Official Ochai Agbaji Thread - Welcome to Toronto, Ochai!

[Indeed]

He's not a very good offensive player, can barely hit double digits. Don't think you have much to worry about.

I'm sure Ochai would do fine guarding him.

My point is starting SF has minimum 7' wingspan, McDaniels is an example on a playoff team (they were last year).
Agbaji does not have 7' wingspan, and pretty much just SG wingspan.

SF do not have a minimum 7' wingspan.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/length

Per this site, only 24 players at the SF have a 7' wingspan which includes some guys who are not even on NBA rosters, and a number of backups

Agabji has a similar wingspan to Patrick Williams, Khris Middleton, Miles Bridges, etc. All guys no one would question if they can play the 3.

Much better argument would be in Agbaji is strong enough. Length is just fine.

Sure, but starting SF would be 7' wingspan, pretty much except for pure shooter like McDermott (and with size, which you are referring to).

With that said, it is hard to see Agbaji being the starting SF for the future. And from my previous point, we only have some PG minutes, all SG minutes and backup SF minutes for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (Shead will most likely be the backup PG over Mitchell as well). We might make this decision next season, or trade deadline. Might look for a prospect big.

[Boogie!]

Agbaji is turning into a beast would be stupid to trade him. Do not get rid of a guy with his skills that can shoot. **** dumbass move in todays nba.

[YogurtProducer]

My point is starting SF has minimum 7' wingspan, McDaniels is an example on a playoff team (they were last year).
Agbaji does not have 7' wingspan, and pretty much just SG wingspan.

SF do not have a minimum 7' wingspan.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/length

Per this site, only 24 players at the SF have a 7' wingspan which includes some guys who are not even on NBA rosters, and a number of backups

Agabji has a similar wingspan to Patrick Williams, Khris Middleton, Miles Bridges, etc. All guys no one would question if they can play the 3.

Much better argument would be in Agbaji is strong enough. Length is just fine.

Sure, but starting SF would be 7' wingspan, pretty much except for pure shooter like McDermott (and with size, which you are referring to).

With that said, it is hard to see Agbaji being the starting SF for the future. And from my previous point, we only have some PG minutes, all SG minutes and backup SF minutes for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (Shead will most likely be the backup PG over Mitchell as well). We might make this decision next season, or trade deadline. Might look for a prospect big.

I literally just provided you with proof that starting SFs do not necessarily have 7' wingspans. In fact, the vat majority are less than 7 feet.

If we cant even agree on facts here, this conversation can end.

[Indeed]

SF do not have a minimum 7' wingspan.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/length

Per this site, only 24 players at the SF have a 7' wingspan which includes some guys who are not even on NBA rosters, and a number of backups

Agabji has a similar wingspan to Patrick Williams, Khris Middleton, Miles Bridges, etc. All guys no one would question if they can play the 3.

Much better argument would be in Agbaji is strong enough. Length is just fine.

Sure, but starting SF would be 7' wingspan, pretty much except for pure shooter like McDermott (and with size, which you are referring to).

With that said, it is hard to see Agbaji being the starting SF for the future. And from my previous point, we only have some PG minutes, all SG minutes and backup SF minutes for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (Shead will most likely be the backup PG over Mitchell as well). We might make this decision next season, or trade deadline. Might look for a prospect big.

I literally just provided you with proof that starting SFs do not necessarily have 7' wingspans. In fact, the vat majority are less than 7 feet.

If we cant even agree on facts here, this conversation can end.

Which starting SF are you referring to?

[YogurtProducer]

Sure, but starting SF would be 7' wingspan, pretty much except for pure shooter like McDermott (and with size, which you are referring to).

With that said, it is hard to see Agbaji being the starting SF for the future. And from my previous point, we only have some PG minutes, all SG minutes and backup SF minutes for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (Shead will most likely be the backup PG over Mitchell as well). We might make this decision next season, or trade deadline. Might look for a prospect big.

I literally just provided you with proof that starting SFs do not necessarily have 7' wingspans. In fact, the vat majority are less than 7 feet.

If we cant even agree on facts here, this conversation can end.

Which starting SF are you referring to?

Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

[Indeed]

I literally just provided you with proof that starting SFs do not necessarily have 7' wingspans. In fact, the vat majority are less than 7 feet.

