Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[vulture]

scottie is basically a role player who is mediocre on both ends of the floor. if he doesn't learn to shoot he will be the right handed thad young with his right hand hook shot.
People need to adjust their expectations because the reality is right in front of you.

thagic Barnes LMAO...

[Steelo Green]

Steelo Green wrote:
People are expecting way too much from Barnes out of the get go. He is a project player who will need 2-3 years before he makes a major impact.

IIRC, most people expected Scottie to come off the bench in his rookie season and he blew away even the most optimistic projections on his way to ROTY as he played a pretty big role in his team to nearly reaching 50 wins too. Scottie had a bit of a down sophomore year, but he has already made a pretty big impact in ~160 games. 15/7/4/1/1 while playing 35 MPG and being a positive player for the majority of his career is a pretty damn good start.

And let's not forget while you said it would take 2-3 years for Scottie to make a big impact, you also repeatedly said Suggs will become a consistent all-star and he was the best guy available while Scottie is a role player who has a ~1% chance of reaching a star ceiling. Most of your takes on Scottie have been pretty far off the mark.

Winning ROY was an achievement sure, but again, that doesn't mean he isn't a project. ROY has definitely not been some be all end all of success.

He has not made a big impact. Not at all. He is still a project. Putting up the same numbers as his rookie year is stagnant at best, and in terms of wins and losses ie impact, we have regressed this year in his second year from last while supposedly getting a better Pascal.

I said Suggs had a higher ceiling - ways to go to see.

[Steelo Green]

Steelo Green wrote:
People are expecting way too much from Barnes out of the get go. He is a project player who will need 2-3 years before he makes a major impact.

IIRC, most people expected Scottie to come off the bench in his rookie season and he blew away even the most optimistic projections on his way to ROTY as he played a pretty big role in his team to nearly reaching 50 wins too. Scottie had a bit of a down sophomore year, but he has already made a pretty big impact in ~160 games. 15/7/4/1/1 while playing 35 MPG and being a positive player for the majority of his career is a pretty damn good start.

And let's not forget while you said it would take 2-3 years for Scottie to make a big impact, you also repeatedly said Suggs will become a consistent all-star and he was the best guy available while Scottie is a role player who has a ~1% chance of reaching a star ceiling. Most of your takes on Scottie have been pretty far off the mark.

He moves the goal post . Now he'll say that "making a major impact" means playing the same role as FVV or Pascal (despite him already being our best closer). Scottie has been pretty good in the play-off games he has played. There's really no measure by which Steelo doesn't take an L each time I post lol. There's also the fact that we all know he'd still be on sabbatical if we had won... gotta love these feast or famine fellas

Year two of Scottie "major impact" Barnes, less wins, worse stats, Masai hard talking to, no playoffs.

[mintsa]

Was year two Scottie better than year one Scottie ???

One word answer, yes or no……

The answer is no.

[Clay Davis]

IIRC, most people expected Scottie to come off the bench in his rookie season and he blew away even the most optimistic projections on his way to ROTY as he played a pretty big role in his team to nearly reaching 50 wins too. Scottie had a bit of a down sophomore year, but he has already made a pretty big impact in ~160 games. 15/7/4/1/1 while playing 35 MPG and being a positive player for the majority of his career is a pretty damn good start.

And let's not forget while you said it would take 2-3 years for Scottie to make a big impact, you also repeatedly said Suggs will become a consistent all-star and he was the best guy available while Scottie is a role player who has a ~1% chance of reaching a star ceiling. Most of your takes on Scottie have been pretty far off the mark.

He moves the goal post . Now he'll say that "making a major impact" means playing the same role as FVV or Pascal (despite him already being our best closer). Scottie has been pretty good in the play-off games he has played. There's really no measure by which Steelo doesn't take an L each time I post lol. There's also the fact that we all know he'd still be on sabbatical if we had won... gotta love these feast or famine fellas

Year two of Scottie "major impact" Barnes, less wins, worse stats, Masai hard talking to, no playoffs.

