[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[bluerap23]

I'd do Kuminga and Wiseman. Just based on the upside but dunno if the Warriors are keen on that though

Would be in nirvana if we somehow got Kuminga lol.

I would be shocked if Kuminga turned into half the player OG is. Definitely has the tools, but just don't see him becoming an all-defence talent.

[Pointgod]

Really don't see Masai trading OG. But if he is, you better believe the other team is getting fleeced. Like 2 1st rounders a pick swap plus Hart and Simons is a maybe.

Lol and any GM that traded all that for OG would be fired by the end of the season.

[Mack11]

I'm already hearing Beal says if you get OG I sign with the Blazers.

lol "im already hearing" was your ass the source by any chance?

[Pointgod]

I'd do Kuminga and Wiseman. Just based on the upside but dunno if the Warriors are keen on that though

Would be in nirvana if we somehow got Kuminga lol.

I would be shocked if Kuminga turned into half the player OG is. Definitely has the tools, but just don't see him becoming an all-defence talent.

Kuminga reminds me a lot of Jaylen Brown. Raw physical tools and athletic profile but kind of unsure what the final product would be. Brown worked hard to turn himself into an allstar and passable defender.

The thing with Kuminga is that everything is depends on how much he’s going to work to improve his game and develop his basketball IQ. A player like him in the Raptors development of program has insane potential, but I agree with you that it could be likely that he wouldn’t be better than OG today offensively, never mind on defence. It’s not a trade that I’d feel strongly about either way.

[HumbleRen]

I'd do Kuminga and Wiseman. Just based on the upside but dunno if the Warriors are keen on that though

Would be in nirvana if we somehow got Kuminga lol.

I would be shocked if Kuminga turned into half the player OG is. Definitely has the tools, but just don't see him becoming an all-defence talent.

Will probably never be the defender that OG is but he will be a positive defender and OG won't be half the player Kuminga is on offence due to Kuminga's athleticism.



October - November

3 PPG
2 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
47 True Shooting %

December

8 PPG
1 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
63 True Shooting %

January

9 PPG
4 RPG
0.7 Steals + Blocks
56 True Shooting %

Since All Star Break

12 PPG
4 RPG
1.2 Steals + Blocks
67 True Shooting %
In 22 Minutes per game.

[kj_]

Why are so many teams openly chasing OG? ...Something has to be up with all these rumors flying.....I think Masai might be shopping him to the highest bidder right now with how the news cycle is hitting but who knows

Because he is exactly the player every team can’t have enough of. And the teams “chasing” don’t have any of.


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[Syd-TK3]

If OG gets traded someone is getting fleeced so at this point I don't care how much news comes out about him keep running up the interest

[Brinbe]

OG can CAPABLY guard/switch 1-5 at a good level and also shoot 3s at an efficient clip.

He's also 24 (going on 25-years-old) which means he's entering the prime of his career and there's clearly more levels of development left in his game.

He's on a great contract.

Oh and he's also playoff proven.

I wonder why teams would want him?

[Los_29]

Would be in nirvana if we somehow got Kuminga lol.

I would be shocked if Kuminga turned into half the player OG is. Definitely has the tools, but just don't see him becoming an all-defence talent.

Will probably never be the defender that OG is but he will be a positive defender and OG won't be half the player Kuminga is on offence due to Kuminga's athleticism.



October - November

3 PPG
2 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
47 True Shooting %

December

8 PPG
1 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
63 True Shooting %

January

9 PPG
4 RPG
0.7 Steals + Blocks
56 True Shooting %

Since All Star Break

12 PPG
4 RPG
1.2 Steals + Blocks
67 True Shooting %
In 22 Minutes per game.

Why do you think he would be a positive defender? There is nothing to really suggest he can even be an average one. He lacks defensive awareness and IQ and has terribly low steal and block rates. In fact, he went half a month without recording a single block or steal. That's not a typo.

And you need to check your numbers...again. LOL. Kuminga had a 61% TS% after the all-star break not 67%. And it's also irrelevant because he was still an awful offensive player this year. His crafted OPM was -0.96 and his crafted DPM was even worse at -1.03.

