2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 9

[DreamTeam09]

Measurements:
Wiggins: 6'7.50 w/o shoes, 7'0.0 wingspan, 8'11 standing reach
A Bailey: 6'7.50 w/o shoes, 7'0.5 wingspan, 8'11 standing reach

Draft Year:
Wiggins: 32.8 MIN, 17.1 PPG, 5.9 REB, 1.5 AST (2.3 TO), 1.2 STL, 1.0 BLK, .448 FG, .341 3PT, .775 FT, .563 TS, 26.3 USG, 8.3 BPM
A Bailey: 33.3 MIN, 17.6 PPG, 7.2 REB, 1.3 AST (2.0 TO), 1.0 STL, 1.3 BLK, .460 FG, .346 3PT, .692 FT, .536 TS, 27.5 USG, 4.5 BPM


HumbleRen might have cracked the code.

Wiggins came in with some defensive chops tho, he was supposed to be a future 2way player, I haven't heard much about Bailey on the defensive end, other than that he might not be as bad as ppl believe.
Offensively Ace has a deeper bag - the numbers do show a similarity tho

[WuTang_OG]

wolf breakdown by vecenie and russilo .. interesting listen
vecenie said he's been shooting the lights out in workouts
if raps truly want to go 5 out, he may be the guy if they trade back.

https://youtu.be/U0rf6UEW6ts?t=3144

[Jim Todd Jr.]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/siegels-scoop-how-kevin-durant-trade-saga-impacts-draft-free-agency-rumors

Been constant that we are targeting a big

What does Beringer bring that Chomche doesn't?

What does Chomche bring? He was like the 58th pick and didnt sniff the rotation and probably wont next year. His feet are too slow.

[PushDaRock]

Measurements:
Wiggins: 6'7.50 w/o shoes, 7'0.0 wingspan, 8'11 standing reach
A Bailey: 6'7.50 w/o shoes, 7'0.5 wingspan, 8'11 standing reach

Draft Year:
Wiggins: 32.8 MIN, 17.1 PPG, 5.9 REB, 1.5 AST (2.3 TO), 1.2 STL, 1.0 BLK, .448 FG, .341 3PT, .775 FT, .563 TS, 26.3 USG, 8.3 BPM
A Bailey: 33.3 MIN, 17.6 PPG, 7.2 REB, 1.3 AST (2.0 TO), 1.0 STL, 1.3 BLK, .460 FG, .346 3PT, .692 FT, .536 TS, 27.5 USG, 4.5 BPM


HumbleRen might have cracked the code.

Wiggins came in with some defensive chops tho, he was supposed to be a future 2way player, I haven't heard much about Bailey on the defensive end, other than that he might not be as bad as ppl believe.
Offensively Ace has a deeper bag - the numbers do show a similarity tho

They aren't really all that similar. Wiggins is a special level athlete, Ace is just a bit above average. Wiggins could also get to the rim basically at will, Ace struggles to get there at all.

[earthtone]

Been constant that we are targeting a big

What does Beringer bring that Chomche doesn't?

What does Chomche bring? He was like the 58th pick and didnt sniff the rotation and probably wont next year. His feet are too slow.

Chomche and Beringer are in the same tier of prospects imo. Beringer is slightly taller/longer, but Chomche’s shooting and playmaking are more advanced.

Admittedly haven’t watched a ton of Beringer, but I watched most if not all of Chomche’s G-League minutes this year and was extremely impressed. If he was draft eligible this year he’d be firmly in the Top 20 after what he showed with the 905

[AkelaLoneWolf]

wolf breakdown by vecenie and russilo .. interesting listen
vecenie said he's been shooting the lights out in workouts
if raps truly want to go 5 out, he may be the guy if they trade back.

https://youtu.be/U0rf6UEW6ts?t=3144

how does wolf compare to kalkbrenner

[Jim Todd Jr.]

What does Beringer bring that Chomche doesn't?

What does Chomche bring? He was like the 58th pick and didnt sniff the rotation and probably wont next year. His feet are too slow.

Chomche and Beringer are in the same tier of prospects imo. Beringer is slightly taller/longer, but Chomche’s shooting and playmaking are more advanced.

Admittedly haven’t watched a ton of Beringer, but I watched most if not all of Chomche’s G-League minutes this year and was extremely impressed. If he was draft eligible this year he’d be firmly in the Top 20 after what he showed with the 905

strongly disagree

its easy to be biased towards your teams projects

he was the second to last pick in a bad draft, beringer could be a lotto pick

[earthtone]

What does Chomche bring? He was like the 58th pick and didnt sniff the rotation and probably wont next year. His feet are too slow.

