Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jeremy Lamb (HOU)

[fredericklove]

As of right now, he is a 0-dimensional player.

He hasn't shown he can shoot a high percentage against NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can handle the ball against or get the step on NBA players.
He hasn't shown he can defend period. His body is frail and he's not particularly fast.

Doesn't this almost apply to every prospect because they haven't shown anything against an NBA player? On that alone, Anthony Davis is a 0-dimensional player too based on what you said...

Yes.

I was saying that because everyone is taking for granted that Lamb will be more than a 1-dimensional player. Like everyone including Anthony Davis (skinny, questionable offense), his bust potential is plenty high. Especially when included in his gifts are things like shooting over college defenders, which won't necessarily translate to the NBA. He's not a pure athlete.

I'm pretty high on Lamb, and our pick is between him and Lillard in my mind. But you have to be aware of his downsides too. Until he proves otherwise, he's a mediocre off-the-bench shooter.

I'm not sure what legit arguments these are considering when ...wait, wait, do you know what 1-dimensional player means? One that can only do one type of thing. Lamb can shoot off the dribble, uses screens to get his shots off especially utilizes good smart hard back cut or roll around the screen hard, curl it off hard, to get all his shots. On top of that, he's a top notch quick catch and shoot jumper, and also on TOP of that, he's got a skilled face up game because he has a pretty solid handle that he can use to break down his defenders especially from getting the ball low, take what his defenders give him, uses left-or-right shift dribbles (crossover dribble), hesitation w/ good change of pace move. These are part of his skillsets, if you're just gonna use "he can only do that against college players' you can apply that quote to all prospects in this draft. Why else scouts talk about what they can do, emphasize on their skillset???

I'm not sure how high you are on lamb because everything you said about his flaws are not on top of his weakness list. Medicore off the bench shooter is what you'll describe him especially he has a skillset that most scouts praise, so again, not sure if you're serious.

[Marlo Stanfield]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

First look at my sig. Then realize that he's a special talent but not yet a special player. Work, work, and uhhh..... more work is what makes you a special player.

[Fenris-77]

I'm pretty high on Lamb, and our pick is between him and Lillard in my mind. But you have to be aware of his downsides too.

This pretty much sums up my opinion of this entire thread.

Until he proves otherwise, he's a mediocre off-the-bench shooter.

This is a little harsh. At worst Lamb is a Nick Young guy who can come in off the bench and score points in bunches. There's nothing mediocre about his mid-range game and that translates pretty fully to the NBA. My problem with Lamb is that his downside may limit him from being much more than Nick Young with defense. That said, Nick young with defense isn't really a mediocre bench player.

[fredericklove]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

What's your bright insights on Lamb? I'd love to hear you use that ghetto talk to break it down. Oh yeah, fredick, personally attack my name

[Undefeated]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

No one is saying he's a special player yet. If he was, then he'd be the unanimous first overall pick. I don't know if you realize it, but Lamb does have some talent and is very skilled which is a fact.

[fredericklove]

I'm not sure if people realize this, but Jeremy Lamb wasn't even a top 100 recruit in his class per ESPN. So, to see a prospect who didn't start on his HS team until his junior year then going on to play for a national championship team as a second fiddle being a freshman to becoming a potential lotto pick. What does that even say about Lamb's work ethic to improve?

I think he does lack work ethic, its the absence of work ethic to improve his interview skills and he has no heart/drive/desire to change his facial look, not taking care of his eyes, and his facial reactions. Like I think he needs a proper medical training on how to change his lazy eye/slowness habit?

[The Chucker]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

What's your bright insights on Lamb? I'd love to hear you use that ghetto talk to break it down. Oh yeah, fredick, personally attack my name

guy got no courtvision
the biggest pus*sy cuz he he afraid to drive
so skinny
always jacking up shots
cant play defense
NO SWAGGER

need i explain more bruh?

[JamesNaismith]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

What's your bright insights on Lamb? I'd love to hear you use that ghetto talk to break it down. Oh yeah, fredick, personally attack my name

guy got no courtvision
the biggest pus*sy cuz he he afraid to drive
so skinny
always jacking up shots
cant play defense
NO SWAGGER

need i explain more bruh?

Nothing you stated was true (aside from being skinny) nor was it english.

Gekzz da fuq owwt!!

[Marlo Stanfield]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

What's your bright insights on Lamb? I'd love to hear you use that ghetto talk to break it down. Oh yeah, fredick, personally attack my name

guy got no courtvision

Exaggeration. He does have vision, just not where it needs to be.

the biggest pus*sy cuz he he afraid to drive

Yes he takes a lot of jumpers, and still almost shoots 50%. So, what's your point?

so skinny

Kevin Durant says wussup.

always jacking up shots

Shot 48%, so.... fail.

cant play defense

Forces opponents to shoot jumpers 70% of the time.
Spot up shooters make 31% against him.
Off the dribble shooters make 29% against him.

NO SWAGGER

Google: Lambshake

need i explain more bruh?

Need I explain more?