If we cant even agree on facts here, this conversation can end.

Which starting SF are you referring to?

Dorian FInney Smith - not a starting SF, Doncic has over 7' wingspan, and Thompson is the
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

As said, there might be exception with shooters. Now looking at your list, some of them are listed as 7'

Now your list:
Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
---- Above are 7' on NBA wesbite standard, they rounded up from 6'11.1 to 7' ---
Doncic - No actual measurement, people have him at 7'2 as well
McDaniels - No actual measurement, people have him at 6'11.5, which is 7' in NBA website
PWill - No actual measurement, people have him at 7' as well
Tatum - No actual measurement
--- Controversy starting SF ---
Middleton - He is a starter, borderline shooter
Risacher - Dyson Daniels and De'Andre Hunter seem to be the starting SF
Martin - He plays SF?
Nesmith - They don't have better option, and clearly none started at SF for more than half of the games
Miles Bridges - SG, clearly Miller is the SF in their future plan
Keldon Johnson - Started 0 game
Derozan -
Avdija - Camara is the starting SF, I believe
Okoro - Dean Wade started more games than him this year
Hart - He plays SF?
Giddey - You listed Patrick Williams earlier, right?
Mann - He plays SF?
Brooks -
Braun - He plays SF?

From the list, I can only agree on Middleton and Brooks.
These are clearly playing out of their position: Nesmith, Giddey and DeRozan

To me the vat majority is 7', and a few borderline (rounded up to be 7' wingspan) SF are starters. And only Middleton being a sub 7' SF on a playoffs team, where he is more a shooter as well.

Brooks is the only exception, while you may argue DeRozan who is more contributing to the offense, but Nesmith and Giddey are clearly not SF.

To me clearly it is pretty much needed to have a 7' wingspan SF (particularly for defensive purpose).
So what is next? What is the conversation after this?

[Duffman100]

I literally just provided you with proof that starting SFs do not necessarily have 7' wingspans. In fact, the vat majority are less than 7 feet.

If we cant even agree on facts here, this conversation can end.

Which starting SF are you referring to?

Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/length

Ochai's wingspance is 6'10.25.

Measure out 1.75 inches and as yourself what huge difference is that making.

[Scase]

Which starting SF are you referring to?

Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/length

Ochai's wingspance is 6'10.25.

Measure out 1.75 inches and as yourself what huge difference is that making.

Bold of you to say this to a male

Jokes aside, I think Ochai is a bit small, but it's not just his wingspan. Watching him trying to defend lebron was a bit of an eye opener. Seeing OG all these years matching up with the biggest 3/4's in the league and doing a great job kinda makes Ochais stature a bit more of a concern. Overall though I think he's been great this season.

He looks like a 2 trying to guard 3/4's.

[MessiahUjiri]

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

If you could flip him into a late first, you take it and run. Just think about it, what position does he play? SF? He's a below average defender. SG? Huge backlog. That leaves PG, he's above average there.

He isn’t a Below average defender

So we take a late first so what? Hopefully he becomes as good as Agbaji?

This guy is a clear troll. Every fan base has people want to trade everyone for pics in hopes that they may become as good as the people that they trade.

I bet he’s like 21 years old. He probably means well.

[YogurtProducer]

Which starting SF are you referring to?

Dorian FInney Smith - not a starting SF, Doncic has over 7' wingspan, and Thompson is the
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

As said, there might be exception with shooters. Now looking at your list, some of them are listed as 7'

Now your list:
Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
---- Above are 7' on NBA wesbite standard, they rounded up from 6'11.1 to 7' ---
Doncic - No actual measurement, people have him at 7'2 as well
McDaniels - No actual measurement, people have him at 6'11.5, which is 7' in NBA website
PWill - No actual measurement, people have him at 7' as well
Tatum - No actual measurement
--- Controversy starting SF ---
Middleton - He is a starter, borderline shooter
Risacher - Dyson Daniels and De'Andre Hunter seem to be the starting SF
Martin - He plays SF?
Nesmith - They don't have better option, and clearly none started at SF for more than half of the games
Miles Bridges - SG, clearly Miller is the SF in their future plan
Keldon Johnson - Started 0 game
Derozan -
Avdija - Camara is the starting SF, I believe
Okoro - Dean Wade started more games than him this year
Hart - He plays SF?
Giddey - You listed Patrick Williams earlier, right?
Mann - He plays SF?
Brooks -
Braun - He plays SF?

