Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb (HOU)

[Tofubeque]

And yea, James Jones comparison is epic horrible because Lamb isn't even a 1 dimensional shooter to begin with.

As of right now, he is a 0-dimensional player.

He hasn't shown he can shoot a high percentage against NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can handle the ball against or get the step on NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can defend period. His body is frail and he's not particularly fast.

All he's shown is he has long arms and can score in college. I think he'll be better than James Jones, but I doubt he'll be as good at what Jamal Crawford does as Crawford himself is. That's why I'm hoping we can turn him into a defending, off-the-ball 2-way player. Because when you take Crawford and remove the slick ball-handling (he overdribbles, but has one of the tightest handles in the league), you get a player in the mold of James Jones. That's what we have to expect as his floor.

[Marlo Stanfield]

As of right now, he is a 0-dimensional player.

He hasn't shown he can shoot a high percentage against NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can handle the ball against or get the step on NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can defend period. His body is frail and he's not particularly fast.

All he's shown is he has long arms and can score in college. I think he'll be better than James Jones, but I doubt he'll be as good at what Jamal Crawford does as Crawford himself is. That's why I'm hoping we can turn him into a defending, off-the-ball 2-way player. Because when you take Crawford and remove the slick ball-handling (he overdribbles, but has one of the tightest handles in the league), you get a player in the mold of James Jones. That's what we have to expect as his floor.

[cdel00]

i hear what you guys are saying and I think of how Ripp was deadly from mid range. I do like that Lamb was Elite from mid range and his form on his jumper is excellent usually. With his elevation and long arms it looks very smooth. His silkiness on the pull up is very encouraging and his handle will help him get there.

I hope he is able to do what is needed to improve those %s from range.

Better selection, smarter play, and lots of repetition in practice.

His ceiling is limmitted otherwise.

What? His ceiling is not limited to that. Why can't he get a dribble drive game with increased NBA spacing and that yoyo handle? Why can't he improve his assists with better teammates? Why can't he become a lockdown defender with that length and Casey's coaching?

Not saying he can't improve, I'm saying he must improve and if he doesn't improve then he'll be very limited. That's all.

His history of improving though says he needs to improve on the work he puts in to improve

[Tofubeque]

Soo... what is his floor then? Rip Hamilton? Or do you not want to accept that he has one?

[Marlo Stanfield]

Soo... what is his floor then? Rip Hamilton? Or do you not want to accept that he has one?

Apparently his floor his a vegetable since he has zero dimensions to his game. Man, how has UConn won any games playing 4 on 5 these past two seasons...?

[nowayguy]

Not saying he can't improve, I'm saying he must improve and if he doesn't improve then he'll be very limited. That's all.

His history of improving though says he needs to improve on the work he puts in to improve

Every player must improve. Lamb is a player with NBA quality shooting, dribbling and length. Lamb has been given a ton of credit by his coaches for putting in the work in to become a lottery calibre player. Please don't act like you know how hard this kid has worked and how effective his training has been to improve himself when he's been acknowledged for getting himself to this point.

[Waylon Mercy]

If we draft Lamb at 8 he will be the best player on this team (which is not saying much) but
I can't see them passing on him even if he had Lukka Magnotta issues unless guys like Barnes
or Beal slip.

Rivers is intriguing but hes way to inefficient and when you have other inefficient scorers like
Bargs and DeRozan its not a good match.

[Tofubeque]

Apparently his floor his a vegetable since he has zero dimensions to his game. Man, how has UConn won any games playing 4 on 5 these past two seasons...?

Well, since Kemba left they haven't won very many.

[Waylon Mercy]

Ug he shot 34% from college 3point range that's hella-bad,

As a Raptor Jamario Moon shot 34% from NBA 3point range and we cringed when he shot the 3.

Just some perspective to Lambs long ball.

Not to make excuses for him but the games I've watched over again recently there was
so many times when he missed that the ball was in and out or rattled around the rim plus
Napier killed the shot clock and gives the ball to him with 3 seconds left on the shot clock
to take a bail out 3.

[Undefeated]

As of right now, he is a 0-dimensional player.

He hasn't shown he can shoot a high percentage against NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can handle the ball against or get the step on NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can defend period. His body is frail and he's not particularly fast.

Doesn't this almost apply to every prospect because they haven't shown anything against an NBA player? On that alone, Anthony Davis is a 0-dimensional player too based on what you said...

[Undefeated]

Not saying he can't improve, I'm saying he must improve and if he doesn't improve then he'll be very limited. That's all.

His history of improving though says he needs to improve on the work he puts in to improve

Every player must improve. Lamb is a player with NBA quality shooting, dribbling and length. Lamb has been given a ton of credit by his coaches for putting in the work in to become a lottery calibre player. Please don't act like you know how hard this kid has worked and how effective his training has been to improve himself when he's been acknowledged for getting himself to this point.

I'm not sure if people realize this, but Jeremy Lamb wasn't even a top 100 recruit in his class per ESPN. So, to see a prospect who didn't start on his HS team until his junior year then going on to play for a national championship team as a second fiddle being a freshman to becoming a potential lotto pick. What does that even say about Lamb's work ethic to improve?