Chomche and Beringer are in the same tier of prospects imo. Beringer is slightly taller/longer, but Chomche’s shooting and playmaking are more advanced.

Admittedly haven’t watched a ton of Beringer, but I watched most if not all of Chomche’s G-League minutes this year and was extremely impressed. If he was draft eligible this year he’d be firmly in the Top 20 after what he showed with the 905

strongly disagree

its easy to be biased towards your teams projects

he was the second to last pick in a bad draft, beringer could be a lotto pick

Beringer & Chomche are both 6'10"+ barefoot with 7'4" wingspans, super athletic, super raw with great defensive instincts. Beringer is ranked to go higher because he's playing in Europe while Chomche was the first player ever selected from the Basketball Africa League. I think in the future it'll be more common for guys to go directly through to Academy > BAL > NBA route, but Chomche was the first one to do it so his draft stock came with a question mark.

He was even getting mocked in the late first round on some of the more unorthodox boards out there. I even lost money betting he'd be a 1st rounder, I thought some team would take a gamble on him.

But my opinion based purely off tape as someone who's spent way too much time watching this draft class, Chomche with his 905 tape would definitely be a Top 20 pick if not sneaking into late lotto this year. Masai even said he was getting close to being one of the best defenders in the G-League before his injury and called him the sleeping giant of the 2024 class.

If you look past the draft position, he's a really good prospect.

[nivisi9]

What does Chomche bring? He was like the 58th pick and didnt sniff the rotation and probably wont next year. His feet are too slow.

Chomche and Beringer are in the same tier of prospects imo. Beringer is slightly taller/longer, but Chomche’s shooting and playmaking are more advanced.

Admittedly haven’t watched a ton of Beringer, but I watched most if not all of Chomche’s G-League minutes this year and was extremely impressed. If he was draft eligible this year he’d be firmly in the Top 20 after what he showed with the 905

strongly disagree

its easy to be biased towards your teams projects

he was the second to last pick in a bad draft, beringer could be a lotto pick

I think better to focus less on his draft slot and more on his ability.

For someone who arguably could be seen as complete mystery/raw to a "can he ever play at NBA level?" prospect...

he was incredibly impressive on defense, he has elite defensive instincts + shot blocking

He's also insanely mobile/fluid/athletic so I dont know where youre getting mobility concerns? the way he could move as a Center on film was freaky.

Also he just turned 18 and barely has played any organized ball in his life I dont think the expectation was for him to Crack the rotation he was seen as raw as hell/ to live in Gleague last yr.. wasnt that the plan?

Saying all that im not sure if he 100% ever has an NBA future, and didn't he like just tear his MCL or something?

That could be a massive concern / career killer perhaps?

[Johnston]

Chomche and Beringer are in the same tier of prospects imo. Beringer is slightly taller/longer, but Chomche’s shooting and playmaking are more advanced.

Admittedly haven’t watched a ton of Beringer, but I watched most if not all of Chomche’s G-League minutes this year and was extremely impressed. If he was draft eligible this year he’d be firmly in the Top 20 after what he showed with the 905

strongly disagree

its easy to be biased towards your teams projects

he was the second to last pick in a bad draft, beringer could be a lotto pick

Beringer & Chomche are both 6'10"+ barefoot with 7'4" wingspans, super athletic, super raw with great defensive instincts. Beringer is ranked to go higher because he's playing in Europe while Chomche was the first player ever selected from the Basketball Africa League. I think in the future it'll be more common for guys to go directly through to Academy > BAL > NBA route, but Chomche was the first one to do it so his draft stock came with a question mark.

He was even getting mocked in the late first round on some of the more unorthodox boards out there. I even lost money betting he'd be a 1st rounder, I thought some team would take a gamble on him.

But my opinion based purely off tape as someone who's spent way too much time watching this draft class, Chomche with his 905 tape would definitely be a Top 20 pick if not sneaking into late lotto this year. Masai even said he was getting close to being one of the best defenders in the G-League before his injury and called him the sleeping giant of the 2024 class.

If you look past the draft position, he's a really good prospect.

Chomche literally looks like a baby deer running around the court. Only reason he was even drafted was because of who our GM is and if I remember correctly we were basically gifted him. I haven't seen anything like from him that makes me think he's an NBA player so far.

[RoteSchroder]

Chomche and Beringer are in the same tier of prospects imo. Beringer is slightly taller/longer, but Chomche’s shooting and playmaking are more advanced.

