Raptors tenure too, but I can’t imagine any team doing well with a poo poo platter rotation of Precious, Malachi, Dennis Schroder, GTJr and a revolving rotation of low-end NBA journeymen. Pretty much none of the guys we played are doing anything now..Svi, Yuta, Birch, Dowtin, etc.

Ideally our old core would have all been moved down a peg but we did them no favours surrounding them with the trash we did.

Down a peg how? Barnes can’t play the 3. He’s never been suited to guard wings or faster players. He doesn’t provide the spacing most teams need from the 3. I just don’t get how Barnes at the 3 would have been a long term solution.

Yeah our bench sucked but that was the entire issue. Our starting lineups weren’t that good. The Siakam at C lineups fell apart as they couldn’t maintain the aggressive play style. The Poeltl lineup did fine but the competition level at the end of that season was joke. They also just played Nurse-ball to an even more extreme degree and didn’t fix any high level issues (like half court scoring). The majority of our success was Nurse-ball smoke and mirrors as seen by our collapse once Darko took over.

By old core, I meant Siakam/FVV/OG. Barnes would have been the piece needed to get moved to get those guys all down a peg.

[Raptorfan2012]

Who is more athletic as of today: CMB or Zion Williamson?

[refshateRaps]

Looked like he wasnt happy with the team. Didnt give interview.

He even cursed the pick out according to lip readers.

Seen on reddit:

My Mom is an expert lip reader for Toronto PD and she confirmed he shook his head and said '****, this some bull'. Then when he walked towards the stage he said 'snowy ass city'.


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I say the exact same when i wake up and go to work in January

[Duffman100]

y'all think about this stuff way too much. and y'all give yourselves way too much credit. lol.

Let's just wait and see before, again, calling Masai washed. Maybe?

[xAIRNESSx]

He posted this to his IG. Love the caption

[niQ]

This post from a Raptors fan who predicted we'd draft CMB got me hyped. Masai has done it again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/s/XI7BROSr8F

Excellent post, and also got me super excited about CMB.

CMB tied for the 3rd highest BPM in college behind only Flagg and Broome

Broome still available.

[OakleyDokely]

This thread is basically Groundhog Day from the Barnes draft thread.

“Excited to see Barnes and OG terrorize teams defensively”

“Just have to hope Barnes learns to shoot”

Smash cut 3 years later: welp, looks like this team isn’t working.

We'd be worse off from an asset standpoint if we took Suggs instead though. What's the alternative, take the worse player whose a better fit? If the team thinks CMB is the best on the board, you take the best on the board.

Obviously I’m ignoring the Suggs stuff. That wasn’t really my point.

You’re acting like CMB is some 90/100 level prospect and every guy taken below him is 78/100. There’s just no way the gap between CMB and some of the guys taken after him is that big. If we’re committed to Barnes doesn’t it make sense to sacrifice a little upside for fit? By all accounts I’d have CMB as the worst fit with Barnes of anyone available.

I’m no draft expert but I can’t believe CMB has so much upside that we had to take him no matter how badly he fits with our franchise player.

Now, if you want to tell me the FO is down on Barnes then yeah, CMB is a fine pick. But if that’s the case what the f*ck are we doing trying to build around him?

Nobody outside the Raps knows how highly he was rated, I'm just saying that I'm taking BPA over fit, especially when you're talking about 18/19/20 years olds. Most of these guys aren't going to be ready to seriously contribute positively for 2-3 years and by then your roster will look a lot different given how high the roster turnover is in the NBA.

Barnes isn't a franchise player. He's not SGA, Jokic or Giannis. He's a really good player, but you can't completely avoid positions because he exists. He's not nearly good enough for that. And this is coming from a Barnes fan.

[Basketball_Jones]

Idk if this makes sense to anyone but there’s something about cmbs build that looks odd. It’s like a short ed Davis.

Yeah it kind of looks Carmelo Anthony-ish to me. Now hopefully he’s got expensive trainers and shooting coach and we can really see what he can do.

