2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Raptors_128]

Dragic + Boucher + Svi for Horford + 2022 Celtics 1st (top-10 protected)

Celtics dump the $14 million Horford is owed next year while picking up a PG, PF/C, and a depth wing. Right now the Celtics are starting Horford at the 4 for some reason and Williams is the preferred starting 5. Celtic fans want Grant to start at the 4 instead of Horford too. A bench player making $26 million this season and owed $14 million (if you waive him) next season seems like a waste. Dragic dropped 20/5/4 on the Celtics just 2 seasons ago in the playoffs.

Dragic/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Williams
Schroder/Richardson/Langford/Boucher/Kanter

Raptors add a vet that can play the 5. Horford’s 3 point shooting and defense is not what it was but I think he is still a capable passer and can occasionally hit a 3. The trade is more for the 1st and a stop-gap 5 that can play the Gasol role.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Siakam/Horford
Barnes/Flynn or Banton/Champagnie/Watanabe/Birch

[agkagk]

Mo bamba.

Always thought he’d take his entire rookie scale to become a prospect.

After 4 years in Orlando, Assuming he isn’t completely brain dead basketball wise, I’d like to see if we can acquire his bird rights for cheap.

Ridiculous athlete and shouldn’t cost much more than 10 million a year on a mid term deal.

[youreachiteach]

I could see that--or maybe just dragic for richardson to help the bench scoring(since they may be tanking soon).

[agkagk]

A lot of you are really over valuing dragic’s worth.

I hope we don’t reward him with a buyout. Let him rot....on a beach....in Miami.

[youreachiteach]

Mo bamba.

Always thought he’d take his entire rookie scale to become a prospect.

After 4 years in Orlando, Assuming he isn’t completely brain dead basketball wise, I’d like to see if we can acquire his bird rights for cheap.

Ridiculous athletic and shouldn’t cost much more than 10 million a year on a mid term deal.

He does make a lot of errors but has such an amazing skillset. Can hit threes, isn't an awful passer and blocks shots well. He reminds me of a bigger Achiuwa, actually. Given our intent to "develop" this year he would be a nice add. Don't know if Orlando gives him up, despite his status given his improved play and cheap price tag.

[youreachiteach]

A lot of you are really over valuing dragic’s worth.

I hope we don’t reward him with a buyout. Let him rot....on a beach....in Miami.

I just consider him to be financial relief. Is that too much?

[Spida888]

I'm lukewarm on Turner. On paper he's definitely an upgrade, but I don't want to give up a valuable player for him. He's pretty injury prone and not sure about his motor.

A protected first + filler is what I would offer for Turner, which he probably nets more.

For this season, I'd give Indiana an unprotected first, because Raps aren't gonna finish top ten in the lottery anyway.

OG is better than Turner in every way except rim protection. Even at defending opposing Cs. There's no way to construct such a trade that would be of net benefit to the Raptors, this season and for the seasons to come.

It would still have to be protected first for me lol, maybe not fully lottery protected. I'm not giving unprotected firsts for any player unless they're like a top 10 player. It's just too risky especially with the pandemic and unforeseen injuries that might happen (knock on wood).

[agkagk]

Mo bamba.

Always thought he’d take his entire rookie scale to become a prospect.

After 4 years in Orlando, Assuming he isn’t completely brain dead basketball wise, I’d like to see if we can acquire his bird rights for cheap.

Ridiculous athletic and shouldn’t cost much more than 10 million a year on a mid term deal.

He does make a lot of errors but has such an amazing skillset. Can hit threes, isn't an awful passer and blocks shots well. He reminds me of a bigger Achiuwa, actually. Given our intent to "develop" this year he would be a nice add. Don't know if Orlando gives him up, despite his status given his improved play and cheap price tag.

He’s literally one of the fastest players in the league. He can run and he’s got a 7’10 wing span.

https://sport-net.org/is-mo-bamba-the-fastest-player-in-the-nba/


No idea what we can offer to entice Orlando.

Probably would have to wait to make an offer to him as an rfa.

[youreachiteach]

How about Ross and Bamba for Dragic, Achiuwa and an unprotected first?

[agkagk]

How about Ross and Bamba for Dragic, Achiuwa and an unprotected first?

Achiuwa and an unprotected first is the opposite of cheap lol.

I don’t think we have enough assets to be able to do anything more than throwing money at him in the offseason.

On another note, a precious - mo Bamba combo at the 5 next season would be something I could get behind.

[Zeno]

How about Ross and Bamba for Dragic, Achiuwa and an unprotected first?

Achiuwa and an unprotected first is the opposite of cheap lol.

A precious - mo Bamba combo at the 5 next season would be something I could get behind.

I suspect you could get Ross and Bamba for Dragic and the 1st. I’m not sure I want to do that as Bamba needs to get paid next year.