From the list, I can only agree on Middleton and Brooks.
These are clearly playing out of their position: Nesmith, Giddey and DeRozan

To me the vat majority is 7', and a few borderline (rounded up to be 7' wingspan) SF are starters. And only Middleton being a sub 7' SF on a playoffs team, where he is more a shooter as well.

Brooks is the only exception, while you may argue DeRozan who is more contributing to the offense, but Nesmith and Giddey are clearly not SF.

To me clearly it is pretty much needed to have a 7' wingspan SF (particularly for defensive purpose).
So what is next? What is the conversation after this?

Okay let me get this straight...

1) You pretty much have now changed the definition from "7 feet" to "6 feet and 11 inches" to fit more under your criteria?
AND
2) For those "unmeasured" you used the highest possible estimate based on... "people"?

Either way to specific players

Risacher - nope. He has started 10/12 games and is clearly their starter going forward. You dont draft a guy #1 to be a bench player.
Martin - yes he plays SF, and he has for years.
Nesmith - has started every game for IND since Dec of 2023. He is clearly the starting 3.
Bridges - Sure call Brandon Miller the SF. He has a <7ft wingspan too. Bridges/Miller have started alongside Lamelo and Curry, Lamelo and Martin, Lamelo and Green, etc. They clearly both are their 3/4 men.
Johnson - My bad. They are starting Julian Champagnie and his 6'10" wingspan
Avdija - Yep they are - my bad.
Okoro - Dean Wade and his... 6'10 wingspan
Hart - Pretty much his entire career until this year.
Giddey - I did say PWill earlier. Lavine/White/Giddey/Williams/Vuc start. So they have <7ft at the 3 AND 4. Thanks for the help!
Mann - him or Norman. Take your pick.
Braun - He does play the 3 at times. Probably a bad example but Watson/Strawther are also sub 7ft

Like man, just give it up. You made a silly comment and are arguing the unarguable now. There is clearly no "majority of SFs having a 7 foot wingspan" like you said. You can certainly argue he is not strong enough, but he has average SF length for sure.

[Dexjackson]

Honestly love what Ochai has brought to the team. His shooting has been fantastic. He does whatever the team needs him. Even when he's clearly overmatched such as guarding Giannis or Lebron. Last year I could have cared less if he was traded in the offseason or in the future but not it would be nice to keep him.

[Tripod]

Dorian FInney Smith - not a starting SF, Doncic has over 7' wingspan, and Thompson is the
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

As said, there might be exception with shooters. Now looking at your list, some of them are listed as 7'

Now your list:
Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
---- Above are 7' on NBA wesbite standard, they rounded up from 6'11.1 to 7' ---
Doncic - No actual measurement, people have him at 7'2 as well
McDaniels - No actual measurement, people have him at 6'11.5, which is 7' in NBA website
PWill - No actual measurement, people have him at 7' as well
Tatum - No actual measurement
--- Controversy starting SF ---
Middleton - He is a starter, borderline shooter
Risacher - Dyson Daniels and De'Andre Hunter seem to be the starting SF
Martin - He plays SF?
Nesmith - They don't have better option, and clearly none started at SF for more than half of the games
Miles Bridges - SG, clearly Miller is the SF in their future plan
Keldon Johnson - Started 0 game
Derozan -
Avdija - Camara is the starting SF, I believe
Okoro - Dean Wade started more games than him this year
Hart - He plays SF?
Giddey - You listed Patrick Williams earlier, right?
Mann - He plays SF?
Brooks -
Braun - He plays SF?

From the list, I can only agree on Middleton and Brooks.
These are clearly playing out of their position: Nesmith, Giddey and DeRozan

To me the vat majority is 7', and a few borderline (rounded up to be 7' wingspan) SF are starters. And only Middleton being a sub 7' SF on a playoffs team, where he is more a shooter as well.

Brooks is the only exception, while you may argue DeRozan who is more contributing to the offense, but Nesmith and Giddey are clearly not SF.

To me clearly it is pretty much needed to have a 7' wingspan SF (particularly for defensive purpose).
So what is next? What is the conversation after this?