[fredericklove]

realk talk dem cats fredicklove marlo undefeated yall gotta stop nuthugging lamb. he aint nothing special

What's your bright insights on Lamb? I'd love to hear you use that ghetto talk to break it down. Oh yeah, fredick, personally attack my name

guy got no courtvision
the biggest pus*sy cuz he he afraid to drive
so skinny
always jacking up shots
cant play defense
NO SWAGGER

need i explain more bruh?

guy got no courtvision - no courtvision, this part is his weakness but in a right system he'll learn to play within team oriented system especially in Casey's p&r/cut/screen system where he has to learn to break down the defender then drive and kick, or coming off the screen attracting secondary defender, kick it to an open shooter, or swing the ball around to corner shooters etc. He's not a phenomenal passer by numbers which is hard to show in college considering playing alongside w/ two point guards on the same floor, again, he's capable passer, not one who flashes but he's not hopeless at it.

the biggest pus*sy cuz he he afraid to drive - word like this is enough to draw mod's attention but this is area he's shy away from and needs to improve on. Despite his lack of aggressiveness to drive, he's still shooting 60% 2P, you'd worry if he can't shoot well beyond the perimeter and can't drive same time but he can shoot it off anytime. Its just a matter of time he starts learning to be more aggressive as his body starts to develop.

so skinny - like i said, he's shown the improvement in terms of his muscle tone during the combine, its an indication that he's working hard to get bigger, his weight is a problem so its a matter of time he works on adding 12-15 pounds because most players usually add weight in the NBA.

always jacking up shots - he plays SF, not his natural SG position most of the time and especially playing along side w/ two PGs that are ball-dominant, which all the plays are designed for him to be an off-ball shooter, if thats the case of course he'll jack up many. A guy that plays out of position and is known for being a good shooter off the dribble/good mid-range game, its his game and for a guy who jacks up way too much he's still shooting quite efficient in 2P(60%), 3PT attempts at college level is common, look at a whole lot of other college prospects they attempt a whole lot of 3s

cant play defense - who says he can't play defense, scouts have talked about his defensive potential and awareness due to his length that allows him bother the passing lane.

NO SWAGGER - If a guy got a silky smooth game, I don't see how not SWAG that is.

[Left Side Drive]

Just draft this man please Colangelo.

[Waylon Mercy]

I just had to show this again

Clean up aisle 4.....We have jizz on the floor

[dballislife]

is lamb a little too similar to demar? they both work off the ball, cut/curl, take the J lamb probably better 3 pointer but demar better mid range, takes it strong with dribble but not with herky-jerky handles and crosses and breakdown penetrations...demar is more athletic and stronger too, lamb is longer.....this is why i like rivers just a tad more, he adds different facets.....remember how important JJ barea was breaking down defenses and taking the ball inside, and jason terry with his unconscious shooting...i think thats what rivers has, can be huge spark off bench and maybe great starter in prime...i think its down to lamb and rivers, and i wouldn't mind either...if we didn't have demar, lamb is guy for sure

[fredericklove]

is lamb a little too similar to demar? they both work off the ball, cut/curl, take the J lamb probably better 3 pointer but demar better mid range, takes it strong with dribble but not with herky-jerky handles and crosses and breakdown penetrations...demar is more athletic and stronger too, lamb is longer.....this is why i like rivers just a tad more, he adds different facets.....remember how important JJ barea was breaking down defenses and taking the ball inside, and jason terry with his unconscious shooting...i think thats what rivers has, can be huge spark off bench and maybe great starter in prime...i think its down to lamb and rivers, and i wouldn't mind either...if we didn't have demar, lamb is guy for sure

I see Lamb having more defensive potential (e.g. picking pockets) and more versatile-oriented than Demar in areas of passing and rebounding. Rivers' PnR ability to break down his defender is tremendous however its his finishing ability that I worry about because he's not good at absorbing contact nor a crafty finisher, he's more of a floater type guy which is same as Lamb but Lamb has the better length to get above the rim. Lamb has that handle which will do a whole lot for himself. It'll get him alot of touches. While Demar is basically better off-ball than having the ball in his hand to initiate play for himself, Lamb can do equally well off-ball (similarity) and iso, that iso ability will attract defenders thus spreading the floor more for everyone. Nevertheless, Lamb's a better 3 point threat too.

[Lippo]

If the player you guys covet isn't there, any chance you would do a trade down with the bucks.

Ellis/Udrih/12

for

DeRozan/Calderone/A.Johnson/8

[JamesNaismith]

If the player you guys covet isn't there, any chance you would do a trade down with the bucks.

Ellis/Udrih/12

for

DeRozan/Calderone/A.Johnson/8

If we traded down it would be to get Jennings and keep DeRozan.

[Anatomize]

Lippo I'm assuming you're that annoying guy in fantasy who keeps sending **** trades, gets lambasted on the messageboard, then continues sending those same deals.

[DarrylFlicking]

If the player you guys covet isn't there, any chance you would do a trade down with the bucks.

Ellis/Udrih/12

for

DeRozan/Calderone/A.Johnson/8

Monta Ellis is one of my 10 favorite players in the league, so yes!

[sanity]

Lamb's defensive potential is overrated. He didn't dominate on the defensive end in the Big East, why would that suddenly translate to the NBA---especially taking into consideration his lack of aggressiveness on either end of the floor? The potential *is* there, but its tough to justify him meeting it.

He's a passive-by-nature player who doesn't shoot well past the mid-range (where he is exceptional). Between having both him and DeRozan on the same team, I just don't see a recipe for success. He has the size, wingspan and athleticism everyone craves for at the 2, but you're asking a player to completely alter his approach to the game to meet a certain potential he's never came close to tapping at the college level. I'd take my chances elsewhere

[Undefeated]

Yet various scouts say he was a good defender. Hmm sure is overrated