And athleticism doesn't lead to great offensive ability. Skills and IQ do. Athleticism on top of skills and IQ is obviously a huge bonus but without those first two attributes you're just an athlete. Similar to OG in his rookie season, the majority of Kuminga's made baskets were assisted including 100% of his threes according to Cleaning the Glass. Kuminga shot 73% at the rim and was basically terrible outside of it.

Can Kuminga develop into a great player in this league? Yes, he can. Is it likely? No, it's not. Players with his flaws are always going to face an uphill battle in this league.

[gojoorange]

Really don't see Masai trading OG. But if he is, you better believe the other team is getting fleeced. Like 2 1st rounders a pick swap plus Hart and Simons is a maybe.

Lol and any GM that traded all that for OG would be fired by the end of the season.

The Rockets got 2 1sts for RoCo. I think that would be the starting point.

[Bruin]

I would be shocked if Kuminga turned into half the player OG is. Definitely has the tools, but just don't see him becoming an all-defence talent.

Will probably never be the defender that OG is but he will be a positive defender and OG won't be half the player Kuminga is on offence due to Kuminga's athleticism.



October - November

3 PPG
2 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
47 True Shooting %

December

8 PPG
1 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
63 True Shooting %

January

9 PPG
4 RPG
0.7 Steals + Blocks
56 True Shooting %

Since All Star Break

12 PPG
4 RPG
1.2 Steals + Blocks
67 True Shooting %
In 22 Minutes per game.

Why do you think he would be a positive defender? There is nothing to really suggest he can even be an average one. He lacks defensive awareness and IQ and has terribly low steal and block rates. In fact, he went half a month without recording a single block or steal. That's not a typo.

And you need to check your numbers...again. LOL. Kuminga had a 61% TS% after the all-star break not 67%. And it's also irrelevant because he was still an awful offensive player this year. His crafted OPM was -0.96 and his crafted DPM was even worse at -1.03.

And athleticism doesn't lead to great offensive ability. Skills and IQ do. Athleticism on top of skills and IQ is obviously a huge bonus but without those first two attributes you're just an athlete. Similar to OG in his rookie season, the majority of Kuminga's made baskets were assisted including 100% of his threes according to Cleaning the Glass. Kuminga shot 73% at the rim and was basically terrible outside of it.

Can Kuminga develop into a great player in this league? Yes, he can. Is it likely? No, it's not. Players with his flaws are always going to face an uphill battle in this league.

Kuminga also plays a significant portion of his minutes in garbage time in scrubs so I wouldn’t really look at the stats as an indicator of how good he actually is. His performances are not against starters (or even 2nd string a lot of times). A lot of his baskets are also assisted and created off of wide open dunks on fast breaks. And as you mentioned, his defensive IQ is very suspect.

Could he become a good player? Sure. But as of right now, I actually have yet to see any reason why he won’t become just another Josh Smith (who is definitely not as good as OG)

[Bruin]

Btw did you guys see Dame’s Instagram story last night? He deleted it after but it he shared one of those posts regarding the rumor of him wanting Ayton/OG and captioned it “Here we go”

Most likely interpreted as him saying “here we go again with this BS”

[Seasontickets]

All these "leaks" are so consistent with players being part of Klutch - who are one of the worst rumor spreaders with tons of media connections imo.

I'm betting the leaks are for Trent and OG who both feel perhaps they need to secure better contracts in the next round. It's not so much that they truly believe it but I'm not surprised these are media leaks instead of confirmed social media or personal comments by player x.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Btw did you guys see Dame’s Instagram story last night? He deleted it after but it he shared one of those posts regarding the rumor of him wanting Ayton/OG and captioned it “Here we go”

Most likely interpreted as him saying “here we go again with this BS”

or the patented " they're saying us and Golden State are the super teams "

[RapsFanInOhio]

OG can CAPABLY guard/switch 1-5 at a good level and also shoot 3s at an efficient clip.

He's also 24 (going on 25-years-old) which means he's entering the prime of his career and there's clearly more levels of development left in his game.

He's on a great contract.

Oh and he's also playoff proven.

I wonder why teams would want him?

Right. There’s a decent chance he ends up more impactful than Pascal, and teams can see it coming.

My guess is that this is just truly teams trying to drive his value down and stir up controversy that isn’t there.