[RonaldArtest]

Bagley/TT/Harkless
for
Boucher/Dragic/2024 SRP

Take a look at Bagley who needed polishing coming out of college and landed in basketball purgatory. He has a lot of skill for a big and could maybe take a smaller bridge type contract next season while his value improves. Thompson is a big body for the playoffs and Harkless is a vet body who can be handy in a limited role.

Sac moves on from Bagley who hasn’t meshed well there, and they get a look at Boucher. Shed a year off of Harkless which isn’t major, but opens up a bit more room for a free agent.

Who says no?

[Ell Curry]

If you take his age out, it just seems like the replacement value of OG could be filled by a vet or Scottie. There are any number of players that more or less fill that role. OG is a good defender, but he struggles with conditioning and is always kind of the same player to me. A valuable 3 and D guy, but not a franchise type C.

Toronto made Ibaka elite. He was the same type of shotblocking jumpshooter, and that made Toronto a very good playoff team. Elite, once Kawhi arrived. This whole line-up super small ball line-up is fun, but there really is no precedence for this working. We already see how the scheme hasn't led us to an elite defense.

P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .O. Anunoby, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line-up in 7 games is 107 DEFRTG

Interestingly, taking OG out and adding Boucher the rating looks great:
P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .C. Boucher, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line-up in 4 games is 98.8 DEFRTG

Imagine adding in Turner over Boucher and you might have something special.

I think the bolded is 2000s talk, though the (small sample size but still) lineup is interesting.

3 and D wings are so tough to find. How many guys actually defend like OG and hit 3s/space the floor like him on the wing? KD, George, Kawhi, Bane, Thompson, Middleton, Jaylen Brown/Tatum if they're trying on D. Teams like Phoenix, Memphis and Utah have these guys around their stars and the Lakers and others are dying for those guys around their primary scorers/ballhandlers. Golden State added some decent versions in Otto Porter Jr, Gary Payton and a washed Iguodala and it's been massive for them. Washington looks better with KCP and Kuzma doing the job at 2/3rds of OG's quality and that's with Dinwiddie being a big disappointment.

Even if we should eventually find a center and we start VanVleet-Trent-Barnes-Siakam-Center, I think having a player like OG as our 6th man backing up the 2, 3 and 4 with a strong small ball lineup option is the direction Masai wants to go, which is also why we took a big guard in Johnson and a ballhandling wing in Banton.

Masai's doing the best thing you can without lucking into, tanking or overpaying for a star, finding versatile 3 and D talent and then finding a center and bench scorer last, similarly to how Marc Gasol was the finishing touch to our championship team.

[RapsFanInOhio]

If you take his age out, it just seems like the replacement value of OG could be filled by a vet or Scottie. There are any number of players that more or less fill that role. OG is a good defender, but he struggles with conditioning and is always kind of the same player to me. A valuable 3 and D guy, but not a franchise type C.

Toronto made Ibaka elite. He was the same type of shotblocking jumpshooter, and that made Toronto a very good playoff team. Elite, once Kawhi arrived. This whole line-up super small ball line-up is fun, but there really is no precedence for this working. We already see how the scheme hasn't led us to an elite defense.

P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .O. Anunoby, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line-up in 7 games is 107 DEFRTG

Interestingly, taking OG out and adding Boucher the rating looks great:
P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .C. Boucher, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line-up in 4 games is 98.8 DEFRTG

Imagine adding in Turner over Boucher and you might have something special.

I think the bolded is 2000s talk, though the (small sample size but still) lineup is interesting.

3 and D wings are so tough to find. How many guys actually defend like OG and hit 3s/space the floor like him on the wing? KD, George, Kawhi, Bane, Thompson, Middleton, Jaylen Brown/Tatum if they're trying on D. Teams like Phoenix, Memphis and Utah have these guys around their stars and the Lakers and others are dying for those guys around their primary scorers/ballhandlers. Golden State added some decent versions in Otto Porter Jr, Gary Payton and a washed Iguodala and it's been massive for them. Washington looks better with KCP and Kuzma doing the job at 2/3rds of OG's quality and that's with Dinwiddie being a big disappointment.

Even if we should eventually find a center and we start VanVleet-Trent-Barnes-Siakam-Center, I think having a player like OG as our 6th man backing up the 2, 3 and 4 with a strong small ball lineup option is the direction Masai wants to go, which is also why we took a big guard in Johnson and a ballhandling wing in Banton.

Masai's doing the best thing you can without lucking into, tanking or overpaying for a star, finding versatile 3 and D talent and then finding a center and bench scorer last, similarly to how Marc Gasol was the finishing touch to our championship team.

I agree with this, but I feel like I need to add that there’s more to OG’s game now than just 3&D. He’s got a solid mid range pull up game now, and there are times where his length gets him shots like Kawhi could. His conditioning has been a little rough but he’s also been injured pretty frequently and they do have him guarding 5s quite a bit so that’s to be expected.

I see the vision now - it’s basically to get a team full of wing players who can hit shots. We’re not seeing the finished product yet, but it’s coming together. Not championship level yet, but there is absolutely no way I would want to play us in the playoffs this season, let alone Barnes’ continued development.