[Marlo Stanfield]

Apparently his floor his a vegetable since he has zero dimensions to his game. Man, how has UConn won any games playing 4 on 5 these past two seasons...?

Well, since Kemba left they haven't won very many.

True. And Gonzaga hasn't won like they did with Adam Morrison either. You wanna sign him up?

[OAKLEY_2]

The latest Chad Ford has us picking Waiters. He has Portland acquiring both Lillard and Lamb. The scary part of that is that if Portland could land both those players with their new GM on the job for all of 15 minutes what does that say about all the suits that work for the Raptors? Should we not be asking why it is we can't walk away with those 2 but Portland can? All this talk about Lillard vs. Lamb and Ford is serving up the possibility that Portland could come away with both. I really don't see that happening as a mock is just hypothetical combintions and hype but you never know. Rivers and Lamb both still look like boys but Waiters looks ready to play the man's game. When a decision is made on who goes 8th having an NBA ready game will surely influence the Raptors decision. He is also still calling for the Raptors to trade the pick. Why I think Lamb is the right decision is that he has abilities and arms that make it likely he could play some 3. Lamb might be absolutely scary playing with Demar. I don't see Waiters being an upside pick in the same manner and that both he and to lesser extent Rivers will be barely able to fill Bayless' and Barbosa's shoes. In fact of the 3 lamb might be the only effective player when he doesn't have the ball.

[DarrylFlicking]

This thread is getting weirder than Gary Busey.

[Tofubeque]

As of right now, he is a 0-dimensional player.

He hasn't shown he can shoot a high percentage against NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can handle the ball against or get the step on NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can defend period. His body is frail and he's not particularly fast.

Doesn't this almost apply to every prospect because they haven't shown anything against an NBA player? On that alone, Anthony Davis is a 0-dimensional player too based on what you said...

Yes.

I was saying that because everyone is taking for granted that Lamb will be more than a 1-dimensional player. Like everyone including Anthony Davis (skinny, questionable offense), his bust potential is plenty high. Especially when included in his gifts are things like shooting over college defenders, which won't necessarily translate to the NBA. He's not a pure athlete.

I'm pretty high on Lamb, and our pick is between him and Lillard in my mind. But you have to be aware of his downsides too. Until he proves otherwise, he's a mediocre off-the-bench shooter.

[fredericklove]

And yea, James Jones comparison is epic horrible because Lamb isn't even a 1 dimensional shooter to begin with.

As of right now, he is a 0-dimensional player.

He hasn't shown he can shoot a high percentage against NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can handle the ball against or get the step on NBA players.

Like Undefeated said, and I'll remind you again that ..if you're going to bring in these two things (that applies to every prospect) as one of your analysis, then I must say...

[cdel00]

Not saying he can't improve, I'm saying he must improve and if he doesn't improve then he'll be very limited. That's all.

His history of improving though says he needs to improve on the work he puts in to improve

Every player must improve. Lamb is a player with NBA quality shooting, dribbling and length. Lamb has been given a ton of credit by his coaches for putting in the work in to become a lottery calibre player. Please don't act like you know how hard this kid has worked and how effective his training has been to improve himself when he's been acknowledged for getting himself to this point.

I'm not sure if people realize this, but Jeremy Lamb wasn't even a top 100 recruit in his class per ESPN. So, to see a prospect who didn't start on his HS team until his junior year then going on to play for a national championship team as a second fiddle being a freshman to becoming a potential lotto pick. What does that even say about Lamb's work ethic to improve?

Fair enough and I'll even buy the offensive system hurting his percentages from deep.

He will be a heck of a player if he keeps improving at that rate. He's got a lot going for him!

[The Chucker]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

The latest Chad Ford has us picking Waiters. He has Portland acquiring both Lillard and Lamb. The scary part of that is that if Portland could land both those players with their new GM on the job for all of 15 minutes what does that say about all the suits that work for the Raptors? Should we not be asking why it is we can't walk away with those 2 but Portland can? All this talk about Lillard vs. Lamb and Ford is serving up the possibility that Portland could come away with both. I really don't see that happening as a mock is just hypothetical combintions and hype but you never know. Rivers and Lamb both still look like boys but Waiters looks ready to play the man's game. When a decision is made on who goes 8th having an NBA ready game will surely influence the Raptors decision. He is also still calling for the Raptors to trade the pick. Why I think Lamb is the right decision is that he has abilities and arms that make it likely he could play some 3. Lamb might be absolutely scary playing with Demar. I don't see Waiters being an upside pick in the same manner and that both he and to lesser extent Rivers will be barely able to fill Bayless' and Barbosa's shoes. In fact of the 3 lamb might be the only effective player when he doesn't have the ball.

I think he has Waiters there at 8 for either a Memphis (Rudy Gay) or Philly (Iguodala). Now, if it's Philly, I think we'd be getting their pick back (15th overall) in the deal as well, where a guy like Moe Harkless comes into play, or maybe Perry Jones if he's still on the board, who knows.

[fatal9]

IMO we need to trade this pick. All we're going to get is a 0-dimensional NBA player (because they haven't done anything against NBA players). Maybe look to get a 1-dimensional player like James Jones. Would be pretty sick if we can turn 0 dimensions into 1 dimension don't you think? Maybe if we get really lucky we can get 2 dimensions and a potato.