Okay let me get this straight...

1) You pretty much have now changed the definition from "7 feet" to "6 feet and 11 inches" to fit more under your criteria?
AND
2) For those "unmeasured" you used the highest possible estimate based on... "people"?

Either way to specific players

Risacher - nope. He has started 10/12 games and is clearly their starter going forward. You dont draft a guy #1 to be a bench player.
Martin - yes he plays SF, and he has for years.
Nesmith - has started every game for IND since Dec of 2023. He is clearly the starting 3.
Bridges - Sure call Brandon Miller the SF. He has a <7ft wingspan too. Bridges/Miller have started alongside Lamelo and Curry, Lamelo and Martin, Lamelo and Green, etc. They clearly both are their 3/4 men.
Johnson - My bad. They are starting Julian Champagnie and his 6'10" wingspan
Avdija - Yep they are - my bad.
Okoro - Dean Wade and his... 6'10 wingspan
Hart - Pretty much his entire career until this year.
Giddey - I did say PWill earlier. Lavine/White/Giddey/Williams/Vuc start. So they have <7ft at the 3 AND 4. Thanks for the help!
Mann - him or Norman. Take your pick.
Braun - He does play the 3 at times. Probably a bad example but Watson/Strawther are also sub 7ft

Like man, just give it up. You made a silly comment and are arguing the unarguable now. There is clearly no "majority of SFs having a 7 foot wingspan" like you said. You can certainly argue he is not strong enough, but he has average SF length for sure.

Some people just can't say "huh, guess I was wrong"

[Indeed]

Dorian FInney Smith - not a starting SF, Doncic has over 7' wingspan, and Thompson is the
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
Doncic
McDaniels
PWill
Tatum
Middleton
Risacher
Martin
Nesmith
Miles Bridges
Keldon Johnson
Derozan
Avdija
Okoro
Hart
Giddey
Mann
Brooks
Braun

All listed as a SF on that site I posted. All with wingspans south of 7 feet.

Fact remains - there is no requirement to have a 7 foot wingspan to be a SF.

As said, there might be exception with shooters. Now looking at your list, some of them are listed as 7'

Now your list:
Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
---- Above are 7' on NBA wesbite standard, they rounded up from 6'11.1 to 7' ---
Doncic - No actual measurement, people have him at 7'2 as well
McDaniels - No actual measurement, people have him at 6'11.5, which is 7' in NBA website
PWill - No actual measurement, people have him at 7' as well
Tatum - No actual measurement
--- Controversy starting SF ---
Middleton - He is a starter, borderline shooter
Risacher - Dyson Daniels and De'Andre Hunter seem to be the starting SF
Martin - He plays SF?
Nesmith - They don't have better option, and clearly none started at SF for more than half of the games
Miles Bridges - SG, clearly Miller is the SF in their future plan
Keldon Johnson - Started 0 game
Derozan -
Avdija - Camara is the starting SF, I believe
Okoro - Dean Wade started more games than him this year
Hart - He plays SF?
Giddey - You listed Patrick Williams earlier, right?
Mann - He plays SF?
Brooks -
Braun - He plays SF?

From the list, I can only agree on Middleton and Brooks.
These are clearly playing out of their position: Nesmith, Giddey and DeRozan

To me the vat majority is 7', and a few borderline (rounded up to be 7' wingspan) SF are starters. And only Middleton being a sub 7' SF on a playoffs team, where he is more a shooter as well.

Brooks is the only exception, while you may argue DeRozan who is more contributing to the offense, but Nesmith and Giddey are clearly not SF.

To me clearly it is pretty much needed to have a 7' wingspan SF (particularly for defensive purpose).
So what is next? What is the conversation after this?

Okay let me get this straight...

1) You pretty much have now changed the definition from "7 feet" to "6 feet and 11 inches" to fit more under your criteria?
AND
2) For those "unmeasured" you used the highest possible estimate based on... "people"?