[And1Skip]

-I thought Chomche was beginning to come around when he got hurt, and his injury seemed like just enough to sideline him but not serious enough to affect his career. By March, the 905 were clearly a better team when he was on the court. We even saw a three pointer. I'm not done with him. He's still just 19 until December, and if the management group likes how he progressed, it may we have influenced their view of Maluach, who would have been a long-term project as well but at a much, much higher risk and financial exposure.

0% chance Chomche was even considered when making this pick.

Y'all gotta chill on a 59th pick. You guys think we passed on Malauch cause of Chomche but didn't consider Barnes with CMB?

I don’t think they watched Chomche when he played with the big club. He was one of the most lost players I’ve ever seen. He had zero idea where to be on the floor. He needs another full G-league year at minimum. And that’s to reach adequate backup level C.

Chomche was lost a lot during the first half of the season for both the big club and 905. The 905 were terrible in the first half season/winter showcase. When the g-league started the 2nd season in January Chomche was a monster (on defence) and the 905 were contenders. Coincidently when Chomche suffered the season ending injury, the 905 started losing most of their games and fell out of the playoff picture pretty soon thereafter.

[tsherkin]

This thread is basically Groundhog Day from the Barnes draft thread.

“Excited to see Barnes and OG terrorize teams defensively”

“Just have to hope Barnes learns to shoot”

Smash cut 3 years later: welp, looks like this team isn’t working.

Yes, it does feel that way.

And Gradey has been a net-negative since joining the the team. I liked going after an offense focused player - but both sides can bite you.

And honestly trying to teach bad defenders defence works way less of the time.

We never were gonna get a guaranteed 2-way guy at 9. You gotta take someone good at one or the other and develop.

This is so true and overlooked. OG and Siakam both are examples of this. They had the motor and defensive skills to start and both were a bit raw offensively. Offense developed and they became all-NBA (all-NBA defence for OG) type guys. Then you have guys like Dick, or high pick guys like Bagley/Beasley/Ayton etc who were offensive powers and just never developed that defensive skill/BBIQ needed to stay on the floor.

Of course, you also have pure defense guys like Biyombo who never developed enough of an O game to stay on the floor - but for all his flaws, Biyombo still carved out a 14 year NBA career. Bagley is 25 and it looks like his NBA career is almost over. 4 teams in 7 years. Beasley played on 7 teams in 11 years. They just couldn't find a fit whether because of bad defense and/or low team BBIQ.

This is fair enough; it's quite challenging trying to take weak defenders and turn them into passable/good ones, for sure. There are some things a player needs to have in them to begin with.

y'all think about this stuff way too much. and y'all give yourselves way too much credit. lol.

Let's just wait and see before, again, calling Masai washed. Maybe?

Yeah, it's extremely early in the off-season. Finals are literally just finished, so there's tons and tons of time. It's just a mixture of impatience and concern, because we've seen some of this movie before, you know? But it's early days.

[Drakeem]

The biggest idiot online. No surprise. Do you know how many times iv said fk out of excitement / shock? Lol

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This expectation that someone who's 18-21 years old being in the biggest moment of their lives up until that point being aware of every movement and phrase and their cadence is insanity. He's done enough to dispel the notion that he doesn't want to be here. At this point, it speaks more to the insecurities of people in Toronto than the players.

[NinjaBro]

Is CMB going to teach Barnes how to shoot? Because that’s what’s holding back his offense right now.

We’ve also never asked Barnes to anchor the defense so I don’t get how he’s using up all his energy at that end.

Darko will help CMB with his shooting.

I think Scottie can already shoot, It's the balance that was thrown off when OG was traded, he leaned more of his energy to defence.

I think Energy balance between offence and defence is completely overlooked by people.

Thousands of NBA players have been able to shoot and play defense at the same time. This is some of the worst excuse making for Barnes I’ve ever seen.

We need mdenny's thought in this