Admittedly haven’t watched a ton of Beringer, but I watched most if not all of Chomche’s G-League minutes this year and was extremely impressed. If he was draft eligible this year he’d be firmly in the Top 20 after what he showed with the 905

strongly disagree

its easy to be biased towards your teams projects

he was the second to last pick in a bad draft, beringer could be a lotto pick

I think better to focus less on his draft slot and more on his ability.

For someone who arguably could be seen as complete mystery/raw to a "can he ever play at NBA level?" prospect...

he was incredibly impressive on defense, he has elite defensive instincts + shot blocking

He's also insanely mobile/fluid/athletic so I dont know where youre getting mobility concerns? the way he could move as a Center on film was freaky.

Also he just turned 18 and barely has played any organized ball in his life I dont think the expectation was for him to Crack the rotation he was seen as raw as hell/ to live in Gleague last yr.. wasnt that the plan?

Saying all that im not sure if he 100% ever has an NBA future, and didn't he like just tear his MCL or something?

That could be a massive concern / career killer perhaps?

He gets burned on the perimeter a lot. Had the same lane agility as Hansen Yang. He's got very poor on court awareness and b-ball instincts.

He's just an athlete, maybe not well-suited for b-ball.

[WuTang_OG]

Based on what Fischer said, Chicago could move up to 9 from 12

I'm guessing they want Derik Queen

https://youtu.be/iMEzpSo6UXQ?t=926

[SpezNc]

Based on what Fischer said, Chicago could move up to 9 from 12

I'm guessing they want Derik Queen

https://youtu.be/iMEzpSo6UXQ?t=926

What would be the price by Chicago for dropping down ?

A future protected top18 1st pick ? Two futures seconds rounders? Pick #45 plus a future 2nd? A swap of player ?

Let’s say it’s 9 for 12 plus a future second rounder and the organization can still draft the player they like at 12.

Without doing any further move , ducking the tax would be easier drafting at 12 compare to 9.

I am intrigued by the previous rumours/ speculative rumours of RJ+9 for Cam Johnson and 19

[Jim Todd Jr.]

strongly disagree

its easy to be biased towards your teams projects

he was the second to last pick in a bad draft, beringer could be a lotto pick

I think better to focus less on his draft slot and more on his ability.

For someone who arguably could be seen as complete mystery/raw to a "can he ever play at NBA level?" prospect...

he was incredibly impressive on defense, he has elite defensive instincts + shot blocking

He's also insanely mobile/fluid/athletic so I dont know where youre getting mobility concerns? the way he could move as a Center on film was freaky.

Also he just turned 18 and barely has played any organized ball in his life I dont think the expectation was for him to Crack the rotation he was seen as raw as hell/ to live in Gleague last yr.. wasnt that the plan?

Saying all that im not sure if he 100% ever has an NBA future, and didn't he like just tear his MCL or something?

That could be a massive concern / career killer perhaps?

He gets burned on the perimeter a lot. Had the same lane agility as Hansen Yang. He's got very poor on court awareness and b-ball instincts.

He's just an athlete, maybe not well-suited for b-ball.

This.

Great athlete, but slow reaction time, slow first step on defense, slow decision maker.

Not saying he doesnt have a chance, but comparing him to a lotto pick in a stronger draft is tough for me.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Based on what Fischer said, Chicago could move up to 9 from 12

I'm guessing they want Derik Queen

https://youtu.be/iMEzpSo6UXQ?t=926

Ochai + 9 for Lonzo + 12?

[Tor_Raps]

Based on what Fischer said, Chicago could move up to 9 from 12

I'm guessing they want Derik Queen

https://youtu.be/iMEzpSo6UXQ?t=926

Ochai + 9 for Lonzo + 12?

Ochai is better than Lonzo...

[LoveMyRaps]

Based on what Fischer said, Chicago could move up to 9 from 12

I'm guessing they want Derik Queen

https://youtu.be/iMEzpSo6UXQ?t=926

Ochai + 9 for Lonzo + 12?

Ban

[BoyzNTheHood]

Based on what Fischer said, Chicago could move up to 9 from 12

I'm guessing they want Derik Queen

https://youtu.be/iMEzpSo6UXQ?t=926

Ochai + 9 for Lonzo + 12?

Ban

[WuTang_OG]

come to utah
we draft busts

Watch on YouTube

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[Yallbecrazy]

come to utah
we draft busts

Watch on YouTube

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They got Kessler and Filipowski recently.