With a few tweaks and smart contracts, this core could make a run at multiple titles eventually.

[Boardbreaker]

A lot of you are really over valuing dragic’s worth.

I hope we don’t reward him with a buyout. Let him rot....on a beach....in Miami.

With the rumour that the cavs are after more backcourt help I’d settle for something like Rubio and a 2nd

[Ell Curry]

A lot of you are really over valuing dragic’s worth.

I hope we don’t reward him with a buyout. Let him rot....on a beach....in Miami.

With the rumour that the cavs are after more backcourt help I’d settle for something like Rubio and a 2nd

They just got Rubio.

I think we'll have to eat 2023 money to get a 2nd for Dragic.

The trade I'm intrigued is Dragic + Birch for Horford, #41, and probably Flynn, Svi or Bonga needs to get dumped to a 3rd team to get us under the tax and the Celtics have to pay whatever that takes. Celtics save 21M next year (or like 8M if they're cutting Horford) so we get a 2nd, and we get an upgrade a at the 5 and massive expiring next year. They're more over the tax than we are so I think it's doable without moving Boucher (who is now playing well). We can replace Flynn or Svi if we make the right signing if we're scouting the right shooters for all the Covid replacement teams.

Actually is this right? Or is there no real path to keeping Boucher, getting Horford and not being a tax team (fine now for a few mil, bad for tax repeating when ideally we're paying the tax and contending in 2 years).

His blocks and boards and scoring inside are up from the last couple of years so he's probably not completely washed, he's just having a brutal 3pt shooting season but that's probably just a random blip. And we get off the Birch deal which saves us 5M or so in 2 summers.

From Celtics Blog:

"He's on pace for 3.0 VORP this year. In the history of the NBA, the only 35-year old centers who managed that are: Duncan, Nowizki, David Robinson, Robert Parish, Pau Gasol and Kareem. That is it. That's the list. Six guys.

Hakeem Olajuwon never did it. KG never did it. Shaq never did it. Neither did Patrick Ewing, Dwight Howard, Moses Malone, Dave Cowens, Nate Thurmond, Wes Unseld, Willis Reed, George Mikan or Bill Russell."

That's good enough for me, even if including Mikan and Russell is cheating because they didn't have VORP back then.

[TDotAllStar]

When I heard that Haliburton may be on his way out of Sacramento I was expecting to see the board going crazy but I really haven’t seen much about it here. I think he would be an amazing addition and could pan out to be an amazing PG beside Scottie OG Trent and whoever else we decide to build around. Is it just that we are unlikely to get him or am I just rating him too highly?

[Mattatron]

How about Ross and Bamba for Dragic, Achiuwa and an unprotected first?

That's too much, Orlando won't pay bamba the dollars. 2nd rounders should be enough. But I like Achiuwa, he's well liked and still young.

[no dice]

John Collins is unhappy. Come on let's get on that! Pascal for him plus something to make the money work?

[Boardbreaker]

A lot of you are really over valuing dragic’s worth.

I hope we don’t reward him with a buyout. Let him rot....on a beach....in Miami.

With the rumour that the cavs are after more backcourt help I’d settle for something like Rubio and a 2nd

They just got Rubio.

I think we'll have to eat 2023 money to get a 2nd for Dragic.

The trade I'm intrigued is Dragic + Birch for Horford, #41, and probably Flynn, Svi or Bonga needs to get dumped to a 3rd team to get us under the tax and the Celtics have to pay whatever that takes. Celtics save 21M next year (or like 8M if they're cutting Horford) so we get a 2nd, and we get an upgrade a at the 5 and massive expiring next year. They're more over the tax than we are so I think it's doable without moving Boucher (who is now playing well). We can replace Flynn or Svi if we make the right signing if we're scouting the right shooters for all the Covid replacement teams.

Actually is this right? Or is there no real path to keeping Boucher, getting Horford and not being a tax team (fine now for a few mil, bad for tax repeating when ideally we're paying the tax and contending in 2 years).

His blocks and boards and scoring inside are up from the last couple of years so he's probably not completely washed, he's just having a brutal 3pt shooting season but that's probably just a random blip. And we get off the Birch deal which saves us 5M or so in 2 summers.

From Celtics Blog:

"He's on pace for 3.0 VORP this year. In the history of the NBA, the only 35-year old centers who managed that are: Duncan, Nowizki, David Robinson, Robert Parish, Pau Gasol and Kareem. That is it. That's the list. Six guys.

Hakeem Olajuwon never did it. KG never did it. Shaq never did it. Neither did Patrick Ewing, Dwight Howard, Moses Malone, Dave Cowens, Nate Thurmond, Wes Unseld, Willis Reed, George Mikan or Bill Russell."

That's good enough for me, even if including Mikan and Russell is cheating because they didn't have VORP back then.

Rubio's out for the season and on an expiring deal. I see it as sending them a healthy body for their playoff run in return for an asset.