Either way to specific players

Risacher - nope. He has started 10/12 games and is clearly their starter going forward. You dont draft a guy #1 to be a bench player.
Martin - yes he plays SF, and he has for years.
Nesmith - has started every game for IND since Dec of 2023. He is clearly the starting 3.
Bridges - Sure call Brandon Miller the SF. He has a <7ft wingspan too. Bridges/Miller have started alongside Lamelo and Curry, Lamelo and Martin, Lamelo and Green, etc. They clearly both are their 3/4 men.
Johnson - My bad. They are starting Julian Champagnie and his 6'10" wingspan
Avdija - Yep they are - my bad.
Okoro - Dean Wade and his... 6'10 wingspan
Hart - Pretty much his entire career until this year.
Giddey - I did say PWill earlier. Lavine/White/Giddey/Williams/Vuc start. So they have <7ft at the 3 AND 4. Thanks for the help!
Mann - him or Norman. Take your pick.
Braun - He does play the 3 at times. Probably a bad example but Watson/Strawther are also sub 7ft

Like man, just give it up. You made a silly comment and are arguing the unarguable now. There is clearly no "majority of SFs having a 7 foot wingspan" like you said. You can certainly argue he is not strong enough, but he has average SF length for sure.

I don't feel it is silly, it is pretty much needed for a defensive SF, unless they have a great offensive game for the coach to have them as the starter.
As long as you don't regret on this, such as suggesting a bigger size Walter who has similar wingspan to Agbaji when we have a similar size with longer wingspan, lol. To me, never hurt by saying lengthier the better.

[YogurtProducer]

As said, there might be exception with shooters. Now looking at your list, some of them are listed as 7'

Now your list:
Dorian FInney Smith
Jaylen Brown
Franz
Miller
Prince
Kuminga
PG13
---- Above are 7' on NBA wesbite standard, they rounded up from 6'11.1 to 7' ---
Doncic - No actual measurement, people have him at 7'2 as well
McDaniels - No actual measurement, people have him at 6'11.5, which is 7' in NBA website
PWill - No actual measurement, people have him at 7' as well
Tatum - No actual measurement
--- Controversy starting SF ---
Middleton - He is a starter, borderline shooter
Risacher - Dyson Daniels and De'Andre Hunter seem to be the starting SF
Martin - He plays SF?
Nesmith - They don't have better option, and clearly none started at SF for more than half of the games
Miles Bridges - SG, clearly Miller is the SF in their future plan
Keldon Johnson - Started 0 game
Derozan -
Avdija - Camara is the starting SF, I believe
Okoro - Dean Wade started more games than him this year
Hart - He plays SF?
Giddey - You listed Patrick Williams earlier, right?
Mann - He plays SF?
Brooks -
Braun - He plays SF?

From the list, I can only agree on Middleton and Brooks.
These are clearly playing out of their position: Nesmith, Giddey and DeRozan

To me the vat majority is 7', and a few borderline (rounded up to be 7' wingspan) SF are starters. And only Middleton being a sub 7' SF on a playoffs team, where he is more a shooter as well.

Brooks is the only exception, while you may argue DeRozan who is more contributing to the offense, but Nesmith and Giddey are clearly not SF.

To me clearly it is pretty much needed to have a 7' wingspan SF (particularly for defensive purpose).
So what is next? What is the conversation after this?

Okay let me get this straight...

1) You pretty much have now changed the definition from "7 feet" to "6 feet and 11 inches" to fit more under your criteria?
AND
2) For those "unmeasured" you used the highest possible estimate based on... "people"?

Either way to specific players

Risacher - nope. He has started 10/12 games and is clearly their starter going forward. You dont draft a guy #1 to be a bench player.
Martin - yes he plays SF, and he has for years.
Nesmith - has started every game for IND since Dec of 2023. He is clearly the starting 3.
Bridges - Sure call Brandon Miller the SF. He has a <7ft wingspan too. Bridges/Miller have started alongside Lamelo and Curry, Lamelo and Martin, Lamelo and Green, etc. They clearly both are their 3/4 men.
Johnson - My bad. They are starting Julian Champagnie and his 6'10" wingspan
Avdija - Yep they are - my bad.
Okoro - Dean Wade and his... 6'10 wingspan
Hart - Pretty much his entire career until this year.
Giddey - I did say PWill earlier. Lavine/White/Giddey/Williams/Vuc start. So they have <7ft at the 3 AND 4. Thanks for the help!
Mann - him or Norman. Take your pick.
Braun - He does play the 3 at times. Probably a bad example but Watson/Strawther are also sub 7ft

Like man, just give it up. You made a silly comment and are arguing the unarguable now. There is clearly no "majority of SFs having a 7 foot wingspan" like you said. You can certainly argue he is not strong enough, but he has average SF length for sure.

