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OhCanada wrote:Heres some interesting stats on RJ Barrett that you guys might not know which suggest he is not just a high usage chucker like people are saying.
95% of his 3's are assisted.
He improved his long two point jumpshots from about 30% to about 50% and despite that only 6% of his shots are long 2's. Thats very effecient modern NBA stuff.
LoveMyRaps wrote:I think it'll be a priority for this FO to acquire a young big in exchange for one of our guards. Gotta bolster our front court.
Dick for Lively or Kessler
Kessler seems to be close with Ingram, Barnes, etc. I can definitely see the Raps making a trade for him.
LoveMyRaps wrote:I think it'll be a priority for this FO to acquire a young big in exchange for one of our guards. Gotta bolster our front court.
Dick for Lively or Kessler
Kessler seems to be close with Ingram, Barnes, etc. I can definitely see the Raps making a trade for him.
Thaddy wrote:OhCanada wrote:Heres some interesting stats on RJ Barrett that you guys might not know which suggest he is not just a high usage chucker like people are saying.
95% of his 3's are assisted.
He improved his long two point jumpshots from about 30% to about 50% and despite that only 6% of his shots are long 2's. Thats very effecient modern NBA stuff.
We need to get someone who can create perimeter shots on his own using pick and rolls with Barnes and Poeltl. Removing RJ would be addition by subtraction, especially if he's replaced by someone like Agbaji in the starting line up.
RJ for Gafford and Washington, some kind of first round pick.
Poeltl / Gafford / Maluach
Barnes / Washington
Ingram / Mogbo
Agbaji / Dick / Walter
IQ / Shead
I would sell Washington and Gafford at the deadline next year similar to Mitchell to get some additional 2nd round picks so we can make a consolidation trade later.
Duffman100 wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:I think it'll be a priority for this FO to acquire a young big in exchange for one of our guards. Gotta bolster our front court.
Dick for Lively or Kessler
Kessler seems to be close with Ingram, Barnes, etc. I can definitely see the Raps making a trade for him.
If we have both poeltl and Kessler on this team, I'll chuckle
LoveMyRaps wrote:Duffman100 wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:I think it'll be a priority for this FO to acquire a young big in exchange for one of our guards. Gotta bolster our front court.
Dick for Lively or Kessler
Kessler seems to be close with Ingram, Barnes, etc. I can definitely see the Raps making a trade for him.
If we have both poeltl and Kessler on this team, I'll chuckle
Why? That'd be one of the best center duos in the league.
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Kessler seems to be close with Ingram, Barnes, etc. I can definitely see the Raps making a trade for him.
CazOnReal wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:
Kessler seems to be close with Ingram, Barnes, etc. I can definitely see the Raps making a trade for him.
Based on what?
Thaddy wrote:OhCanada wrote:Heres some interesting stats on RJ Barrett that you guys might not know which suggest he is not just a high usage chucker like people are saying.
95% of his 3's are assisted.
He improved his long two point jumpshots from about 30% to about 50% and despite that only 6% of his shots are long 2's. Thats very effecient modern NBA stuff.
We need to get someone who can create perimeter shots on his own using pick and rolls with Barnes and Poeltl. Removing RJ would be addition by subtraction, especially if he's replaced by someone like Agbaji in the starting line up.
RJ for Gafford and Washington, some kind of first round pick.
Poeltl / Gafford / Maluach
Barnes / Washington
Ingram / Mogbo
Agbaji / Dick / Walter
IQ / Shead
I would sell Washington and Gafford at the deadline next year similar to Mitchell to get some additional 2nd round picks so we can make a consolidation trade later.
ConSarnit wrote:OhCanada wrote:Heres some interesting stats on RJ Barrett that you guys might not know which suggest he is not just a high usage chucker like people are saying.
95% of his 3's are assisted.
He improved his long two point jumpshots from about 30% to about 50% and despite that only 6% of his shots are long 2's. Thats very effecient modern NBA stuff.
Where are you seeing these numbers? From 16ft-3pt RJ shot 41.7% this year on 1% of his shot volume (12 total attempts).
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Post game interactions
Ingram and Kessler were also teammates.
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My version of a successful conservative offseason
Gradey, Ochai, 7 and Lakers 2026 SRP to Dallas for Lively, Martin and pick 11.
CazOnReal wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My version of a successful conservative offseason
Gradey, Ochai, 7 and Lakers 2026 SRP to Dallas for Lively, Martin and pick 11.