The numbers and eye test both backup the fact that we’ve asked him to increase his role each year and Nick’s messaging publicly is that OG needs to do more. You think with the rapport that Masai has with these guys, that OG would really go to the media with something like this? I doubt it. He’s going to Masai. The only logical part about it is that there may be some concern from OG’s camp (Fischer, importantly, notes this as other franchise executive speculation) that his touches will go down with Scottie’s development. Someone in the pecking order is going to lose touches, and with OG being as young as he is, he’s going to have a potentially max deal to be playing for. That’s a legitimate concern. But it’s on Nick and Masai to figure that out and manage it. If we can get Kawhi to buy in with all the other personalities on that roster, I don’t doubt we can find a way to make this work. It’s probably a bit of a weird situation, though, because Fred and Pascal don’t strike me as guys who will willingly give up shots.

At the end of the day, I don’t see them moving him. I think they would rightfully move FVV or Pascal before they moved OG.

[Madhouse]

Would be in nirvana if we somehow got Kuminga lol.

I would be shocked if Kuminga turned into half the player OG is. Definitely has the tools, but just don't see him becoming an all-defence talent.

Will probably never be the defender that OG is but he will be a positive defender and OG won't be half the player Kuminga is on offence due to Kuminga's athleticism.



October - November

3 PPG
2 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
47 True Shooting %

December

8 PPG
1 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
63 True Shooting %

January

9 PPG
4 RPG
0.7 Steals + Blocks
56 True Shooting %

Since All Star Break

12 PPG
4 RPG
1.2 Steals + Blocks
67 True Shooting %
In 22 Minutes per game.

Kuminga can become a very good basketball player but I don't think it's as close to a lock as you think and I think you are placing a bit too much emphasis on his athletic profile. A lot of guys have been extremely athletic and did not turn into stars.

I think Kuminga will become better than OG but it's far from a sure thing.

[WuTang_CMB]

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-athletic-nba-show/id1358187061?i=1000566078439

9:40 is when jake talks OG

[Madhouse]

i mean if you're a young player and you keep seeing your role decreasing, thats something i would talk to my agent about and let my agent do the work.

what in the world are you talking about? what is everyone yapping about with this stuff about OG's role diminishing.

Here are some facts:

Raptors Regular season USG% last year:

1. Pascal (25.8)
2. FVV (23.7)
3. GTj (21.8)
4. OG (20.5)
5. Scottie (19)

Raptors playoff USG last year:

1. Pascal (24.2)
2. GTj (21.8)
3. OG (21.2)

Raptors FGA reg season last year:

1. pascal (17.8)
2. fred (16.9)
3. GTj (15.5)
4. OG (14.5)

Raptors FGA playoffs last year:

1. pascal (17.8)
2. OG (13.7)
3. GTj (13.7)
4. fvv (13.5)
5. Scottie (10.5)

OG FGA reg season career

2017 4.7
2018 6.0
2019 8.2
2020 12.1
2021 14.5

and as for his touches decreasing throughout the year yeah well guess what we started th season without our All-NBA #1 offensive option and OG stepped up and showed he could produce as many of us expected he would. And then Pascal came back and his touches went down. Big whoop. big surprise.

But somehow despite the steady increase in his FGA and USG year over year, and just because the other 3 top scorers on the team get a measly 1 more fGA per game (GTj) or 2 (FVV) or 3 (pascal) in the regular season (but not in the playoffs where he was tied for #2 USG) that out of all that you somehow conclude that his role is diminishing and that he is unhappy because what - he wants to be a 1st option on a sh&tty team instead of a major offensive role on a highly balanced team that is going to be a contender next year? all based on an article that ADMITTED it had no evidence whatsoever for this invented unhappiness and that it was pure conjecture? and this is worth 50 pages as other media hacks riff with more BS on that original BS article?

like wtf?

moreso his role down the stretch of the season and can see where he will end up on the heirarchy of things. its obvious Barnes will now have more of the ball in his hands moving forward. you and i can tell this will be Barnes team moving forward. even if OG was the "third" option going into the season this season, Barnes has already supplanted him because of his ball handing and decision making.

don't need a genius to tell you that your role is going to be diminishing once a higher ceiling playing comes into the system.