I don't feel it is silly, it is pretty much needed for a defensive SF, unless they have a great offensive game for the coach to have them as the starter.
As long as you don't regret on this, such as suggesting a bigger size Walter who has similar wingspan to Agbaji when we have a similar size with longer wingspan, lol. To me, never hurt by saying lengthier the better.

I completely agree the lengthier the better. However, that was not the discussion.

I have no clue what your Walter sentence is even attempting to say. Agbaji has a bigger span than JWK though FWIW.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

If you could flip him into a late first, you take it and run. Just think about it, what position does he play? SF? He's a below average defender. SG? Huge backlog. That leaves PG, he's above average there.

He isn’t a Below average defender

So we take a late first so what? Hopefully he becomes as good as Agbaji?

This guy is a clear troll. Every fan base has people want to trade everyone for pics in hopes that they may become as good as the people that they trade.

I bet he’s like 21 years old. He probably means well.

Raptors fans use to hype up Joey Graham too. A 12 game sample size wont hold up.

[Indeed]

Okay let me get this straight...

1) You pretty much have now changed the definition from "7 feet" to "6 feet and 11 inches" to fit more under your criteria?
AND
2) For those "unmeasured" you used the highest possible estimate based on... "people"?

Either way to specific players

Risacher - nope. He has started 10/12 games and is clearly their starter going forward. You dont draft a guy #1 to be a bench player.
Martin - yes he plays SF, and he has for years.
Nesmith - has started every game for IND since Dec of 2023. He is clearly the starting 3.
Bridges - Sure call Brandon Miller the SF. He has a <7ft wingspan too. Bridges/Miller have started alongside Lamelo and Curry, Lamelo and Martin, Lamelo and Green, etc. They clearly both are their 3/4 men.
Johnson - My bad. They are starting Julian Champagnie and his 6'10" wingspan
Avdija - Yep they are - my bad.
Okoro - Dean Wade and his... 6'10 wingspan
Hart - Pretty much his entire career until this year.
Giddey - I did say PWill earlier. Lavine/White/Giddey/Williams/Vuc start. So they have <7ft at the 3 AND 4. Thanks for the help!
Mann - him or Norman. Take your pick.
Braun - He does play the 3 at times. Probably a bad example but Watson/Strawther are also sub 7ft

Like man, just give it up. You made a silly comment and are arguing the unarguable now. There is clearly no "majority of SFs having a 7 foot wingspan" like you said. You can certainly argue he is not strong enough, but he has average SF length for sure.

I don't feel it is silly, it is pretty much needed for a defensive SF, unless they have a great offensive game for the coach to have them as the starter.
As long as you don't regret on this, such as suggesting a bigger size Walter who has similar wingspan to Agbaji when we have a similar size with longer wingspan, lol. To me, never hurt by saying lengthier the better.

I completely agree the lengthier the better. However, that was not the discussion.

I have no clue what your Walter sentence is even attempting to say. Agbaji has a bigger span than JWK though FWIW.

Both Agbaji and Walter measured to be 6'10 wingspan, unless by your definition, Agbaji can be a starting SF wingspan, while Walter cannot? Walter believe to be bigger.

Anyway, I don't think Agbaji has the minimum starting SF wingspan from a defensive stand point. Bigger and more skillful player may able to spin over him even he has the strength.

[Basketball_Jones]

I just like how he plays. Always looking for someone else’s better shot over his. It’s no wonder he looked bad in summer league where ball hogs tend to dominate.

[Thaddy]

I would start him over Dick. Dick needs to be an aggressive gunner off the bench similar to Boucher. I want to see him hog the ball and jack up any decent looks. That's harder to do while you're around Barnes, IQ, and Barrett. Dick as a 4th option isn't being played to his strengths.

[ontnut]

I can't believe we have multiple pages and hours of research dedicated to the major difference between 1-2 inches in length.

[LoveMyRaps]

Advanced stats look pretty good - 1.3 BPM, .114 WS/48, 131ORTG!!!!

His advanced numbers are even better than Gradey.