He'd have to halve his current woeful production to not be an impactful player lol. But I suppose you'll just start nit-picking what "major impact" means when everyone here knows that what pingpongrac said was true: people (not just you... but they at least have the contrition to admit they're wrong) didn't think he'd average 15/7/4/1/1 while playing 35 MPG until years 2 or 3 at the earliest. If you want to argue that going 19/10 in a play-in game isn't impactful, that's up to you I guess.

[will]

scottie is basically a role player who is mediocre on both ends of the floor. if he doesn't learn to shoot he will be the right handed thad young with his right hand hook shot.
People need to adjust their expectations because the reality is right in front of you.

thagic Barnes LMAO...

Yo Thagic Barnes is nuts!!!

Y'all are fools!

[vulture]

thagic Barnes LMAO...

Yo Thagic Barnes is nuts!!!

Y'all are fools!

Welcome back Will!

[AbC?]

Step 1 is to let Masai go, but after that I would trade Scottie before he has another mediocre year, becomes extension eligible and while he still has the potential label. Otherwise you’re going to end up in a RJ Barrett type situation.

[vulture]

Can't wait till Scottie is on this graphic with the GOATs.

[Raps in 4]

Was year two Scottie better than year one Scottie ???

One word answer, yes or no……

The answer is no.

No, but it doesn't matter. A lot of young players have extended periods of limited growth before breaking out. If he was 24, I'd be concerned. But he's 21.

[Raps in 4]

scottie is basically a role player who is mediocre on both ends of the floor. if he doesn't learn to shoot he will be the right handed thad young with his right hand hook shot.
People need to adjust their expectations because the reality is right in front of you.

Scottie is also 21.

[Brinbe]

good vid I found that shows you the progression throughout the year. worth a watch

Watch on YouTube

really shows you what's possible out of him despite still being so raw.

[Rumi]

Can't see him be a first option or even a second option on a contending team. He will be a glue piece but if he's who we want to build around then it's a long, painful rebuild ahead.

[HumbleRen]

Can't see him be a first option or even a second option on a contending team. He will be a glue piece but if he's who we want to build around then it's a long, painful rebuild ahead.

Andrei Kirilenko or a modern day version of Lamar Odom vibes.

[Raps in 4]

Can't see him be a first option or even a second option on a contending team. He will be a glue piece but if he's who we want to build around then it's a long, painful rebuild ahead.

The beauty of a teardown would have been that we'd have multiple opportunities to find a 1A scorer in the draft, while also allowing Scottie to develop and see if he can fill that role.

Instead, we put ourselves in a position where Scottie HAS to fill that role because we don't have the picks to find that player in the draft. If Scottie doesn't become that player, we're ****.

[tdotrep2]

giannis needs a closer... he'll never be that dude down the stretch but he could potentially still be the best on a championship roster. we definitely need to find that dude tho.

[hype_2004]

giannis needs a closer... he'll never be that dude down the stretch but he could potentially still be the best on a championship roster. we definitely need to find that dude tho.

Got to find that Middleton next to Scottie, guys like Zach Lavine, Mikal Bridges, Tyrese Maxey, Anfernee Simons who can create and shoot from lights out are ideal candidates.

[duppyy]

Can't see him be a first option or even a second option on a contending team. He will be a glue piece but if he's who we want to build around then it's a long, painful rebuild ahead.

Andrei Kirilenko or a modern day version of Lamar Odom vibes.

I would never be mad at having a prime AK47 on my team.

[LoveMyRaps]

Was year two Scottie better than year one Scottie ???

One word answer, yes or no……

The answer is no.

Yes. Slightly better, but better.

[720]

I don’t understand any why anyone is against rebuilding around Scottie Barnes. The Raptors have nothing to lose by rebuilding around him and everything to gain. The status quo is a total failure.

Lol that’s what I’m saying. People acting like we can’t afford to play around a top 4 lottery pick. Because the alternative is we continue building around our two soon to be 30 year flawed stars, so that we can barely make the play-in to miss the playoffs again? Or miss it altogether like the Tampa year?