[lobosloboslobos]

OG can CAPABLY guard/switch 1-5 at a good level and also shoot 3s at an efficient clip.

He's also 24 (going on 25-years-old) which means he's entering the prime of his career and there's clearly more levels of development left in his game.

He's on a great contract.

Oh and he's also playoff proven.

I wonder why teams would want him?

Right. There’s a decent chance he ends up more impactful than Pascal, and teams can see it coming.

My guess is that this is just truly teams trying to drive his value down and stir up controversy that isn’t there.

The numbers and eye test both backup the fact that we’ve asked him to increase his role each year and Nick’s messaging publicly is that OG needs to do more. You think with the rapport that Masai has with these guys, that OG would really go to the media with something like this? I doubt it. He’s going to Masai. The only logical part about it is that there may be some concern from OG’s camp (Fischer, importantly, notes this as other franchise executive speculation) that his touches will go down with Scottie’s development. Someone in the pecking order is going to lose touches, and with OG being as young as he is, he’s going to have a potentially max deal to be playing for. That’s a legitimate concern. But it’s on Nick and Masai to figure that out and manage it. If we can get Kawhi to buy in with all the other personalities on that roster, I don’t doubt we can find a way to make this work. It’s probably a bit of a weird situation, though, because Fred and Pascal don’t strike me as guys who will willingly give up shots.

At the end of the day, I don’t see them moving him. I think they would rightfully move FVV or Pascal before they moved OG.

agree with all this. the other reason for him to accept playing in a balanced offensive system where he has a large but not dominant offensive role is that OG wants to win. And what are your chances of getting to a team that has more chance to win than the Raptors in the next few years? How many teams are even in that category? Maybe 2 or 3 or 4 at most? We have a VERY young and very talented 2-way core with great coaching, great management, great chemistry, our championship-proven stars entering their primes, a superstar to be in Scottie - and a starting role for OG as a defensive anchor and key offensive contributor on a popular wealthy franchise in a great city. What 24 year old would be dumb enough to walk away from that for a chance to put up 4 more FGA on a team that has way less going for it? Not brainiac OG.

[Madhouse]

Will probably never be the defender that OG is but he will be a positive defender and OG won't be half the player Kuminga is on offence due to Kuminga's athleticism.



October - November

3 PPG
2 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
47 True Shooting %

December

8 PPG
1 RPG
0.4 Steals + Blocks
63 True Shooting %

January

9 PPG
4 RPG
0.7 Steals + Blocks
56 True Shooting %

Since All Star Break

12 PPG
4 RPG
1.2 Steals + Blocks
67 True Shooting %
In 22 Minutes per game.

Why do you think he would be a positive defender? There is nothing to really suggest he can even be an average one. He lacks defensive awareness and IQ and has terribly low steal and block rates. In fact, he went half a month without recording a single block or steal. That's not a typo.

And you need to check your numbers...again. LOL. Kuminga had a 61% TS% after the all-star break not 67%. And it's also irrelevant because he was still an awful offensive player this year. His crafted OPM was -0.96 and his crafted DPM was even worse at -1.03.

And athleticism doesn't lead to great offensive ability. Skills and IQ do. Athleticism on top of skills and IQ is obviously a huge bonus but without those first two attributes you're just an athlete. Similar to OG in his rookie season, the majority of Kuminga's made baskets were assisted including 100% of his threes according to Cleaning the Glass. Kuminga shot 73% at the rim and was basically terrible outside of it.

Can Kuminga develop into a great player in this league? Yes, he can. Is it likely? No, it's not. Players with his flaws are always going to face an uphill battle in this league.

Kuminga also plays a significant portion of his minutes in garbage time in scrubs so I wouldn’t really look at the stats as an indicator of how good he actually is. His performances are not against starters (or even 2nd string a lot of times). A lot of his baskets are also assisted and created off of wide open dunks on fast breaks. And as you mentioned, his defensive IQ is very suspect.

Could he become a good player? Sure. But as of right now, I actually have yet to see any reason why he won’t become just another Josh Smith (who is definitely not as good as OG)

When you play for GS you have to take every stat with a grain of salt except Curry's himself.