So 3 lottery picks (Two former but same thing) including our pick this year and a 2nd for...2 lottery picks, one former, one worse than the one we get out of this year's draft and a mediocre roleplayer on an eh contract.
Like, seriously question: What does Caleb Martin do better now than Ochai Agbaji?
Some of you really reinforce how glad I am that Masai and Bobby are in charge and not one of you. I'm not against a trade for Lively but this isn't it.
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:CazOnReal wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:My version of a successful conservative offseason
Gradey, Ochai, 7 and Lakers 2026 SRP to Dallas for Lively, Martin and pick 11.
So 3 lottery picks (Two former but same thing) including our pick this year and a 2nd for...2 lottery picks, one former, one worse than the one we get out of this year's draft and a mediocre roleplayer on an eh contract.
Like, seriously question: What does Caleb Martin do better now than Ochai Agbaji?
Some of you really reinforce how glad I am that Masai and Bobby are in charge and not one of you. I'm not against a trade for Lively but this isn't it.
Yeah when you make a completely reductive argument it will of course sound ridiculous.
Gradey being a former lottery pick means nothing when by all advanced metrics he’s been worse than mediocre and will be coming off injury. Ochai has improved greatly but is still only a bench player. We have a logjam at guard and Gradey has shown he can’t play at the wing defensively. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to think Walter has shown more and has a higher ceiling than Gradey.
Lively is a much more productive player and is also on a rookie deal. He also plays a position of need and is a starter quality player. His upside and contract would be the reason for extra pick capital. There is a gap between Gradey and Lively. It isn’t “lottery pick for lottery pick”. Martin is salary filler but also a veteran player who can play so we don’t have a bench full of guys in their first years of the NBA.
Contextually after around pick 5 the player tiers are more fluid and larger. I wouldn’t mind any of the consensus mocked players from pick 7-11 if the Raptors don’t jump into the top 4.
The point of the trade is to solve the logjam at guard, collect a cheap positive asset at a position of need and not drop too far back from their current draft position to get someone from within the draft tier they are in.
You can disagree but don’t quote me with snarky condescension
billy_hoyle wrote:UnbelievablyRAW wrote:CazOnReal wrote:
So 3 lottery picks (Two former but same thing) including our pick this year and a 2nd for...2 lottery picks, one former, one worse than the one we get out of this year's draft and a mediocre roleplayer on an eh contract.
Like, seriously question: What does Caleb Martin do better now than Ochai Agbaji?
Some of you really reinforce how glad I am that Masai and Bobby are in charge and not one of you. I'm not against a trade for Lively but this isn't it.
Yeah when you make a completely reductive argument it will of course sound ridiculous.
Gradey being a former lottery pick means nothing when by all advanced metrics he’s been worse than mediocre and will be coming off injury. Ochai has improved greatly but is still only a bench player. We have a logjam at guard and Gradey has shown he can’t play at the wing defensively. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to think Walter has shown more and has a higher ceiling than Gradey.
Lively is a much more productive player and is also on a rookie deal. He also plays a position of need and is a starter quality player. His upside and contract would be the reason for extra pick capital. There is a gap between Gradey and Lively. It isn’t “lottery pick for lottery pick”. Martin is salary filler but also a veteran player who can play so we don’t have a bench full of guys in their first years of the NBA.
Contextually after around pick 5 the player tiers are more fluid and larger. I wouldn’t mind any of the consensus mocked players from pick 7-11 if the Raptors don’t jump into the top 4.
The point of the trade is to solve the logjam at guard, collect a cheap positive asset at a position of need and not drop too far back from their current draft position to get someone from within the draft tier they are in.
You can disagree but don’t quote me with snarky condescension
I agree with the other poster. Terrible trade value.
Just keep Dick and Ochai and draft Maluach. Bryant doesn't factor into your 10 man depth list.
If you want Bryant, trade Dick to Orlando for the 16th pick.
You come out an Ochai asset ahead in the aggregate (I consider Maluach and Lively to be roughly equivalent value).
CazOnReal wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:
Post game interactions
Ingram and Kessler were also teammates.
Uh
Not in college nor the NBA so unless it was in the Olympics or FIBA or something i'm forgetting then this is just straight up false. And even if it was in one of those, I put zero stock into that swaying things regarding whether we should go after an offensively-inept 5 with limited upside when that involves dealing with Danny Ainge who is notorious for being difficult to negotiate with.